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  1. Member turk690's Avatar
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    People can still rip and copy DVDs even of material uniquely your own, CSS notwithstanding. But will they be able to watch said DVD easily on their set-tops? I have a way to make it harder, or at least the parts I don't want them to see: in DVD-lab buttons/links can be placed on menus that are invisible/normal on selected and activated modes. A motion menu can be created with visible links to parts of the DVD you want the recipient to see, but unless he is deliberately told there is an invisible link somewhere or accidentally finds it or inspects the contents on the PC the segment the invisible button it leads to cannot be played. This is how "easter eggs" are done.
    For the nth time, with the possible exception of certain Intel processors, I don't have/ever owned anything whose name starts with "i".

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    Originally Posted by thayne
    Not even professional porn DVD's have CSS.
    They don't?
    His name was MackemX

    What kind of a man are you? The guy is unconscious in a coma and you don't have the guts to kiss his girlfriend?

  3. Wow busy thread since I went to bed for 3 hours FINNALY!

    Hobby? Hobby??

    Hey, TheGr8Steve:
    Video is only one of my newer hobbies, taken up this year. One of my main hobbies is building computers! NO, if I were busy ripping movies instead of posting insults MY system would NOT be busy! Also not everyone just rips movies and makes copies. Most of my stuff for backup is capturing tapes, 2 hr tape take 2hrs to capture! Capturing is not the same as a 10 minute rip!
    What I am supposed to do sit and watch it all the way through? Don't forget, I will see it partly 3 or 4 times when I preview the file to make sure it looks good after each step. Once the disk is done I or someone will sit down and watch it to make sure it works! Heck I might even watch it while I post something

    At the time I was posting, AND now that I am AGAIN, one system is CAPTURING original content I have made! Another system is RENDERING the content I CAPTURED last night! Only reason the next system is Idle is I am waiting for the others to finish! ANd if my parts had arrived yet I would be building a 5th hobbie system right now! But no UPS or Fedex deliverly means no Hobbie today. As for being on the net, well you don't think this is really my best and most powerful system do you? TO SURF THE NET? HA HA HA, it only has a 4 meg ATI AIW even! geesh!

    Of course I know many people only have one system, and many are lucky to have even that.
    BUt NO, just becuase we are posting anything does not mean we have nothing else going at the same time!

    Some of us CAN walk and chew bubble gum at the same time!

    Not trying to be insulting to you like it seems you were to us. And there is nothing wrong with a person wanting to protect thier own original content, a work of thier own, but that is absolutely NOT what he asked!

    I am making my own video to sell, an original work I have created! If I choose to try and protect that from copying there is nothing wrong with it, but if you buy it, ripp a few copies then try to protect those, there is something wrong with that!!

    Personnally I chose to NOT copy protect my work even if I could!
    And I am sure just like me, many others on this forum have more than one system at HOME! Maybe others even have a 4 system lan like myself too!
    So please take foot out of mouth before you bite yourself
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  4. . As far as the ninja star warning with the ninja picture- That would be sweet- even my own warning would be kinda cool- if any one knows how to do that- I would like some advice and answers.
    My advice to you is to quit mooching and learn how to do this yourself.
    Then post a guide back here on the forum. Then you'll get some respect.
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  5. Member housepig's Avatar
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    Originally Posted by AND1
    So you're telling me no other person can protect his own DVDs except Hollywood?
    and again - look around this site - how well is Hollywood protecting it's work?

    sorry, guy. one method for making the money is to keep a tight lid on distribution - don't sell to rental stores, or libraries, and don't sell cheap. You'll make more money per copy, but sell less copies.

    then again, depending on your documentary, this may be okay - I was looking at buying a copy of Stanley Milgram's film "Obedience", and the one outlet that has the rights sells a vhs copy for...



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    . $320 per copy.

    his other films are a relative bargain at between $180-250 each.

    but then again, how big is the market? aside from the occasional freak like me who would like to see it, most of it's intended audience is academic, psychology departments and such, or TV studios (where I first saw an excerpt from the work), and to them, that's a drop in the bucket.

    so make a documentary with limited academic appeal, and you can maintain the same dollar totals with 1/20th the amount of copies in circulation...
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  6. Yes and your question sounds more like your asking about the right to copy protect your work more than your ability to protect it.

    Anyone has the right to copy protect their own work (thier own original content) if they have the ability to do so!

    Use the Hollywood methods and pay the fees! If it does not work on DVD R disks, then produce them comercailly and pay the fees for that too!

    Or pay a program to delevope your own protection scheme, or learn to program and program your own yourself.

    You have many options for copy protecting your work, but none are any good!
    But yep, if your asking about your right to copy protect your work, you do have that right! Just pay the fees to the comercail companies that own the protections and have the disks made!

    Or you could deny anyone that owns a PC (OK computer, I always forget about APPLES/MACS), VCR, or setop recorder the right to buy or own your disks! That would work about as well, though it will cut your sales

    And of course don't forget the guy with the 52" TV and a camcorder

    Seriousily though, why bother? You can if you want though.
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  7. As far as the ninja star warning with the ninja picture- That would be sweet-

    My God Freestyler, that pic was the funniest thing I've seen in months. I'm still laughing. This has to be one of the most entertaining threads I've ever read.

    Thank you all!!

  8. What other DVD's have you seen with CSS? Not even professional porn DVD's have CSS.
    No that you know that of course

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    Dude, I'm telling you that DVD Studio Pro allows you to add Macrovision and CSS to your DVD-Rs. I tried it out, and I was forced to rip it to copy it because of the encryption.

  10. adobe encore also supports adding macrovision and css as well.
    i am not sure to what extect as to the fact that i have not tried to use it yet. i run a small video business where i complie photos onto a dvd or vhs for people and this thread interested me.

    like i said i have not used the feature because i have only had encore for about a week, but if anyone has any questions on it i'd be glad to poke and prod a bit till i came up with an answer

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    Scenarist will add copyright protection, cost retail around
    $40,000.00 US, may be a little out of budget?
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    Originally Posted by turk690
    People can still rip and copy DVDs even of material uniquely your own, CSS notwithstanding. But will they be able to watch said DVD easily on their set-tops? I have a way to make it harder, or at least the parts I don't want them to see: in DVD-lab buttons/links can be placed on menus that are invisible/normal on selected and activated modes. A motion menu can be created with visible links to parts of the DVD you want the recipient to see, but unless he is deliberately told there is an invisible link somewhere or accidentally finds it or inspects the contents on the PC the segment the invisible button it leads to cannot be played. This is how "easter eggs" are done.
    Yep, that's cool, i did that on acouple of dvd's with TMPGEnc DVD Author
    , just moved a button out of the safe zone and you can't see it on the tv

  13. Originally Posted by tgpo
    Dude, I'm telling you that DVD Studio Pro allows you to add Macrovision and CSS to your DVD-Rs. I tried it out, and I was forced to rip it to copy it because of the encryption.
    From apples site:

    Pre-mastering Options

    * Region encoding
    * Digital and analog copyright management with CSS and Macrovision (Type 1, 2, 3)
    * Test functionality with built-in Simulator
    * Test built projects with Apple DVD Player software
    * Output to DVD-R Cutting Master Format (CMF)
    * Supports 12 and 8 cm discs, single and dual layer
    * Dual layer options
    Choose between Parallel Track Path (PTP) and Opposite Track Path (OTP)
    Specify the dual layer break point
    * Format existing builds to DVD-R and DLT

    It's only for pre-mastering. You need to use either DLT or DVD-Authoring disks, and you have to have a drive that will write CSS, which 99% do not.


    From http://www.go2share.net/dvdprimer/dvdrvsdlt.htm

    The CSS Issue

    Probably the biggest reason why most replicators choose DLT over DVD-R is DVD-R's handling of Content Scrambling System (CSS) information--or lack thereof. "The problem is that there aren't any drives--at least any that are widely available--that can pull CSS keys off a DVD-R disc, let alone write a CSS-encrypted DVD-R," says Town.

    According to Pioneer's Andy Parsons, while it is impossible to write CSS information to a DVD-R General use disc, DVD-R for Authoring discs do have the ability to store CSS information. DVD-R General media ship with the area where the CSS information is stored pre-blocked by the manufacturer. While DVD-R Authoring discs are not blocked in this manner, the area is unconditionally prewritten with null data when a first recording session is performed on a disc by the only available DVD-R Authoring drive (Pioneer's DVR-S201). Indeed, DVD-R's inability to handle CSS information almost single-handedly rules out DVD-R's use as mastering media for DVD-Video in the studio entertainment space where most DVD-Videos to date have fit to date.

    Of course, few titles of non-Hollywood origin require CSS encryption. DVD-ROM developers in particular may find that burning a title to DVD-R disc and shipping it to the replicator may be more convenient than investing in DLT devices and adding extra output steps to the process. "All of the material that we've received on DVD-R has been for DVD-ROM," says John Town. As the installed base of DVD-ROM drives steadily increases--along with corporate and desktop use of the technology--one might guess, so would the number of DVD-ROM titles being produced.
    "Terminated!" :firing:

  14. Originally Posted by Redd
    . As far as the ninja star warning with the ninja picture- That would be sweet- even my own warning would be kinda cool- if any one knows how to do that- I would like some advice and answers.
    My advice to you is to quit mooching and learn how to do this yourself.
    Then post a guide back here on the forum. Then you'll get some respect.
    So what you are saying is that no one should ask questions in this forum? and because I ask questions I am a mooch?

    Out of all the stupid replies I have recieved on this topic yours takes the cake. BTW where can I find your guides?

    Also judging from all the views and all of the replies, other people must have intrest in this topic, otherwise it would still not be at the top in this forum. Sounds like some of you need something better to do than live in a forum.

    I am just trying to learn- Chill out.

  15. So what you are saying is that no one should ask questions in this forum? and because I ask questions I am a mooch?
    It's the way and the reason you asked it! and yes you are a mooch...

    Also judging from all the views and all of the replies, other people must have intrest in this topic, otherwise it would still not be at the top in this forum.
    If you read most of the replies you would see they are people bagging on you, not intrest in the topic.....
    "Terminated!" :firing:

  16. Thayne - Go f**k yourself.

    So what was wrong with my very first post? I asked nicely and why I want to know should not be an issue.

    You are in breach of the forum rules and are being issued with a formal warning.
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  17. Originally Posted by OpHolmes006
    Thayne - Go **** yourself.

    So what was wrong with my very first post? I asked nicely and why I want to know should not be an issue.
    That's a real eloquent response... It does show your intelligence level though... And you expect people to help you? LMAO!
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    I answer this question at least twice a week with


    "....it didn't stop you from copying the DVD/CD....."

    Most people think about it for a minute and realize all the tools that work on DVDR/CDR work on DVD/CD. There is always the "Scratch the disk" responce. Most people want to know for completely original works, like say wedding video's. There is absolutley no justafiable reason to copy protect a DVD backup. In fact, all you have to do is a disk-disk copy to preserve encryption (assuming you know how to do that with a DVD5 to DVD5 disk copy).

    What has everyone laughing their collective asses off is your miniscule number of posts, telling people off, and the blatant piracy aspect of protecting "your backups". If you don't want someone to copy your backup, then give them the original......
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    Originally Posted by OpHolmes006

    Also judging from all the views and all of the replies, other people must have intrest in this topic, otherwise it would still not be at the top in this forum.
    don't overestimate yourself... some of us just like to see someone dig themselves in a hole.
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  20. Opholmes006 please remove your current signature or I will issue you a warning. Thread locked.




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