Want to know if it is possible to copy protect my copies?

[indolikaa]

txpharaoh got into a discussion about this not long ago. I could almost swear that CSS can only be embedded in an area of the disc that can only be found on a DVD-R for Authoring disc or an actual pressing facility. And this is only after you've paid homage to the DVD Copy Control Association and requested a decrypt key...

Maybe I can find that thread...

[OpHolmes006]

Look- I was just asking an honest question that a ton of people have probably thought about before. I thought I could get help here or maybe just some sound advice. From the very first reply I felt attacked for just asking a question, that maybe some of you find worthless or silly. As far as the ninja star warning with the ninja picture- That would be sweet- even my own warning would be kinda cool- if any one knows how to do that- I would like some advice and answers.

as far as the first question- move on forget about it, I got my answer.

[overloaded_ide]

Quit razing the guy, and your all wrong anyway! It is extremely easy to copy protect your DVD R backup before loaning it out, after all that time consuming ripping/ decrypting and burning!

ALL you got to do is burn in the normal way, take disk out of burner and lay on flat surface. Grasp strong knife with firm hold and drag heavily from center hole of disk to outer edge! This will install a copy protection I can nearly garauntee cannot be defeated

Also there is the method of drilling 1/4" holes at various places in the disk, 6 or 8 will be enough. Keep in mind though this may effect balance, so it must be done carefully, and prefferably close to the center, but in the data area to be effective!

I mean I know how he feels, it took me 8 months before I finnally was able to steal 50 movies! That was a lot of time and hard work tossing that brick through the video stores window too, at 2 am no less! I'd be really pissed if someone walked off with one of my disks now!

I gotto go, getting late and the lock smith will be here early in the morning to install my new alarm system on the video cabnet. Hey I got to protect my investment somehow

Disclaimer:
All the above was a joke, not to be taken seriously, except the sarcasim.

[The village idiot]

The PGP really will work Just can't play them in a set top player. But it will be safe!

No it won't. As soon as they decrypt it they can copy it.....

Yes it would. I never said give the key to anyone. If they don't have the key, they can not play it.

[AND1]

All you people are wrong... what if I made a movie or documentory of my own and put it on DVD-R to sell to customers etc is there no way to protect my work?

[Gritz]

Actually, there might be a point to his question about a simple protection that the average Joe isn't interested in going to the trouble to find out how to circumvent. The average Joe might have a friend with burner who would be willing to make him 5 copies .... but if the first copy failed perhaps he probably wouldn't go further. Unless he was proficient, in which case he would probably make his own original copy. Take another scenario: Say I create a video presentation of a class reunion and I agree to make copies for the participants at $20 each, above the original cost. Now my client might say to himself ...." Why should I pay $20 each when I have a friend that will copy it from MY paid-for copy, for the cost of the media?". A simple copy protection in this case might discourage this and protect the investment that I have. Of course if he's smart enough to get around this then he's also smart enough to make his own video presentation. Or so it seems to me. I'd put it on if I had it ... if it was easily installed and relatively inexpensive.

[housepig]

All you people are wrong... what if I made a movie or documentory of my own and put it on DVD-R to sell to customers etc is there no way to protect my work?

if you are that serious about it, have it professionally replicated, that will at least allow you to add CSS protection... not that it'll stand up to any ripping program, but it might make you feel better.

but basically, look around at this site - there is no way to do it. if you put it on a disc, someone can copy it. even without dvd ripping software, if I can see it, I can copy it... the "analog hole"... quality isn't the best, but tell that to the guys selling camcorder copies of T3 for $10 each on the street.

sorry. unless you can come up with a better technological way to protect the discs, and if you did, that would make you much more money than your documentary...

Look- I was just asking an honest question that a ton of people have probably thought about before.

that's partially why you are getting lumped on - it has been asked and answered many times before, about once a week if not more, and the answer could easily be found with a simple Forum search.

[thayne]

All you people are wrong... what if I made a movie or documentory of my own and put it on DVD-R to sell to customers etc is there no way to protect my work?

No, we're all right...
Did you even read what anyone said??? The answer is NO! YOU CAN'T!

[AND1]

So you're telling me no other person can protect his own DVDs except Hollywood?

[thayne]

So you're telling me no other person can protect his own DVDs except Hollywood?

That's right. Unless you want to spend the money like housepig suggested and get it professionally duplicated, but you will need to order at least 1000 copies.

What other DVD's have you seen with CSS? Not even professional porn DVD's have CSS.

[overloaded_ide]

I think it was more the second post you made that brought about most of the jokes and any wrath on you!

The thing is - I took the time to figure out how to copy these movies, and I dont want some ****ing dumbass to use easy cd creator, and copy what took time, trials and patience to figure out.
PS- if you dont have a resonable reply- please #### OFF !

That's the one that got me anyway.
Ya, if your really just backing up stuff you legaly own, and loan out your backups instead of your originals, and oppose piracy strongly I might could see an interest in preserving the protections. But that's not the way I read your posts, and I think the others read it about the same way I did.

More like "I wanna look smart amongst my friends, I could steal the movies and they can't" the way I read it.

And actually your probably asking at the wrong place here anyways. After all, sharing information and knowledge on how to do things and helping others is more the point here on this forum I think. Not being greedy and hording hard learned info or works.
Just look at all the helpful FREE how to guides, where to find tools, how to use them, etc...
All stuff "what took time, trials and patience to figure out" by someone, being freely shared with others! Those guides alone took more time for someone to make probably than it takes an idiot to defeat a protection!

Not that you should be giving away disks freely by any means, that would be piracy and illegal, but you should be sharing "what took time, trials and patience to figure out" like the people that your asking questions to do!

I am working on an original "HOW TO" type video myself, to sell! Think I plan to try and protect my ORIGINAL work when it's done? No way, and even if I went comercail production, no protections! Any fool with a computer can break it, so why bother? And get a smart person with a computer they can re-encode it and make it a VCD

Sure I know if my finished product is any good then a few people will steal a few copies. But do I care? It's stuff "what took time, trials and patience to figure out" durring a long period of YEARS and stuff most people can't find info on how to do it easily!

Hope you don't mind I borrowed your line about "what took time, trials and patience to figure out" a few times, it wasn't protected so I thought I'd ripp a few copies

[CHAOS]

The answer is NO. Is that simple enough

No one is being a smarta&& or making fun off your but despite what your teachers told you there really are silly questions and this is one of them. You just beat the copy protection that a multi-billion dollar industry developed (with freeware tools). What do you think any of us could put in place that might work?

You can re-CSS the discs if you like (for DVD) but as you already know that does nothing. VCD/CVD/SVCD = nothing.

Exactly!! if a multi billion $ industry has not been able to do it yet, at least not something that can't be broken, unlocked, bypassed ect. what are we gonna do ??
I had a few replies but as i read farther and farther, all i could do was laugh my @$$ off!!!! actually brought up a few tears!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!

But on a not about css on dvd-r's, i don't know exactly what the deal was, but 2 days ago i made a dvd image with TMPGEnc DVD Author , i fired up nero 6 ultra edition 6.0.0.11 and i don't remember if it was the nero express or the nero recode, kind of like I.C. 7 or dvd shrink, i think recode, but when i tried to burn the dvd contents it said i could not copy or burn protected dvd's ?? it had a c & an s in it but i can't remember for sure what it said, just thought it was odd seeing as i had just made the dvd image from a laserdisc i was transfering, i just assumed that TMPGEnc DVD Author put something in it ?? i'll have to retry it and see what happens, like it matters, just have to rip the dvd i made and copy it if i need to!! of course to back up my back up of my LD

[CHAOS]

Hope you don't mind I borrowed your line about "what took time, trials and patience to figure out" a few times, it wasn't protected so I thought I'd ripp a few copies

HEH HEH HEH!!!
Hey freestyler,
That neato photo you made was not protected, i hope you don't mind if i borrowed it ? it would make a real cool start up screen for my dvd's :P

[overloaded_ide]

just have to rip the dvd i made and copy it if i need to!! of course to back up my back up of my LD

I geuss you were joking CHAOS, but I can see a backup of a backup!
That's sometimes alot of time consuming work to make a backup, depending what you have to do. SO a backup of a backup is worthwhile incase the first backup fails!

I just made an original DVD r for some people, about 7 copies. Lots of work to make, so I am keeping 3 backups incase I need to make more latter. One is really for me to use, the other two are real backups to be stored away. Non are protected though

[Nelson37]

Have toyed with some professional projects in the past, here's a few ideas -

Any of the commercial products I have seen have also had reports of playback problems. Hollywood's best is easily broken, remember.

1. Probably best - sell the project with full duplication rights and price it accordingly.

2. Make the forgeries more identifiable. Bought in bulk, nice cases and laminated case labels could be done for less than a buck a pop. Likewise, using an single, relatively expensive disk type, like Apple. Print the Federal Copyright warning on the back case, inside front, the disk itself, and on the video. Display custom case samples to as many buyers as possible, so they can identify the real thing. Hopefully, this will keep honest people honest.

3. You could nest some invisible menus with only one active number each to create a sort of code number and change them for each disk, print the codes on the labels. This would be very easily circumvented, and would not prevent copying. But if most of your target audience has their VCR clock blinking 12:00 then it might do you some good. I remember something like this being detailed a while back.

Just had a thought which could make this somewhat more effective. Make the first 15 minutes of the video (in three 5 min chapters) garbled, like a scrambled HBO channel. Make the final menu point to the fourth chapter which is 15 minutes in, after the garble. They could still copy the disk, but all would have the same code number identifying the source. (Add to the FBI warning something scary about "aiding and abetting piracy"). If they just copy the movie, many would not watch more that a minute or so, or try next more than once or twice, and assume the copy failed. It all depends on what quality of thieves you expect to encounter.

Another thought. I wonder if it would be possible to implement some sort of "$15,000 fine for unlawful duplication" and actually make the point of the whole business to catch the counterfeitors and extract the cash?

[CHAOS]

just have to rip the dvd i made and copy it if i need to!! of course to back up my back up of my LD

I geuss you were joking CHAOS, but I can see a backup of a backup!
That's sometimes alot of time consuming work to make a backup, depending what you have to do. SO a backup of a backup is worthwhile incase the first backup fails!

I just made an original DVD r for some people, about 7 copies. Lots of work to make, so I am keeping 3 backups incase I need to make more latter. One is really for me to use, the other two are real backups to be stored away. Non are protected though

Actually i was, but now that i think about it, the laser disc's i transfered to dvd'r, they are LD's that have not come out on dvd & prob. won't, don't have menus or anything, i took alot of time seperating audio from video, editing, putting back together, ect. ect. to make nice motion menus with moving & audio backgrounds and it would be alot of work lost if the original got crunched

FYI
I just tried to use IC7 to shrink down an oversized dvd file i made with TMPGEnc DVD Author and it gave me the same message as nero!!!!
"CSS not supported when reading from hard disk."
so obviously TMPGEnc DVD Author writes the dvd files with css encryption any other theorys or experiance on this ??
I guess i will try to rip it with DVD Decrypter from HD to HD.
Never tried that before.

[CHAOS]

Okay guys
Here is one that i jhave never heard of or tried!!!!
How do i rip a dvd file that is on my hard drive to get rid of the css encryption when i can't burn it to a dvd-r because it's too big
i'm tellin ya!!!!!!!!
Okay, disregard that last question, i did'nt see a way to do it from DVD Decrypter but i see SmartRipper lets you choose a folder!!!!

[overloaded_ide]

Aww come on CHAOS,
Your joking right!

If your serious,
How did you create your DVD with Tmpgenc DVD Author? I use that and never ran into protection problems

I ALWAYS create the files to a Video_ts folder myself though I think the option might be there to create an ISO or something else. Several times I have made a DVD that was too big and used DVDshrink (I think) or else DVD2ONE to reduce it to fit the DVD -r.

I have so many tools I got to try and seldom used I forget which was what

[overloaded_ide]

If all else were to fail and it was an ISO or you could turn it into one, mount it with Dameon tools then rip from the virtual drive

Well it might work?

[TheGr8Steve]

Boy....You guy's need to get a hobby. You have that much time to sit here and make fun of somebody who's asking a legit question? Of course, we know you guys can decrypt anything, but I don't want the average Joe to be able to steal my stuff that I put my hard work into either. If anyone wants to go through the hassle of ripping my work by doing it the hard way. Well go ahead. I know if I want something bad enough I'll get it too. But I would, at least, want you to "Pay" something to get it, even if it is just your labor. You don't need to sound like the worst nerds of all time. The real funny thing was.......none of you nerds understood the question, you were just anxious to jump all over him. Bully nerds. What a concept.

[thayne]

Boy....You guy's need to get a hobby. You have that much time to sit here and make fun of somebody who's asking a legit question? Of course, we know you guys can decrypt anything, but I don't want the average Joe to be able to steal my stuff that I put my hard work into either. If anyone wants to go through the hassle of ripping my work by doing it the hard way. Well go ahead. I know if I want something bad enough I'll get it too. But I would, at least, want you to "Pay" something to get it, even if it is just your labor. You don't need to sound like the worst nerds of all time. The real funny thing was.......none of you nerds understood the question, you were just anxious to jump all over him. Bully nerds. What a concept.

Who asked for your opinion? We need a hobby? Hello! earth to TheGr8Steve!

We understood the question just fine. He wanted to keep his buddies from stealing content that he himself stole; content that he doesn't even own. He didn't pay anything, he used a freely available app that some bully nerd wrote... Labor? you call using a 3 click app labor? LMAO..... I'll remember your comments next time you have a simple little problem you need help with...

I think we should restrict posting access to those with a 130 or higher IQ. Whats with all the "dummy" posts lately anyway???? Maybe the site got listed on AOL???

[TheGr8Steve]

Thank you, Bully Nerd. The only hobby you have is writing intellectual insults to everyone. (and they're not very good ones either.) If you were ripping DVDs, you wouldn't have time for 500 million replys's to everyone. Your computer would be busy.

[Tommyknocker]

Hey, TheGr8Steve:
You are borderline abusive, wouldn't you say?

[thayne]

Yeah, okay... How long does it take you to rip a DVD??? If you tried an OS other than Windows ME you would discover a feature called multi-tasking. It's a groovey (musician lingo) little feature that lets you do several tasks at the same time, if you can comprehend such a thing.

Average Musician: Fat 40 year old who lives with his parents and drives the same car he drove when he was 16. Highlight of his day is getting stoned...

Average Nerd: Has 3 or 4 houses by the time he's 25, steals all the musicians girlfriends (because they can't afford to take them out) and retires in Rio by the age of 39. Highlight of his day making fun of looser musicians....

[SatStorm]

I know only one way to copy protect a DVD (or even a CD)

Voodoo Priests!


Yes, I don't joking! Just get a Voodoo Priest do Voodoo stuff to your disc and then relax and watch the people trying to copy your disc dieing in instant and loose their soul to Satan!


Best protection ever!

[thayne]

I know only one way to copy protect a DVD (or even a CD)

Voodoo Priests!


Yes, I don't joking! Just get a Voodoo Priest do Voodoo stuff to your disc and then relax and watch the people trying to copy your disc dieing in instant and loose their soul to Satan!


Best protection ever!

Sweet! Could they put a MoJo on TheGr8Steve too????

[CHAOS]

Aww come on CHAOS,
Your joking right!

If your serious,
How did you create your DVD with Tmpgenc DVD Author? I use that and never ran into protection problems

I ALWAYS create the files to a Video_ts folder myself though I think the option might be there to create an ISO or something else. Several times I have made a DVD that was too big and used DVDshrink (I think) or else DVD2ONE to reduce it to fit the DVD -r.

I have so many tools I got to try and seldom used I forget which was what

Dude!!! I am serious!!!
When i am finished putting together my dvd i output from TMPGEnc DVD Author where it auomaticaly creates the audio & video ts folders.
I just tried again with nero to check.
If i use nero express it goes through fine but the one i just made is oversized so i had to shrink it down a little. when i tried "nero recode" & "IC7" they both give me the same message "CSS not supported when reading from hard disk."
Now all the LD to DVDr's i have made have all been under the size limit except this one. but i just used SmartRipper to rip from HD to HD and shrunk it down after that with IC7, i am now going to burn it to see how it came out 8) but TMPGEnc DVD Author must add css protection when outputting your project to a VIDEO_TS folder....

[SatStorm]

Use DVD Shrink 2.3 for TMPGenc Author

[The village idiot]

@ TheGreatSteve see I know l33t speak too!

What makes you think that we don't have running while we post. After all, everyone knows that the bully nerds have more than one machine. How else could we put a web attack together, and monitor its effects without more than 1 computer? It's easy to post using and old PII computer while your P4 is encoding. I do it all the time. Hell I can post, encode, print a 44xXXX inch print and carry out a web attack or download all at the same time. I through download in there, because we all know that bully nerds are all software thieves too.

[tompika]

You should make it so this warning pops up when you insert the disc:

That pic was even better than the Cat-Hitler thread.

I was laughing for five minutes