Ok, some of you may have been following our little "disagreement" in the "can you copy a copy" thread.
Vance insists that he can insert "mark(ed) errors" onto a copy of a DVD that will render it uncopyable. He also is incapable of using capital letters and has a dangerous attachment to the "enter" key.
I insist that Vance has been taking hallucinogens, and maybe steroids or something else that'll just whack yer head out.
Now, every time Vance has further "clarified", I've further "tested" (and wasted a few blank DVD's in the process, I might add!) and found that he's STILL high on crack.
Let me recap.
Vance: Can't copy a copy, there are mark errors.
Me: Hey I just did it.
Vance: Can't copy a copy with Nero, there are mark errors.
Me: Hey, I just did it.
Vance: Can't copy a copy with this nasty old version of Nero.
Me: Hey, I just did it!
Vance: Can't copy a copy with this nasty old version of Nero that was made with IC7 and specifically had mark errors inserted.
Ok, my question to you is this...
Should I bother to install IC7, transcode a movie, add MARK ERRORS, and then copy it? Will this serve to dissuade Vance, or will he find a NEW further condition? Mind you, his ORIGINAL statement was that copied discs can have mark errors (ostensibly that we would be unaware of). And even now he maintains that it was done to keep people from copying copies with Nero, although I can make multiple copies with his version of Nero without trouble... so I have NO idea how these mark errors are supposed to get onto the disc except by insertion from IC7.
Now, last time I checked, intentional errors on discs was a CD copy protection. I'm pretty damn sure that my Plextor burner just WILL NOT WRITE ERRORS TO THE DISC. In fact, Olli from Elaborate Bytes backs me up. Go check out their hardware list - this DVD burner can't burn DIDDLY for copy protection. In fact, NO DVD BURNER CAN. They're all pretty much designed to never burn bad data, DVD's being pricey and all.
So I wanna know this - is Vance the only one who has ever heard of this? He says that he's an "expert" because he's been burning DVD's for 2 years, and back 2 years ago this happened all the time and we just wouldn't know because now we have it so easy with our new-fangled software like Recordnow and DVD Decryptor.
Please help me understand this. I hate being called a retard. Especially by someone who really sounds like they're making shit up. I've looked all over the net and can't find ANYTHING about mark errors outside of the IC7 documentation, and even there it's one line that says "yeah toggle this option to add some errors to your output, IF YOUR BURNER SUPPORTS IT".
Help? Please?
- Gurm
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It's not "UNCOPYABLE", nothing is uncopyable. Like Vance said if you read it, "there are ways around this".
He also said that he would insert the marked errors to prevent you from copying a copy, not that you couldn't copy a copy that you had made.
Don't you think if it were simply that easy to prevent copying a DVD that the DVD producers would put marked errors into every DVD to prevent people from illegally copying them?
I've never encountered a DVD that I could not back up, I've had a few that I had to use other methods than Decrypter, IC7, pdi2iso, decrpyter on but nothing that I couldn't get backed up.
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i was actually following the thread in question, and without looking for it, came across another one of vance's posts. It appears to me that vance goes around looking to cause trouble and argue. Some people are like that, i know a lot of them.
btw, go ahead vance, call me names, it just makes you sound like a dumb 14 year old kid
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I think some people just can't admit when they are wrong. Not one other person has confirmed what he says, yet some how we are all dumb newbies who know nothing. When I'm wrong I just say "oh, okay I didn't know that..." or something to that effect, but some people will argue to the grave they are right no matter what proof you give them....
I guess since he's been burning DVD's for 2 years he knows it all. I have been burning vcd's, svcd's and divx for a lot longer than that and I don't claim to know it all. I have been burning CD's since 2X CD-R/RW's were the fastest you could get and I even paid more than $300 for one.
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Originally Posted by vance43211
In any case, I think the facts have been brought out and this thread will end here before it degenerates into another flamewar.
If anyone knows what the "marked errors" in IC7 actually does in terms of technical detail, please post a new thread with that information.
Regards.Michael Tam
w: Morsels of Evidence
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