How to put the SubTittle LOW ?

[apalace]

Hi Everyone !
I use VobSub to watch a movie with subtittle ,When I watch it like AVI file in my PC , it looks cool , here is a sample of how it looks :


But after I convert it to VCD , the Subtittle comes up , but I want it to be below on the black space of the movie ... Here is how it looks after I convert the movie with the subtittle to a VCD :


Now , I use Virtualdub to load the movie and the TextSub codec in it , then I use TMPGEnc Programm to convert it to VCD .
When I open the VirtualDub then I add the TextSub Codec , the following window appears as default :


Then I click on the Styles... Button , the following window appears :


Now what should I change in the above last two windows to move the subtittle to be on the blackspace below of the movie screen ?

Anyone helps me with that please ?

Thanks for any help !

[Tommyknocker]

Try lowering the bottom margin, for starters.

[apalace]

Thanks Tommy for your answer ...

But I did now what you told me , I lowered the BOTTOM to 0 , and here is the screen after doing that :



As you see it still appear the blackspace , and I want it below the black line ..

Any Ideas People ??!!

[sterno]

Resize and letterbox the movie to (S)VCD resolution in Virtualdub. Add the TextSub filter below the resize filter, and you should be able to put it inside the letterboxing.

[apalace]

hmmmm......

Sterno , I did not understand you well

Can you explain that please but slowly ?

What should I resize ? And what is letterbox ?

The Movie is in AVI but I convert it to VCD using TMPGEnc after I open the AVI file in the Virtualdub and add the Textsub filter and I load the sub file, then I start Frame Server , and create vdr file , then I load the vdr file in TMPGEnc ... this is all what I do ..

But I did not understand what you said , resize what and where ? letterbox what ?

Thanks for your answer !

[sterno]

"Letterboxing" is the black border you have at the top and bottom of a widescreen movie when you watch it on your TV. When I say you should letterbox it yourself, I mean that you should add those borders yourself in Virtualdub instead of letting TMPGEnc add them.

It looks like what you have is a widescreen movie, and the AVI probably doesn't really have the black borders. If tmpgenc is set to keep the aspect ratio (which I think it is by default) it will resize the movie to fit in to VCD resolution and add the borders for you if they're necessary (they are for a widescreen movie). Since VirtualDub is adding the subtitles before tmpgenc does that, they show up inside the movie picture because the borders don't exist yet when the subtitles are added.

To add the borders yourself you need to use the "resize" filter in VirtualDub. First you'll want to download FitCD or MovieStacker to calculate the right width and height to use so that you won't distort the picture. Open your video in VirtualDub, add the "resize" filter and put in the numbers you got from FitCD. Then check the "expand frame and letterbox image" box and set the frame size to be the right final resolution for whatever you're making (352x240 for NTSC VCD, 352x288 for PAL VCD, etc.).

After you've done that, you can add the TextSub filter and you should be able to put the subtitles in the black border. You can look at VirtualDub's output pane to verify that the subtitles are where you want them. You'll probably want to set the bottom margin back to 10 or 20 so that the subtitles won't get cut off on your TV.

Then you can save your VDR file and frameserve to tmpgenc just like you already are, but make sure the source aspect ratio is set to 4:3 in the settings. tmpgenc should get it right on its own, but it's always good to double-check it.

I know it that sounds complicated, but it really isn't. It's a lot easier to do it than it is to explain it. After you've done it once you'll see it's not hard.

[apalace]

Excellent Answer

Thanks alot MAN for this explanation , I will try it now and when I do it I will post a reply contens a screenshot of the final work

But the AVI file has already Letterbox !!

Nevermind I will try what you said and see it myself .

Thanks again !

[apalace]

Sterno ...
I am confused with FitCD , I opened the Movie file I want to convert , after that what ? Should I choose which Format I want to convert ? I choosed VCD ... Is that right ?
And after that , which number should I type ? I looked in FitCD there are many numbers , which one is the right one ?

The window of Filter Resize shows :
New Width
New Height

What should I type here ?

And below it there are :
Frame Width
Frame Height

What should I type here ? Which numbers should I add from the FitCD ?

And thanks !

[sterno]

OK, you've opened your movie file by clicking the "source" button in the resizing section. You probably don't want to crop it, so select "no cropping" from the drop-down list next to cropping. You can usually leave all the other things by "source" alone, it'll get them right by looking at the AVI file.

Farther down next to "destination" you'll find a drop-down list, if you want to create a VCD you select VCD. If you want to make a PAL disc you check the box next to PAL, and if you want to make an NTSC disc you don't. Set overscan to zero unless you know you want to correct it.

The numbers you use for New Width and New Height are next to "resize". The numbers you use for Frame Width and Frame Height are next to "destination". You should probably also set the resizing method to Bilinear Precise or Bicubic Precise, Nearest Neighbor won't give you very good quality.

If you play around with the controls in FitCD you'll see how things work, but that should be enough to get you started.

[apalace]

Thanks very much Sterno , you are great .

Here is a screenshot of final work :



Thanks bunch Sterno for everything .

But in TMPGEnc I choosed "Full Screen" instead of "Full Screen (keep aspect ratio)" , I always choose with "keep aspect ratio" but in this movie I choosed only "Full Screen" , does this matter ? And what is the different between them both if you do not mind ??

Thanks !

[sterno]

In this case it doesn't matter if you use "keep aspect ratio" or not because tmpgenc shouldn't be resizing anything. Normally you'd want to use "keep aspect ratio" because if you don't it'll just change the video size instead of adding the black borders, and your movie will end up looking stretched or squashed.