DVD+R Versus DVD-R/Good Burner to Begin with

[VTSwordfish2002]

I'm sure the topic has come up before, but as I just entered the market for a DVD Burner I'm just wondering what would be the ups to either? Is there a format that is easier to find in stores? Most of the DVD Burners I have looked at already are +R compatible only, and I've been reading up trying to find the best for making backup copies of DVD's using DVD-X-Copy. Also any suggestions on a good DVD Burner at or under 200? Just curious thanks!

DC

[Bob W]

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[poopyhead]

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@VTSwordfish2002,

you've just opened up pandora's box

anywayz, one format isn't really better than the other....

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[Lar]

Yeah, it has come up millions of times..but Ill try to give ya an answer anyway.

Go with a combo drive(+/-), it may cost a little over 200, but if ya get one..you will be covered either way.

Most of the ones I see around town are + drives..with the combo drives just starting to make wide-spread appearances.

Do some searching online and see what you can get..I think it would be cheaper than going into a store and buying one.

[SLICK RICK]

Just get a Dual Format burner and avoid the headache.

SLICK RICK

[vance43211]

i would go with one format

either way you can't go wrong (-r or +r)

i just don't see a dual format burners

lasting as long as a one format burner

when it come to how many discs you can burn

before the drive dies

[Bob W]

i would go with one format

either way you can't go wrong (-r or +r)

i just don't see a dual format burners

lasting as long as a one format burner

when it come to how many discs you can burn

before the drive dies

Hmm interesting however I believe it won't be too long before all the DVD burners will be dual format and they won't even make single format burners.

[SLICK RICK]

i just don't see a dual format burners

lasting as long as a one format burner

when it come to how many discs you can burn

before the drive dies

Why makes you think that. Is it just because it has the ability to burn both formats. I have a Sony and have had no problems burning anything, I know I am well over the 1,000 mark.


SLICK RICK

[jdizzy40]

Good one Bob. Now let the flame war begin. Bob you were surely kidding right. If not everyone pile on Bob! Oh well we gotta have fun sometime, right?

[Bob W]

Bring it on, I can take it bwahaha.

[poopyhead]

i just don't see a dual format burners

lasting as long as a one format burner

when it come to how many discs you can burn

before the drive dies

how do you get this idea...???

so you're saying the dual format pioneer a06 will last shorter than its predecessors (a05, a04, a03)???

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@VTSwordfish2002,

you need to make sure which DVD format your DVD player supports..look here: https://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers

keep in mind some older players only support -R... however, most newer players support both formats.

[overloaded_ide]

Personally I think if you want dual format, buy one of each

Also I am the type that buys a VHS AND DVD player also, not a dually in those either.

Hey with a dual if one dies they both die, and you can only use one at a time anyway. BUy one of each and use both at the same time, get double your money worth

Copy from one, burn to the other. Burn both formats at once maybe ?
Dual format drive means do one thing at a time, Dual drives means do 2 at once?

Then again, it might be a little cheaper to get one good drive dual format than to get two good drives one each.

I've got -r, and it works for me, so far

[vance43211]

i just don't see a dual format burners

lasting as long as a one format burner

when it come to how many discs you can burn

before the drive dies

how do you get this idea...???

so you're saying the dual format pioneer a06 will last shorter than its predecessors (a05, a04, a03)???

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@VTSwordfish2002,

you need to make sure which DVD format your DVD player supports..look here: https://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers

keep in mind some older players only support -R... however, most newer players support both formats.

i kinda got that idea from you telling everybody to rip from your dvd -rom instead your burner

[SLICK RICK]

i kinda got that idea from you telling everybody to rip from your dvd -rom instead your burner

I am sure the reason poopyhead said that is to let people know that they should use there DVD burner to burn DVD's. That would almost be like buying a Standalone DVD Writer just to watch DVD's on your television. DVD burners don't give fast rip speeds any way, so your better off using your DVD-Rom for that.

SLICK RICK

[tompika]

DVD burners don't give fast rip speeds any way, so your better off using your DVD-Rom for that.

I got a Toshiba CD-RW/8xDVD-ROM (not locked @2x)
but I do rip with my OEM Ricoh burner cuz it rips faster (up to 8.3x)
It's not as fast as your 16xDVD-ROM but I won't waste $40 to buy one for ripping.

When this 2.4x burner gives up working (hopefully no earlier then a year or two) I'll buy a new one and anyway the market will be full of high speed burners (8x or up) next year.

It has to work for the money I paid for it - Isay

[SLICK RICK]

I do rip with my OEM Ricoh burner cuz it rips faster (up to 8.3x)

Well, looks like I learned something new today. Thanks for the info tompika. I cant get my sony to rip at more than 2x and I also know from previous post from alot of other members that they are in the same boat as me.

When this 2.4x burner gives up working (hopefully no earlier then a year or two) I'll buy a new one

I dont blame you, sounds like you have a good drive.

SLICK RICK

[ricky1756]

goto this page http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/113 It has a good article of the merits and shortcomings of dvd+r and dvde-r

[tompika]

Ricky!

This article doesn't give any information regarding what the original poster asked.

It compares the two DVD format in theory.

It's very old news and there has been a flame war here about it,
so please don't start again.

[JoRodd]

I would recommend the Sony. Not only is it a dual format and has an 8 meg buffer, I have found that the Sony is the best at reading less than perfect discs.

[tompika]

Right now I'd consider the speedy Plextor writer as my next.
Plextor has been reliable.

But I wonder if the system can actually keep up with 8x burning or will slow down, I mean I know it has buffer underrun, zero linking, lossless linking but the 2MB buffer just sound poor and the HDD has to be totally defragmented for sure,...maybe need 3.06GHz/1GB RAM???

Unless the lead in and finalization are faster than before there will be not much difference between 4x and 8x. 10 min to 15 min

Or am I wrong?

What do you guys think?

[vance43211]

i kinda got that idea from you telling everybody to rip from your dvd -rom instead your burner

I am sure the reason poopyhead said that is to let people know that they should use there DVD burner to burn DVD's. That would almost be like buying a Standalone DVD Writer just to watch DVD's on your television. DVD burners don't give fast rip speeds any way, so your better off using your DVD-Rom for that.

SLICK RICK

actually poopyhead was talking about all that extra spinning and stuff.

i just figure that since it is burning 2 different formats

that might lead to unusual wear and tear

i can be wrong though

[overloaded_ide]

My ideal choice would be 52x CD burner (faster than any DVD burner I've seen for cds) a DVD drive for reading and ripping (both cds and DVDs), One DVD -r burner and one +r burner.

I have a question on that also. Nero is supposed to be able to write to multiple drives at once, like for making 3-4 disks at a time (at least for CDs, haven't checked for DVDs).
Now, since all the data is the same, would nero be able to write it to both a -r drive and a +r drive at the same time? If not, then what about 2 of the same Dual format drives, one with a -r disk and the other with a +r disk?

Sometimes we may want one of each disk -R and +r of the same thing, or more than one copy.
Forget backups and legalities! Some of us do original content too!

Like last night and today, I did a school band, birthday party, vacation, school graduation all from VHS camcorder tapes. Great job if I were being paid more than the cost of disks

Anyway, several of these disks I need to make more than one copy.

If a dual format is about the same price as a single format, I'd buy that now, but if it is near twice the price, then I would buy one each of the single format drives if I wanted to have both - and + capabilities.

And I would also pop the $35 for a promise Ide controller so I could run a total of 8 drives.

[Bob W]

I seem to remember reading in my manual that you can have like 64 drives and burn to all of them with RecordNow Max. Why you would do that I don't know.

[tompika]

Now, since all the data is the same, would Nero be able to write it to both a -r drive and a +r drive at the same time? If not, then what about 2 of the same Dual format drives, one with a -r disk and the other with a +r disk?

I don't see the point of trying to do that.
Some guys would be happy if they could burn one at a time.

For simultaneous recording the same type of burners with the same firmware would be ideal.
Since writing the lead in and lead out sectors takes much longer for DVD-R than DVD+R I doubt that you could burn plus and minus at the same time at 4x.
The other burning speeds just don't match:
DVD-R/W: 1x, 2x, 4x
DVD+R/W: 2.4x, 4x


Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong!

[poopyhead]

actually poopyhead was talking about all that extra spinning and stuff.

i just figure that since it is burning 2 different formats

that might lead to unusual wear and tear

i can be wrong though

???? i made no mention of formats....

all i ever said was to use DVD burners strictly for burning DVDs....not for ripping and not for burning CD-Rs...to decrease wear-and-tear on your $150+ drive

since ripping DVDs can be accomplished by 16X DVD-ROM ($30)

and burning CD-Rs can be accomplished by 52X CD-RW ($20)

i'll rather have some cheap drives break down than my DVD burner...

i don't think the wear-and-tear from burning DVD+Rs vs. DVD-Rs should be any different....

[vance43211]

actually poopyhead was talking about all that extra spinning and stuff.

i just figure that since it is burning 2 different formats

that might lead to unusual wear and tear

i can be wrong though

???? i made no mention of formats....

all i ever said was to use DVD burners strictly for burning DVDs....not for ripping and not for burning CD-Rs...to decrease wear-and-tear on your $150+ drive

since ripping DVDs can be accomplished by 16X DVD-ROM ($30)

and burning CD-Rs can be accomplished by 52X CD-RW ($20)

i'll rather have some cheap drives break down than my DVD burner...

i don't think the wear-and-tear from burning DVD+Rs vs. DVD-Rs should be any different....

i am not saying that you said anything about formats


i was just thinking along the same lines

a drive that is burning two completely different kinds of discs

probably won't last as long as a drive burning one kind of disc


me, i personally refuse to use my dvd burners to burner cds

as i want to keep less wear and tear on them

[Greenspock]

Here's another link that may be of interest and more wood for the fire

Its also a very good FAQ on DVD's in general.

http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#4.3

[jthompson99]

Get the TDK Indi 440 N dual burner.

Just as good if not better than the Sony burner and it is cost less as well.

[overloaded_ide]

I don't see the point of trying to do that.
Some guys would be happy if they could burn one at a time.

You have a good point, drive leadin leadout and speeds not being equal, stick to one format at a time I guess.

My thought was like doing a camcorder movie for a friend the other day (did 3 of em, full disks) that if someone needed +r and the rest of us are using -r could I burn all the copies at once. But I guess it would be best to burn all -R at one time, then a seperate burn for any +R that might be needed. We were a GROUP of friends and one family moved 1,000 miles or further. So the vacation movie of hers visting them is wanted by the whole group. About 8 copies at least.
Also I been talking to some good bands that perform thier own written songs about doing them a music video. This I would need MANY copies of
Probably some of all formats. Maybe even VCD?

I agree with poopyhead about using different drives for various uses.
I burn CD's with my 52x cd burner, not at 12x with the DVD burner. Faster and the DVD burner I feel will last longer too. Soon as I install a promise IDE card so I can have more drives I will be putting a DVD drive back in for ripping, disk to disk copies, or just playing disks.
Why wear out the burner? Why use Expensive equipment for a cheap purpose

As for all burners becomming dual formats before long I could see that happening soon. I mean if you have $150 dual format drive you have to compeat against, how much can you get for your single format drive, rather + or - doesn't matter. Kinda like plain CD drives dying soon, why buy one for $30 when for $45 you get a 52x burner?
Course just as a useless floppie drive, they will probably always be around, but dead. Although to be fare a floppie does ocasionally have a use still, whereas a single format drive will not do anythng a dual format can't. So there is really no use for the single when prices become the same as a dual.

So when a +r or -R only burner costs $135, but you can buy dual format burners for $150, how many people will be buying what? I know I would be buying Dual formats! When I bought my -R burner the dual format ones were nearly twice the price! So then I'd buy one of each if I needed both. But looking recently, looks like I can get a 4X dually for less than I paid for my 2X-r now
Different brands, but long as they are really good drives I don't care if it's a Toshiba or NEC or Liteon, or whatever, long as it works well and does not have a history of problems! I will be keeping an eye on the new drives and user comments!
But point being, if the majority pay the extra $15 or so for a dually, then a single format drive won't be selling well so why make one if it's not selling? So I think they will all convert sooner or latter.