A Pool - Which method is better for maximum quality?

[digital_EUR]

What are your opinion about which method to get the better quality possible from the following possible:

Transcoding with:
DVD2one or DVDSHRINK or INSTANT COPY

Reenconding with:
TMGENC or CCE

You can distinguish between needs of compression such as:

Movie size until 5 Gb or 6Gb or more

Lets hear your opinion and eperience

[AarontheRipper]

Less than 5gb, DVD2one because it's the fastest.

Over 6gb, CCE because you'll notice a drop-off in quality if you use a transcoder.

[Bob W]

My guess is.
CCE
TMGENC
INSTANT COPY
All the others.

To my eye I can't see a whole lot of difference and I'm happy just to use DVDshrink, DVD2one, or DVDx Xpress for all my backup needs.

[Gurm]

What Aaron said.

- Gurm

[Faustus]

I forgot my swimming trunks!

Anyway... I basicly agree with AarontheRipper on this one, with the difference being I use DVDShrink instead of DVD2one.

[SaSi]

It depends on what you want to do.

If you only want to keep the main movie and it fits within 4.36Gb, then the fastest way is to use DVD2One. Quality is not affected. DVDShrink is slower.

If you only want to keep the main movie and it won't fit within 4.36Gb by little, e.g. 500Mb or so, then DVD2One is faster and better than any other method and it is unlikely you will see any degradation. DVDShrink is not ony slower but also creates bad artifacts.

If your movie will not fit to 4.36Gb by a lot (say the movie by itself is 6~6.5Gb), then the best way is to demux the video, re-encode with CCE and re-author. DVD2One will produce visible artifacts, DVDShrink much worse. The only problem is that DVD2One can finish the task in 20minutes and the alternative with CCE (3 pass VBR) will take 4~6 hours. And you still have to author. If you also need subtitles, add another half hour. If you also need to keep chapters, add another half hour. But quality will be hard to tell compared with the original.

If you want to keep the whole DVD, with the extras and only remove unwanted audio tracks, then DVDShrink is the best solution. You must tolerate some quality loss though.

This quality loss can be decreased if you use DVDShrink to only remove unwanted elements without compression, produce a DVDStructure that will not fit onto a DVDR and then use DVD2One to reduce the size. You can go further and make DVDShrink reduce slightly the quality of some parts (e.g. the extras) so that when DVD2One does the final sliming, it will shave more off the extras than the movie.

[Adder_78]

I like the CCE... 8)

[HideOut]

Instant copy is slower yes, but its quality is usually higher than shrink or 2one. Its just a bit more time consuming.

Ive done 500+ movies with IC now. Its experience talking, not lazyness.

HideOut

EDIT, sorry, forgot to comment bout CCE. I used to make SVCD with it. its awesome quality, no doubt. Its nearly as good as an SVCD with 5.1 sound as my DVDr are. Just the time was killing me. SLOW but beautiful.

[Faustus]

DVDShrink is not ony slower but also creates bad artifacts.

All I use DVDShrink for is level 3 or less compression, and I've NEVER seen bad artifacts.

[Gurm]

I love it when people trash a program because they're ignorant.

"Don't use Windows XP, it suxx0rs and will trash your hard disk!"

"Don't use DVD Shrink, it has bad artifacts!"

F00lZ.

- Gurm

[Adder_78]

EDIT, sorry, forgot to comment bout CCE. I used to make SVCD with it. its awesome quality, no doubt. Its nearly as good as an SVCD with 5.1 sound as my DVDr are. Just the time was killing me. SLOW but beautiful.

Hmmm I can encode 2 hour movie in 1 hour with CCE (Bach metod)... maybe it's slow but the quality is so much better than with those newbie tools 8)

[Pntgrd]

This is my 2 cents worth and what I have found works for me. Let me say up front that my interest is in the main movie and english audio with 5.1 sound. PQ is #1 as I watch on a Widescreen HDTV. If the movie is 2 hours or under, DVDXcopy Express. Beyond 2 hours I uses DVD2DVDR with CCE 3pass and then author to DVDr. If I see a need to retain menus, split the DVD9 with IFO Edit and burn to 2 DVDr's.
The opinions expressed are just my own and are my experience of wht works for me

[HideOut]

Ive not tried DVD2DVDR in ages. It was still VERY new last time I looked at it. I want my menus so thats one reason I choose IC. What is the final product like with 2DVDr? I want MOvie, all extras (at reduced quality though to save space for main movie) and 5.1 AC3 sound in English. No other sounds (specially DTS) or sound languages needed. Can 2DVDr do this with relative ease?

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[Pntgrd]

HideOut, sorry but it is "movie only", no menus. As to PQ, I just did the "enhanced" version of Fellowship of the Ring which has twenty minutes or so more footage. I can't tell the difference between the original on my Hitachi HDTV. It looks spectacular. In fact, I am considering doing ALL my backups this way from now on. I have one computer todo the encoding so time is not a problem.

[Michelle]

Hmmm I can encode 2 hour movie in 1 hour with CCE (Bach metod)... maybe it's slow but the quality is so much better than with those newbie tools 8)

Does one of the guides in your link explain how to encode a 2 hour movie in 1 hour with CCE? That sounds amazing.

[HideOut]

sounds like his 2 for 1 is a 10ghz machine... lol.

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[busipaln]

From the software that ive used so far -

DVDFab for any DVD above 6GB - split to 2 DVD-R's
DVDShrink for TV Episodes, again split to 2 DVD-R's
DVD2one for Movies around 5.5GB on 1 DVD-R
And of course for a DVD-5 Straight Rip and Burn

[Adder_78]

Hmmm I can encode 2 hour movie in 1 hour with CCE (Bach metod)... maybe it's slow but the quality is so much better than with those newbie tools 8)

Does one of the guides in your link explain how to encode a 2 hour movie in 1 hour with CCE? That sounds amazing.

The guide is not ready for DVDR rip (only in finnish), but it's online for DVD -> SVCD so if you understand the method you can easily use it with DVDR too... The english is very poor, but hey I'm from Finland so what can you expect 8)

http://www.mpegit.net/eng_svcd.php

[harrymj3]

Stream rip with Smart Ripper 15 min, author with SpruceUp 30 min, master with Instant Copy (custom settings) 170 min. Excellent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

harrymj3

[jarvis1781]

sounds like his 2 for 1 is a 10ghz machine... lol.

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I can do the same. i'm on a 3.3Ghz machine right now with 1 gig of Geil Golden Dragon PC3500 in dual channel mode with RAID 0. that's how you get the speed

[Cecilio]

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I can do the same. i'm on a 3.3Ghz machine right now with 1 gig of Geil Golden Dragon PC3500 in dual channel mode with RAID 0. that's how you get the speed[/quote]

DAMN thats my dream pc for now. oh and the CCE 2 hour movie in 1 hour, thats no miracle, he just does one pass, which is no good compared to 3 or 4 pass. atleast i think he does one pass, do you? if i do a dvd to dvd using cce, it would take me 1 hour and 30 minutes to make a 2 hour movie, but then again i have an AMD 1900+ xp processor and 1.6 GHZ, so i would say its not as fast but still good

[tgpo]

test ignore me

[Baldrick]

also testing...ignore me...

[Adder_78]

thats no miracle, he just does one pass, which is no good compared to 3 or 4 pass.

LOL... have you ever even try that method? It's not 1 pass multipass vbr. It's One pass VBR. there is quite a big difference between them. Read more Doom9s forum and learn something there before you come here to judge me. 8)