A little tired of the -R is cheaper rant

[leebo]

tompika has just proven my point. My comment wasn't even directed at him, but being a male, he was powerless to resist.

Ditto for me.



He will now be compelled to respond.

[Greenspock]

Whoa! Who needs violence on TV?


Anyway... beer is more popular (billions served yearly)

[tompika]

Anyway... beer is more popular (billions served yearly)

I'm havin' one right now.

And it's not f***ing Corona that's for sure....hehe

[LanEvo7]

Most people that have DVD burners do not burn for professional services. Your average Joe does go through a 50 stack in a week. Some people rather save some money buy just buying slower 1x -R discs and spend 30 min more on a disc. Also there are many people who've had amazing success with the 2x hacks out there for the Pioneer burners with LD discs, Optodiscs and Riteks. So -R in terms of just price is less expensive than +R on average. Of course that may be because of the speed difference.

really?? users bad experiences with Princo does NOT count as fact. there are other reasons for "bad experineces" w/ Princo.

burning proggies themselves impact dvd player compatibility.... and the UDF 1.02 vs UDF 1.05 issue...

also, i know some of those problems are ppl using the hack 2Xall firmware to burn 1X rated media at 2X..obviously, when you burn faster than the rated speed, there may be longevity issues.

furthermore, not all DVD burners are built the same..and with the same quality. taking a page from your book, ppl on the forums have mentioned that certain brands of dvd burners are not as good (maybe it was memorex...or some other brand). hence, ppl may be using these cheapo Princos on burners that are very picky on media and cannot handle Princos. most websites have a DVD burner compatibility chart of the various media they sell. if someone uses the Princos for a burner not directly stated to be compatible with Princos, then they're taking a risk.

You can go on defending Princo's, but its an undeniable fact that a majority of they have issues. The biggest one seems to be with burning all the way to the end of the discs(the 4 gig area is usually where they have issues). The movie starts freezin, pixilation starts to occur, etc. There are many, many people that report these errors. I don't think they are all lying to ruin Princo. You can read their comments and the majority burn the 1x Princos at 1x and they say they have problems. I guess they are all using the wrong procedures to burn right?

[sapiendut]

The logic for me buying -R is very simple.

1. DVD-R burner was $50 cheaper than than the +R counterpart. $50 savings there.

2. DVD-R medias were about 50c cheaper than DVD+R medias. At the time of purchase, I bought 1000 pieces. Another $500 savings there.

So, the difference between DVD-R and DVD+R at the time of purchase was $550. A no brainer.

BTW, the price difference between the two formats are "merely" 20 cents. However, considering I buy them in a bulk of 500 to 1000 per month, I'm still saving between $100 to $200 per month.

Lemme think again? Should I buy DVD+R or DVD-R? DUH!

[iooi]

Never get these mine's better than your arguments etc...
I looked at it like this.
My panasonic dvd player will only play dvd-r disks so the burner i bought has to support burning dvd-r otherwise its a wasted purchase. Hence getting a pioneer 105 could have got a duel format one but what would be the point...I would just be wasting my money...

[sapiendut]

to add my experience about Princo media.

I bought (so far) about 5000 Princo media in spindles of 50. From all of them, 1 spindle of 50 (the entire spindle) can not be burned higher than 4Gb. The rest, however, are flawless.

Now I'm still using Princo 4x DVD-R at (approx) US$ 1 each (including shipping) at the rate of 500 - 1000 discs per month. No failure so far.

[poopyhead]

I guess they are all using the wrong procedures to burn right?

could be....or perhaps their dvd players/burners don't work well with Princos...

if you would've READ my post completely...i mentioned that Princo's burner compatibility chart needs to be followed...if a Princo wasn't tested to be burned by your particular brand/model...then, it's your risk. last time i saw, there weren't that many burners on the list (i bought Pioneer A04 because it was specifically on the list)....you could try and c if your burner handles Princos correctly, but that's a risk you're gonna have to take. there shouldn't be any need to complain if someone uses a burner NOT on the list to burn Princos and then have problems.

as for DVD players...using those cheap Apex (plays everything, but hella cheap parts and quality) or even those expensive Sonys (really picky on format and media) to play Princos and then complain about them.. well then, it's more of the combination of player/Princo that's at fault here.

even those expensive sony models have had problems with good brand media (i.e. Fuji DVD+R)

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so yes...Princos are cheap..and the same can be said of quality...

HOWEVER, there are many, many factors why these Princos may not play well..so just assuming it's the media's fault without first making sure everything else is perfect (storage, burner, DVD player, burn method, etc...) then don't buy the cheap media...... if you're gonna mess around.

[vance43211]

The logic for me buying -R is very simple.

1. DVD-R burner was $50 cheaper than than the +R counterpart. $50 savings there.

2. DVD-R medias were about 50c cheaper than DVD+R medias. At the time of purchase, I bought 1000 pieces. Another $500 savings there.

So, the difference between DVD-R and DVD+R at the time of purchase was $550. A no brainer.

BTW, the price difference between the two formats are "merely" 20 cents. However, considering I buy them in a bulk of 500 to 1000 per month, I'm still saving between $100 to $200 per month.

Lemme think again? Should I buy DVD+R or DVD-R? DUH!

you and tx must have missed the original post.

go to any big electronic store now

the key word is NOW

not yesterday or last year

but now

the prices are the same

i don't know about you

but the only time i spend money online

is when i get a gigantic discount (like something that costs $500.00 but they might have it online for $100.00)

[poopyhead]

but the only time i spend money online

is when i get a gigantic discount (like something that costs $500.00 but they might have it online for $100.00)

sorry vance43211, but a lot of ppl buy things from online that they could otherwise get at a retailer.

this way we don't have to drive to the store..UPS/Fedex can just deliver to home or work... same reason why ppl use NetFlix over BB.

also, if you buy from outta state, you can avoid taxes...so, if you're spending thousands of dollars, that ends up quite a lot of money saved on taxes.

[vance43211]

but the only time i spend money online

is when i get a gigantic discount (like something that costs $500.00 but they might have it online for $100.00)

sorry vance43211, but a lot of ppl buy things from online that they could otherwise get at a retailer.

this way we don't have to drive to the store..UPS/Fedex can just deliver to home or work... same reason why ppl use NetFlix over BB.

also, if you buy from outta state, you can avoid taxes...so, if you're spending thousands of dollars, that ends up quite a lot of money saved on taxes.

i understand that, but around here

there is a lot of fraud going on

you order things and you either don't get them or get a broken piece of equipment

so i try to be careful when i order things

or i just got to the store to get it

[poopyhead]

there is a lot of fraud going on

you order things and you either don't get them or get a broken piece of equipment

so i try to be careful when i order things

yea...that's what reviews are for....

and if i find one company i like, i tend to stick with it....

[sapiendut]

go to any big electronic store now

the key word is NOW

not yesterday or last year

but now

the prices are the same

i don't know about you

but the only time i spend money online

is when i get a gigantic discount (like something that costs $500.00 but they might have it online for $100.00)

If I go to a big electronics store RIGHT NOW, the price of either DVD-R or DVD+R will be Cdn $5 each. Do you think I'm stupid enough to buy that where I can go to any other non "big electronic store" and buy the exact same thing (same brand, same package, same EVERYTHING) for only Cdn $1.99 (DVD-R) and $2.19 (DVD+R)? I'm not even buying it in bulk!

In FACT, I just bought a 5-pack Memorex DVD-R from Futureshop near my house (big enough for you?) for $12.99 and they sell 5-pack Memorex DVD+R for $14.97. I went to that Futureshop at approximately 5pm TODAY. Recent enough for you? Or is that considered "yesterday's" price to you?

The purchase cost of these medias is DIFFERENT, if I want to purchase +R from a factory, I WILL have to pay more than -R. IT'S THE FACT OF LIFE!!!!

Should the reseller CHOOSE to sell it at the same price, then IT'S THEIR CHOICE.

HOWEVER, it DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT that the cost of +R is IN FACT higher than -R.

THE FACTS have been shown to you and you are just assuming that everybody are so dumb that they go to big electronics store.

REMEMBER: the blanks I bought are from a regular store, not even an online store, for an online store, the price difference between +R and - R is greater. At the factory level is even greater.

THE ABOVE ARE FACTS.

TODAY'S FACT FROM A BIG ELECTRONIC STORE, in fact.

[Supreme2k]

Macs are better than PCs.

Discuss...

[defense]

@sapiendut...that electronics store you are talking about isn't Nationwide. You need to do a little research before you start rambling on. You have no clue what you are talking about. As I said as well as Vance, you go to ANY of the Major NATIONWIDE RETAILERS...let's not confuse you...so we'll say BEST BUY for example....check their prices of BOTH +R and -R media and report back where you see a difference.


You check the online sites and you are comparing the lowest speed +R Media with the lowest speed -R media and you get what you pay for. You want a disk to burn faster, you pay for it. If you only have a +R burner, tough shit...you have to pay A LITTLE extra ONLINE. You take the same speed media from a MAJOR NATIONWIDE RETAILER and there usually is no difference in price.

Another thing is that +R media is going to be on sale more then -R because -R media goes like hotcakes WITHOUT A SALE. Why the hell would any retailer have a sale for something that is going to sell out ANYWAY? lmao..they still do have -R sales, but that's only because of one word. ....."COMPETITION." And that makes prices better for everyone.


And Vance made another solid point....it doesn't make sense to purchase media online unless you personally want 1x media that's of a lower quality. Right now prices on 4x media are extremely reasonable..as a matter of fact, they are cheaper by HALF 2x media was going for just months ago. I remember back around January, Verbatim and most other 2x media was going for at LEAST $3 A PIECE or $45 for a 15 pack spindle. Now you can get media TWICE AS FAST for at least $1 less then that..and often times almost $2 less. Online sites are better for generic media...no doubt....because major retailers simply don't carry generic media..and the few instances you find it...it's extremely rare. Go to Best BUY and tell me what generic DVD media they offer. COMPUSA does offer their own GENERIC media..but for $1 a piece when they are on sale..your still better going to an online site.

You want quality media...online is NOT the way to go...at least not NOW..NOT TODAY....Yesterday it was, and maybe tomorrow it will be....but not TODAY.


@sapiendut, I stand corrected if this is the futuretech you were referring to.

http://www.futureshop.ca/FSStoreLocator/StoreLocator.asp?logon=&langid=EN&dept=0&WLBS=fsweb8

That store is overseas and not in the U.S. My post as well as Vance's were referring to major retailers in the U.S. I guess I should of been more specific because people on this board are from all over the world.....but I did also see you refer to canadian dollars...so i'd assume they have a Best Buy in Canada...and if that's where you live...then the post I wrote still applies.

[vance43211]

go to any big electronic store now

the key word is NOW

not yesterday or last year

but now

the prices are the same

i don't know about you

but the only time i spend money online

is when i get a gigantic discount (like something that costs $500.00 but they might have it online for $100.00)

If I go to a big electronics store RIGHT NOW, the price of either DVD-R or DVD+R will be Cdn $5 each. Do you think I'm stupid enough to buy that where I can go to any other non "big electronic store" and buy the exact same thing (same brand, same package, same EVERYTHING) for only Cdn $1.99 (DVD-R) and $2.19 (DVD+R)? I'm not even buying it in bulk!

In FACT, I just bought a 5-pack Memorex DVD-R from Futureshop near my house (big enough for you?) for $12.99 and they sell 5-pack Memorex DVD+R for $14.97. I went to that Futureshop at approximately 5pm TODAY. Recent enough for you? Or is that considered "yesterday's" price to you?

The purchase cost of these medias is DIFFERENT, if I want to purchase +R from a factory, I WILL have to pay more than -R. IT'S THE FACT OF LIFE!!!!

Should the reseller CHOOSE to sell it at the same price, then IT'S THEIR CHOICE.

HOWEVER, it DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT that the cost of +R is IN FACT higher than -R.

THE FACTS have been shown to you and you are just assuming that everybody are so dumb that they go to big electronics store.

REMEMBER: the blanks I bought are from a regular store, not even an online store, for an online store, the price difference between +R and - R is greater. At the factory level is even greater.

THE ABOVE ARE FACTS.

TODAY'S FACT FROM A BIG ELECTRONIC STORE, in fact.

never mind.

i see defense already broke it down to you

in ohio

we don't have that price discrepancy

-r cost as much as +r

[poopyhead]

yikes...still quoting EVERYTHING

[vance43211]

to all of the -r people

who saved all of this money

Can I borrow $500.00?

[sapiendut]

first of all, YOU have to do research, or at least... uhm... learn to read properly.

It's FUTURESHOP and not FUTURETECH

FUTURESHOP is a NATIONAL WIDE BIGASS ELECTRONICS STORE in CANADA... you know, other country than America, just in case you don't remember that there are other first-world countries in the world other than America.

Also they have Bestbuy. In fact, Bestbuy own Futureshop... you know, just like you've advised people to do... DO SOME RESEARCH!!!!.

BTW, many BestBuy in Canada does NOT even carry +R media. If any, they'll carry a brand or two whereas they carry at least 5 different brands and speed of -R media.

Yeah... do some research.

[defense]

FUTURESHOP is a NATIONAL WIDE BIGASS ELECTRONICS STORE in CANADA... you know, other country than America, just in case you don't remember that there are other first-world countries in the world other than America

LMAO....I posted the link after I wrote the article, figuring you were in Canada. Read my post...you Canadians can at least read English, right? The majority of people responding to this particular post live in the U.S and my post as well as Vance's were geared at the people who live in the U.S. After I wrote the post I realized you probably lived in Canda, and the link I posted is for "FUTURE SHOP"..not Future Tech as I incorrectly WROTE.


Either way...I can't comment on the media situation in Canada because I don't know enough about it...I also can't comment on media overseas.

Either way, after I realized you were in Canada, I amended the post. You now know the posts wrote initially were referring to media in the U.S at major retailers and you are still trying to make a moot point. Your brain is still boggled...damn...you Canadians are somethin' else....enjoy that Memorex media....you bought the DVD-R's which are some of the crappiest media on the market...but i'm sure they'll work differently for a Candian....and damn...spendin' all that money on crappy media......what a waste....Princo may even be better then those CMC crap disks.

[lordsmurf]

As somebody that has been to both Canada and the USA, know that Future Shop is Best Buy. It has a different name for legal/corporate reasons, though I have no clue what the reasoning is. There's a lot of Canadian stores that are really USA stores in disguise.

I don't know why everybody assumes cheap media is all you can get online. I'd rather take Optodisc or Ritek (from allmediaoutlet.com) any day of the week, which is high quality media, over anything offered in my local stores (Office Depot, Office Max, CompUSA, Best Buy, Circuit City, etc). If I go to the stores here, it'll only be for Apple or Maxell discs, nothing else. I won't go near Fuji, Verbatim, Memorex, Kypher, and the lot of them. Bad experiences with them all.

Regular prices for -R seems to be the same as sales for +R media. It's just that -R never has sales, and +R is always on sale. That's what I'm seeing.

[leebo]

As somebody that has been to both Canada and the USA, know that Future Shop is Best Buy. There's a lot of Canadian stores that are really USA stores in disguise.

sapiendut,

Just a friendly reminder. Could you please tell Canada they're a little behind on this months rent? I hear the US would love to keep them as tenants.

[sapiendut]

found the weapon of mass destruction yet?

[leebo]

Found the cheaper +R yet?

[defense]

LordSmurf said:

I don't know why everybody assumes cheap media is all you can get online. I'd rather take Optodisc or Ritek (from allmediaoutlet.com) any day of the week, which is high quality media, over anything offered in my local stores (Office Depot, Office Max, CompUSA, Best Buy, Circuit City, etc).

Actually, i'm wondering how you or anyone else could purchase media online. First, Ritek and Optodisk are good, high quality disks..but they aren't as good as Ricoh manufactured disks. The average parity errors of Ritek and Optodisk are higher then with Ricoh and the success rate is better with Ricoh manufactured disks. Ricoh manufacturer's most of the DVD+R/RW media for Giants like Sony, TDK, and Memorex.

Ritek still hasn't come up with a fully compatible 4x disk which will burn consistently @4x. I have 50 Ritek 4x disks right here, and none of them burn @4x in my Sony burners. However, all 3 of the disks mentioned above, all made by Ricoh, burn flawlessly @4x in not only the Sony burners..but all other 4x burners as well.

In addition, the Ritek and Optodisks are heavily overpriced online. It has also been said that alot of the lower speed 1 and 2x Optodisks simply aren't as high of quality as the 4x optodisks. With this being said....you take the price of the 4x Optodisks and the 4x Riteks...and at their BEST price online..they can't compete with any of the major retailers when they have their sales on media. CompUsa just had 40% off those Memorex disks..Best Buy has had several sales in recent weeks...as has Office Depot and Target.

All of which have yielded higher quality media at lower prices. So why anybody right now would purchase media online makes little sense...unless of course they are purchasing 1x disks. Then I'd agree the pennies they save can add up...but not enough for me. I'd rather spend a few extra pennies and get media which burns 3 times as fast and is of a higher quality.

But if you enjoy buying media online....keep buying it....buy em' buy the thousands...your really doing those sites a favor by spending money on those disks when you could get a better deal elsewhere. 8)

sapiendut,

Just a friendly reminder. Could you please tell Canada they're a little behind on this months rent? I hear the US would love to keep them as tenants.

Found the cheaper +R yet?

[register_reg]

I think the most important factor is compatability. From my initial testing the +R media does not play on my laptop or my other dvd-drive. The +r folks know that have some serious compatiblity problems with older drives and the producers have lowered the prices because people are not buying the +r media. The -r format is going to make a comeback. Why do you think so many companies are now shipping dual format drives....

If you go around to the stores you can't get 4x-r media, just the 4x+r media that only plays on +r drives. The retailers know this that is why they are dumping it and selling the 4x-r media.

[vance43211]

I think the most important factor is compatability. From my initial testing the +R media does not play on my laptop or my other dvd-drive. The +r folks know that have some serious compatiblity problems with older drives and the producers have lowered the prices because people are not buying the +r media. The -r format is going to make a comeback. Why do you think so many companies are now shipping dual format drives....

If you go around to the stores you can't get 4x-r media, just the 4x+r media that only plays on +r drives. The retailers know this that is why they are dumping it and selling the 4x-r media.

update your filmware

you can do that with old dvd standalones too.


that make what you just said a false statement

[register_reg]

I checked the firmwire sites and my firewire is not upgradable. So my statement is not false.

[vance43211]

go to the filmware site

here

[Bob W]

I was at CompUSA here in Reno, Nevada yesterday and they had the CompUSA brand DVD-R (which burn at 2x on my Sony) selling for $45 for a 50 pack, now that's cheap.