Stumped with TMPGEnc!?!?

[skip2mylou]

hey everybody,
i have got a problem with TMPGEnc and it is really bothering me. the problem is that i encode an MPEG then after i encode it, i test itusing both Realone Player and Windows Media Player. on both programs, however, partly into the movie, the voice and mouth actions are not synchronized, u know what i mean. the voice talks then like 2 seconds later, the mouth moves, and it doesnt go away. thinking that TMPGEnc was the best encoder, i thought that maybe my computer had something to do with it. but i kept playing the same file on both players and the same results occured. still convinced that my computer was to blame, i burn the file onto a DVD and played it on my TV, and the same thing. can anybody please help me? thanks.

[poopyhead]

1) is the audio outta sync by the SAME amount throughout the movie

or

2) does the audio get progressively out of sync???

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for problem (1), in tmpgenc's advanced setting, there is a filter called "source range". if you go into it, there's an "audio skew" feature that allows you to set how much earlier or later the audio should start.

for problem (2), most likely it's a framerate issue....

[skip2mylou]

the problem is number 2
can u please help me and give me tips on what i should do?

[poopyhead]

is your video output 29.97 fps or 23.976 fps??

if it is the latter, you need to enable 3:2 pulldown

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btw, DVD specs requires audio to be at 48 Khz, while for the most part, (S)VCD audio is at 44.1 Khz

[skip2mylou]

23.976

[poopyhead]

23.976

did you enable 3:2 pulldown???

also, make sure to NOT check the box next to "interlaced"

[skip2mylou]

ok i just started out fresh right now. i enabled the 3:2 pulldown and set everything. now the file is encoding. it will take about 4 hours (long movie) and i will let u know when its done, and i will inform u of the results. thanks so much.

-skip2mylou

[Craig Tucker]

What was your source file.

If it was divx or xvid, it is likely that the audio was encoded with variable bitrate audio. TMPGEnc cannot handle this type of audio stream well and when you encode you will find you have sync problems. You need to save the audio as an uncompressed wav file and use this wav file as your audio source in TMPGEnc. You can use virtual dub to do this.

[skip2mylou]

hey thanks everyone for the help. i figured that it might help if i told u what i wanted to do. well:

1) using Pinnacle Moviebox USB, i captured an analog tape and then converted it to MPEG (only using Pinnacle). it worked fine.
2) i then wanted to put it on a DVD so i encoded it with TMPGEnc and i tested it, and i realized that throughout the movie, it was getting progressively out of sync.
3) i tried poopyhead's advice wiht the 3:2 pulldown but still the same results.

now i am stumped, what should i do?

BTW i made a mistake, the movie was 29.97 fps

[poopyhead]

@skip2mylou,

if your output is 29.97 fps, then you should check the "interlace" box..and NOT "3:2 pulldown"

in advanced menu, your source will be "interlaced"

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btw, have you tried this guide?? https://www.videohelp.com/mpeg2tovcd.htm

this is assuming that you're converting SVCD MPEG-2 (if this is what Pinnacle made) to DVD compliant MPEG-2.

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if Pinnacle encoded a VCD MPEG-1 for you, then there's a much simpler way to author that to DVD w/o even converting/re-encoding

[skip2mylou]

@ poopyhead

pinnacle just converted to a regular MPEG.
isnt a regular MPEG an MPEG-1?
so what is the easier way?

[nkuperw]

Your audio is not at the same framerate as the video. Is the video going faster than the audio or is the audio going faster than the video? have you tried craigtuckers suggesiton?

also, you don't need to use tmpenc to make the audio. Most authoring programs will do the muxing with a seperate audio feed. I generally find this to be a better solution because I can save the audio in different formats (ac3) and make more space on the DVD. You just need to make sure that the audio is at the same framerate as the video and that it is sampled at 48khz (dvd specs)

[poopyhead]

isnt a regular MPEG an MPEG-1?
so what is the easier way?

VCD MPEG-1 and SVCD MPEG-2 can both have .mpg extensions...you need to find out which one you have.

VCD: https://www.videohelp.com/vcd

SVCD: https://www.videohelp.com/svcd

[skip2mylou]

@ nkuperw

hey thanks for pointing that out. i just re-read Craig Tucker's explaination and i think i will try that.

@ craig tucker

can u give me exact directions on how to do what you suggested and also how to encode only video on TMPGEnc. also how to mux them, thanks.

@ poopyhead

how do i tell which one i ahve, i mean it is just a regular MPEG like WMP or Realone play, u know.

@everyone

thanks for posting and helping me out

[poopyhead]

@skip2mylou,

you wouldn't by any chance happen to have either PowerDVD or WinDVD installed????

if not, i'm guessing you have yourself a VCD MPEG-1.

in this case, VCD specs are actually supported by DVD specs...which means you do NOT need to convert/re-encode your VCD MPEG-1 into DVD compliant MPEG-2 to burn a standard, compliant DVD.

you can actually author the VCD directly onto a DVD and it should be standard, compliant...

however, you do have to upsample your audio from 44.1 Khz (VCD) to 48 Khz (DVD)

look here: https://www.videohelp.com/vcddvdr.htm

[skip2mylou]

@ poopyhead

hey good news, i have got PowerDVD installed on my comp. but i tried just authoring the MPEG onto a DVD with lead MF but it was outa sync.

[poopyhead]

hrm...

1) try loading the .mpg into PowerDVD....it should mention somewhere that it's either a VCD or SVCD....find that and tell me

2) did you get all the settings in ulead correct?? may wanna look over the settings used in the guide i linked earlier

3) outta sync only in dvd player or also in PC as well??...i'm referring to the DVD, not the .mpg before you burned it...

[skip2mylou]

how do i load the mpeg into PowerDVD?

[Craig Tucker]

How to save VBR audio as an uncompressed WAV file

[skip2mylou]

@ craig tucker

thanks man. i tried what you said and so far as we post, TMPGEnc is encoding. but to burn, the guides only tell me how to burn to (s)vcd, what about DVD?

[skip2mylou]

hey craig, i tried what you suggested, but the same results happened, now what?

[poopyhead]

@skip2mylou,

hey...the DVD you authored with Ulead Movie Factory..was it outta sync in your dvd player or also on your PC???

[skip2mylou]

yep both.

[poopyhead]

try burning at 1X...maybe even try on different brand media

[skip2mylou]

@ poopyhead

i guess i should have told u this but i only author with Ulead, then i burn with Nero. but before i burned it, i tested the mpeg file in the video_ts folder and it was outa sync, but i thought that it was my comp's fault so i burned it anyways and played it on my comp with PowerDVD, it was outa sync. i still thought that it was my conp's fault, so i played it on my DVD player, then it was outa sync there too. wat do i do, seriously i m goin crazy. right now i am encoding my mpeg but video only. then i am using Virtualdub to make an uncompressed .wav like craig tucker advised, then i will mux them, then author then burn them, i hope it works. this time though, i am gonna use TMPGEnc DVD Author to author. thanks u guys.

[skip2mylou]

ahhh! i just cant win ith this TMPGEnc stuff. i did this and hoped that it would solve my problem:
1) i encoded the original MPEG on Stream type: System [video only]
2) then using Virtualdub, i saved a wav file from the MPEG
3) then i encoded the already encoded only video file and the saved wav file into one with Stream type: System [video + audio]

but when it finished encoding, the sound became progressively earlier outa sync, meaning that the ound would come first, then the mouth would move. what do i do now?

[poopyhead]

@skip2mylou,

in TMPGEnc,

video: try making your output 29.97 fps NTSC interlaced (no 3:2 pulldown)

[skip2mylou]

@ poopyhead

i did, i followed this guide but iam still stuck! argh! oh yeah, the site:
http://dvd-hq.info/Compression.html