Playing just the audio of a VCD in a regular CD player?

[sjaguar13]

My friend wants a VCD because she thinks it will play just the audio in a VCD player. Someone she knows told her to make it a standard MPEG-1 format, and it will work. I don't think this is possible. It will be a data CD. Am I doing something wrong, or does the guy she's talking to have it confused with an enhanced CD or something?

[pixel]

It is not possible to play the VCD audio in a regular CD player.

On VCD's the audio is MPEG1/2, but on a CD the audio is wave format and this is all the CD player can read.

[sjaguar13]

If you had a CD player that could play MP3s (but not VCDs), could it just do the audio, or not?

[DVO]

I'm not sure but with VideoPack 4 for example you could make still pictures with audio. This audio is mpeg-1 layer 2 and if you put only audio on the disc (mpeg-1 layer 2) you should be able to fit up to 10 hours of audio. But I read that mpeg-1 layer 2 audio on still pictures are not in the VCD standard so I'm not a 100% about it. I've been thinking about making such a disc but I haven't still (coz my DVD-player plays mp3). VCD has also the ability to contain ordinary audio tracks, that VCD will play as a VCD in a VCD-player and like a audio CD in a CD-player, (I've tested that).

You can try to make a menu with audio using Uleads trialware.

[DVO]

"If you had a CD player that could play MP3s (but not VCDs), could it just do the audio, or not?"

I pretty sure no, beacause the audio is multiplexed w/ the video. But it depends on the player. Why not make mp3 if the CD-player support it?

[pixel]

If you had a CD player that could play MP3s (but not VCDs), could it just do the audio, or not?

I'm guessing no, but its something to try. Give us some feedback if you do try. (If you do actually try it I would make it a data CD)

(Its like saying a DVD player can play MPEG2 so it should automatically play MPEG1).

[sjaguar13]

This is what she wants to do. Her boyfriend is a drummer in a local band. They want to make an audio CD and then a video CD. She was told that she could save money if she put them on the same CD. We can't figure out if we burn it as a VCD or what. She wants it to play in a DVD/VCD player. If we burn the audio first and leave it open, then go back and burn the videos (like an enhanced CD), will the videos work in a VCD player, or not because it was burned later?

[pixel]

You will have to burn it all at once then close the session because I don't think DVD/VCD players are capable of reading multisessions.

If it is only on a DVD player you want to play it you coulds try burning a vcd with a mixture of audio and videos as well but it will only play on a DVD player (not a Hi-Fi).

BTW great way to promote a band

EDIT: Just a thought; you could use a program like Ulead DVD Workshop and with the vcd profile make a menu with audio playing in the background. This will mean you can have menu's of the different audio tracks (like some bands professionally created DVD's) and just put the videos on as normal.

To undertand the above you will probably need some experience in creating DVD's or using DVDWS.

[gizmofanv]

I'm not sure if you are looking for this or not.

I had a mpeg-1 file to burn into vcd. But i changed my mind to burn a dvd instead. In order to burn to dvd I (not knowingly, ripped,de-mux, or whatever correct word is)had to convert to mpeg-2. when put it through TMPGEnc plus to convert to mpeg-2, application gave me two separate files mpeg-2(video) and avi(audio) files. you could convert this avi (audio) to cd or mp3.

[pixel]

I'm not sure if you are looking for this or not.

I had a mpeg-1 file to burn into vcd. But i changed my mind to burn a dvd instead. In order to burn to dvd I (not knowingly, ripped,de-mux, or whatever correct word is)had to convert to mpeg-2. when put it through TMPGEnc plus to convert to mpeg-2, application gave me two separate files mpeg-2(video) and avi(audio) files. you could convert this avi (audio) to cd or mp3.

I think he wants to make a fully compatible disc in VCD format to save money. Especially as it is a promo for a band.

Just tried the solution in DVDWS I had suggested above and it seems like that's the way to go to creat a compliant VCD with songs and videos

[Cornucopia]

Trying to clear up a little misinformation:

1. VCD's DO support CD-Audio tracks. It's in the VCD 1.1 and 2.0 spec. It isn't, however, available on SVCD. Some people around here call this an "AVCD" and you could get a number of threads on the subject if you do a search of this site for it.

2. This type of disc should work in all players that fully support the VCD spec. Unfortunately, not all do. Regardless, it is more convenient for the user and stores if it's all on one disc. 8)

3. The apps that explicitly support CD-Audio tracks (which always should go after all the other tracks, and on a single session burn) are:

• Philips VCD2Toolkit
  Cequadrat (roxio) VideoPak 4 (poss v5)
  Cequadrat (roxio) WinOnCD (v?)
  Adaptec (roxio) Toast 4 or 5

...other programs can do it with a kludge (VCDImager, CDRWIN/Fireburner). Apps like Nero or EZCD prob can't be made to do it.

4. Know beforehand that AudioCD players will vary depending on whether they will auto-skip the non-Audio tracks. The great majority of those that don't auto-skip will just play silence, but there is the possibility of digital hash-noise. Watch out!

5. If you decide to forego (sp?) this route and use MPEGs and MP3's, your best bet would be a Multisession type Enhanced CD, but there are some player inconsistencies there, too.

6. On another tack, Videopak and VCDToolkit can make VCD-spec LEGAL mpg stills with underlying muxed audio.

7. Just so you know about this option: If you go with MP3-capbable CD players, you can always use VCD-audio MP2's instead--just rename them to *.mp3 and you're good to go. It should be able to read it fine. YMMV of course. This way you may not have to re-encode. The only thing is that mp2 is less quality efficient than mp3.

8. A very few DVD/VCD/CDaudio players will support multi-session type discs, so don't count on that option. The Enhanced CD type stuff should just be primarily for the PC/Mac computer audience.

HTH,
Scott

[sjaguar13]

So I can burn an AVCD with the videos first, then the audio tracks? It will work in VCD players and in regular CD players?

[mybook4]

I don't think half the people in this thread know what you want. If I were you, I would make a VCD with the audio tracks first and the video tracks last. This VCD would be a 2.0 and have a menu that would show up as soon as the disc was inserted into a dvd player. On the menu, you can link up the choices to the latter tracks (the ones with the video). This would be the best way because when you put the cd into a cd player, the first tracks would be music and the user would not have to go past the video tracks. On a dvd player, you can bypass the audio tracks using the menu of the vcd.

[poopyhead]

@Cornucopia,

i believe standard SVCD does support CD audio...

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enough of all the talking....

@sjaguar13,

very simple guide here to add audio to your (S)VCD: https://www.videohelp.com/forum/userguides/113432.php

[Cornucopia]

mybook4,
I know what the mate wants and I know what I'm talking about. You WILL NOT BE ABLE to make a VCD 2.0 disc with (CD) Audio tracks first (Of course, I'd love to be proven wrong about this one). Also, I have never seen "menu-able" CD Audio tracks, although it might be possible in the spec.

poopyhead,
sorry to break it to you--
You can check with the Philips site, the SVCD spec does NOT support CD Audio tracks, just VCD. That guide is partly misprinted. Also, that guide is one of those "kludge" methods I was referring to.

sjaguar13,
Yes, you are correct in your last assumption. If you have Q's about how to go about it, let me know which app you're going to use and I'll do what I can to assist.

Scott

[poopyhead]

well..

here's the long, drawn-out post of the guide i linked to: https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=113432


dunno if they ever created a true "AVCD"...but may have come close if you scroll down the thread....