Movies skip and jump

[PunkJr]

Hi, this is my first post in the forum and I am new to DVD backing up. I have backed up several movies mostly with X Copy Xpress and a few with DVD Shrink. They work fine in my DVD Rom but when I play them in my componenet DVD player alot of them skip. Mostly towards the end of the movie. I have tried to slow my burn to 1x but I always get SCSI Target Error. I do not get this at 2x. I am not sure as to whether 1x burns will fix this problem but I can't burn at 1x anyway. The media I use is Shintaro 1x but it is detected by Nero, Record Now Max and Copy Xpress as 2x media. I run on XP Pro. Can anyone offer me any advise?

[mkelley]

Most importantly, test your movies on a couple of different players to see if they have the same problems. First thing you need to eliminate is your standalone player from the equation -- make sure you test on at least two other players that are both from different makers (IOW, try a Sony and a Panasonic if you have a Pioneer). And make sure they are recent (new) players: you can usually go to Circuit City or Best Buy and try things out without hassles.

If the movies still have problems in the same places then you know it's your disks. You don't have labels on them, do you? And you're not overburning? Try it with a movie you don't have to compress -- a DVD5 you can just rip (using DVDDecrypter or some such) to your hard drive and copy over.

Finally, you'll have to eliminate the media -- buy a single high quality disk and try it out (buy TDK or Verbatim). If it still has problems it may be how you are burning your disks... or it may be the burner itself.

Troubleshooting is all about eliminating possibilities.

[Hardcoreruss]

What media are you using

[PunkJr]

Thanks for the reply. I have tried it in two other players and the movies still jump. I just bought 4 TDK Armout Plated 2x disks and one of those still jumped. I have backed up XXX which isn't compressed (just the menus etc removed) and this still jumped. So it must be my burner or the way it is burnt or ripped. Any clues to why I can't burn at 1x? Is it a media issue?

[PunkJr]

The media I am using is Shintaro DVD-R 1x. It is detected by all the burning programmes that I have used as 2x.
I have the latest firmware for my burner aswell.

[mkelley]

And you're not putting labels on these disks, right? (They have been known to cause problems like you describe).

I'd still be worried about overburning -- when you use Record Now, like on your XXX movie, how much free space is left? And you *are* creating a data disk and just dragging over the AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS folders?

If after all that I'd vote for your burner having problems -- I assume this is a relatively new burner, since you just started doing this. You may want to return it and get another one.

[maveric4001]

Nice to see such itelligence mKelley, sorry punkjr for not being able to offer advise but if its any consilation I'me having similar problems with the pauses but funny enough I have tried on a different standalone and the are not seen.

mKelley could you explaine what you mean by make sure you are not overburning, and is it possible that my situation is a media one and that trial and error with different media will fix the problem.

Thanks to you all

Maveric

[mkelley]

Depending on the software you use overburning could be on by default -- basically it allows you to burn more data than fits the "standard". Most burning software will show you the amount of free space left as you are setting up your burn, and obviously if you have free space you haven't overburned.

I was worried about that as an issue since the problems he was having were exhibited towards the end of his movies, and burning proceeds from the inside out. Edge problems might be overburn issues, media problems, label issues, etc.

If your burns play on another player then it's probably a sign that the burn is good and it's just the player you have (or are using) that's sketchy. Better media might help if it's a case where the media is not good enough, but you can always test this easily by buying even one piece of high quality media (like TDK) and doing the same burn with the same movie -- if it works then you've isolated your problem (if not, then you've done something nearly as important: eliminated the media).

Another rule of troubleshooting -- change only one parameter at a time.

[maveric4001]

Thanks mKelley for the reply,

That explains overburning and Im not doing that.
Is there prefered burn engine you would recommend.

When you say better media might help do you mean more expensive cos Ive tried unbranded writek G04 and they exhibit the same results.
The G04 does seem to be highly rated here does it not.

Is it better to burn on 1 speed disks or 4 speed, or does the burn speed not make any difference

One thing I do find strange though is that you can burn a particular movie to say a writek and its perfect, burn a completely different movie to the same kind of media and it pauses, skips. Hard to know if its the media or the movie itself.

You mention TDK do you rate these.

thanks

Maveric

[mkelley]

I like Record Now, but I've also used Nero with good success (IMHO Nero is a little trickier to use, although more powerful).

Yes, a quality media like TDK -- and not something you buy in bulk. This isn't to say you can't buy and successfully use bulk media, but when you are troubleshooting it isn't a good time to introduce variables.

All things being equal it shouldn't matter what burn speed you are using -- but once again, you need to make all things equal first. If you are using hacks to increase your burn speed by all means do not use them (and burn slower); but if your burner supports higher burns and you are using quality non-bulk media I wouldn't give it a second thought.

Only after you have gotten burning down correctly can you then take the time and experiment to find out which is the cheapest media you can use -- but only then.

[poopyhead]

"outer edge" problems occur with certain media (mostly cheaper media) in which the outer edge of the DVD has a hard time being played by the DVD player, but not on the PC.

some symptoms: blockiness, skips, stutters, and eventual freezing.

i use cheapo 1X Princo DVD-R...some exhibit this problem (occurs on last 80 MB on DVD-R.....i.e. greater than 4400 MB), but so far my pioneer dv333 hasn't had too much trouble with the "outer edge," but i know it depends alot on your dvd player as some are better than others.

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@mkelley,

i've heard alot lately about labels perhaps affecting dvd playback...but i've always put labels (and used markers on the same disc) and never really had a problem....even on the DVD-Rs. some CD-Rs on going on 3+ years and still playback great.... weird, i guess..

however, i've only used those rectangular address labels, not those full CD stomper labels..so not sure exactly which labels ppl are referring to.

[maveric4001]

thanks to you all Im going to try the burn on a TDK will let you know how I get on

Once again thank you all for your help

Maveric

[kimmy]

Is your operating system a fat32? The problem you are referring to was happening to my friend and she was told by a guy that worked at Pioneer to change from a fat32 to a ntfs.

Apparently this only refers to those running XP. I dont run XP myself so I do not know a great deal. But now she has no problems. Something to read up on maybe.

If you have no luck with the new media this might be worth a shot. The only other thing I can suggest is to reinstall your software and maybe uninstall unused burn software as sometimes you can get conflicts.

[mkelley]

@mkelley,

i've heard alot lately about labels perhaps affecting dvd playback...but i've always put labels (and used markers on the same disc) and never really had a problem....even on the DVD-Rs. some CD-Rs on going on 3+ years and still playback great.... weird, i guess..

however, i've only used those rectangular address labels, not those full CD stomper labels..so not sure exactly which labels ppl are referring to.

Let me be clear here -- I use DVD labels, and the full CD ones (not "stomper" but Neato) and have had no problems with them in over two years. But others have had problems, and they do sometimes exhibit themselves like the poster was describing. I was just trying to eliminate possibilities.

To me the advantages of labels *far* outweigh any problem I might have with the disk -- as I say, it's been over two years, my disks get played quite a bit, and they have held up. If a label ruins a disk I'll just make another backup (or another original if it's my own work -- I always have the master data). If it ruins a player I'll buy another one. Then again, I live in a *very* dry climate, I use only high-quality labels, and I'm very careful how I apply them. I wouldn't recommend label use unless someone knew the downside and was willing to accept the risk.

[Gurm]

The whole "labels ruin discs" thing is really more an issue of cheap media than anything else.

The verbatim discs have like 8 layers, 3 of them are between the recording substrate and the top. Label, marker, nothing matters much on the top of those discs. OTHER discs I've used have just a few layers, and ANYTHING you do to the top is pretty much guaranteed to mess with playability.

Even otherwise decent media, like Fuji, gets all unhappy if you write too much on the top, even though the top is supposedly sharpie-friendly. My kid scribbled with sharpie on the top of a Thomas the Train disc, and now it's all skippy and jumpy.

- Gurm

[SLK001]

The media I am using is Shintaro DVD-R 1x. It is detected by all the burning programmes that I have used as 2x.
I have the latest firmware for my burner aswell.

The fact that this is a "non name-branded" blank, and that it will burn at 2X, tells me that it is probably a pirate of the TDK-G02 name. Try to obtain some legitimate, high quality media (branded) and try again.

Is your latest firmware a legitimate release?

[maveric4001]

Hi Gurm

Are you saying that just writing on the disk with a cd marker pen can messup the playability of a disk

[vance43211]

mkellel hit it on the nose on the troubleshooting (dvd player or bad media0

but the reason a lot of older player don't play right the end of burnt movie has to do with the dvd laser intensity

on some dvd player you can go in adjust it

but don't do that as you can really mess up something

take the burnt dvds to the store and try them out

rather than use a buddy's dvd player as his player might have the same issues

my $2200.00 pioneer DV-09 doesn't play the end of my burnt movie right as do my rca and ge dvd players. but my ps2 and my toshiba sd-2805 (which i bought specifically to watch my burnt movies) plays them fine

[BODYBUILDER]

Ive had a problem where my burnt DVD-Video would get pixelated, skippy and would eventually freeze.

I have burnt the same movie on the following discs and encountered this problem.

Infosmart
Maxdata
TDK
Shintaro

all the exact same problem. right near the end. After researching abit i found that alot of people have the same problem and are blaming the media they use yes it may very well be the media which your current firmware may not support it may still burn the movie but play incorrectly in a certain area of the movie. and let me state that there are other problems that also cause a DVD to playback incorrectly which is mentioned below so just read and hopefully it will help you, because i was certainly pissed off when my DVD's were not playing back properly.

so as i know anyway its more of an issue with your DVD Writer Firmware with lack of compatablity in Different types of DVD Media thus burning incorrectly, and also could be the File System on your OS, stop using old file systems which limit file structure

This is what i had when i had this problem.

I had Windows XP installed on the FAT32 File system
an LG DVD Writer with the original Firmware.
I had the Problem using any DVD-R i would purchase and i was pissed off with this time i done something about it.
I said to my self i would burn one more movie on the Shintaro DVD-R 4X before i tried to do anything about this problem.

The Movie i Burnt was Predator.

Had the same problem near the end.

So i formatted my Computer.
I Installed Windows 2000 on The NTFS file system.
I Upgraded my Firmware on my DVD-Writer.

After i done all this. I burnt the same movie Predator on the Same Shintaro 4X disc and my problem was solved perfect qaulity from start to end.

i burnt another 10 movies after this all perfect, from start to end.

Another BIG thing to beware of is to make sure there is not one dust partical on the DVD-R before inserting it in your DVD Writer drive, as it would fail to burn over the dust partical leaving a trace of unburnt data and if you observe closely you may see a little dot(s) which has the layer colour of an unburnt disc. If its just one dot and very small which you could hardly see it would play without a problem, but if theres a fairbit or a large dot will stuff up the picture quality thus making the movie skip and scramble. I did encounter this problem and this was not near the end of the movie, which making it very obvious that this was the dust problem before burning a certain movie on my DVD-R Media i now clean with an air compressor before inserting in the DVD Writer, now i have a collection of about 80 movies since i bought my DVD Writer last 3 months and all have worked excellent.

check this out it has pictures of the dust particals causing permenant video/data loss. http://www.bealecorner.com/trv900/DVD/DVD-dust.html

By the way the software i use to create my DVD-Video:

I Rip with DVD Decrypter
I Trancode with DVD2ONE
I Burn with NeoDVD Standard which i find is an Excellent DVD-Video Burning software, which was bundled with my cousins DVD Burner which worked on my burner

and trust me i have used many programs. Despite the speed of DVD2ONE i think the qaulity is excellent. it takes me 10 minutes to Transcode a 2 hour DVD9 to DVD5 and 20 minutes to burn the movie using 2X oh yeah and 4 minutes to rip the movie at 14X with DVD Decrypter taking me around 35 minutes to produce one good quality DVD-Video.

Other software i have used in opinion are a waste of time and rubbish im not going to wait hours. in my opinion even if you encode the movie it still will not ever be the exact qaulity of a DVD9 you wonder why the movie is larger than 4.3 gig. :P and anyway DVD2ONE compresses the last VOB like everyother transcoder does and if its a very long movie it will merge the second last vob and the last vob into one vob so dont think waiting longer using Nero Recode or DVD Shrink will output with better quality, I doubt that very much.

Have Fun

[ddlooping]

Thanks for this highly detailed and informative post, BODYBUILDER .

"...so dont think waiting longer using Nero Recode or DVD Shrink will output with better quality, I doubt that very much."

I don't want to get into a "which software is best" contest, but just out of curiosity, have you tried DVD Shrink v3.0 beta 5 and compared the results with DVD2One?

[BODYBUILDER]

No Worries I Have tried DVD Shrink a few weeks ago i dont know exactly what version it was, but i only like to keep the "MAIN" movie i dont want the menus and all that, as it takes longer to transcode and also outputs with worse qaulity because of menus and the extras. i want a movie to be pretty much perfect so when using dvd shrink and the fact that you have to take out sounds from the extras and things like that i might as well just do the main movie only and have better qaulity, at that time when i was using DVD Shrink i only created one movie it took like 45 minutes and i hated it, but dont get me wrong i only used it once so tell me more about it if you can and i may try it again in the near future with more DVD's but for now im happy transcoding a DVD in 10 minutes with DVD2ONE.

[ddlooping]

BODYBUILDER, DVDShrink has been able to do movie-only backups since it was launched.

- "Open Disk" or "Open Files" (if all the DVD files have already been ripped)
- Click on "Re-author".
- Drag the movie title to the "New DVD" pane.
- Select/Deselect audio/subtitle stream.
- If you want to crop the end-credits use "Start/End".
- Clik "Backup!".

Some other things DVD Shrink can do:
- split a DVD to two (or more) discs (no menus).
- combine a "flipper" (or any number of DVDs) to one disc.
- create a compilation of titles.

I'd suggest you try v3.0 beta5.

[BODYBUILDER]

Thanks for the info

[ddlooping]

You're welcome.

Here are a few links you might want to check:

DVD Shrink version history: http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23950
Combining a "flipper": http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23400
Splitting a DVD to two DVD-Rs: http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23422
A "rough" guide to re-authoring with v3.0 beta 5: http://www.dvdshrink.info/re-author-v3beta5.php
DVD Shrink v2.3 (and related softwares) guides: http://www.dvdshrink.info/guides.php

I hope they might be of use.