How to place VCD (Ripped DVD) on one 80 min data CD?

[Sefy]

I'm sorry to hear that Kwag, I believe there are always those who want to learn new things and hear new ideas and methods, just because of a minor difference in opinions it does not mean you need to walk out, but i'll respect your choice and wish all the best.

I Trouly hope this atleast will be the last debate of this sort

[vitualis]

@ poopy:

I think kwag is saying that "KVCD" is now referring to a particular way/method of encoding MPEG video rather than the production of a video disc itself.

In a way the letters K-V-C-D are a little bit confusing as they don't necessarily refer to making a "VCD" anymore.

@ kwag:

I'm not entirely sure you can copyright something like the quantization matrix (as they are simply settings of the MPEG). This would be akin to me "copyrighting" a set of equaliser settings on my hi-fi, for example. You can copyright an article ABOUT the quantization matrix, however.

Regards.

[poopyhead]

close minded people

that's what you have to resort to?!

making something more of kVCD than it really is seems to be what you have been doing all along. kVCD's quality is purely subjective, and i have widthdrawn any comment on that as that is different from person to person. however, when you claim kVCD is a separate format, you really need to back it up without resorting to calling ppl narrow-minded.

find a way to burn kVCD as anything....ANYTHING other than a non-compliant (S)VCD and still play on a good chunk of dvd players, i will salute you on this matter and bow out.

[poopyhead]

I think kwag is saying that "KVCD" is now referring to a particular way/method of encoding MPEG video rather than the production of a video disc itself.

In a way the letters K-V-C-D are a little bit confusing as they don't necessarily refer to making a "VCD" anymore.

that's fine...then, VCD shouldn't even be included in kVCD...as VCD also refers to VCD authoring..and not just the MPEG-1 file itself.

however, the majority of "kVCD" users do burn those MPEG-1 files as non-compliant VCDs. once that line is crossed, there's no stepping back. the actual authoring of the VCD is required for playback on DVD players. again, VCD doesn't just refer to the MPEG-1 file, it also refers to the MPEG-1 file authored as a VCD disc.

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side note: for the kvcd supporters....this is just a technical issue i have a "beef" with. i personally have used some of his enhancements and seen what they can do. again, personally, i still prefer SVCD's quality (which is still higher, how much higher is purely subjective), BUT kVCD prolly does have the highest quality:file size ratio on the avg. TV. however, in terms of overall quality, i (and others) still prefer standard SVCD.

as long as kwag recognizes that his kVCD either 1) shouldn't be called a VCD at all if he's referring to the actual MPEG-1 file only 2) kVCD isn't a separate format.... it's part of the all-inclusive MPEG-1 file authored as a non-compliant VCD (aka xVCD)

[SatStorm]

@ Kwag:
I said it before and I said it again: Help yourself! Express yourself in a better more diplomatic way! Nobody has problem with your ideas, but many have problems with the terms you use.
And, I don't believe that this is innocent any more. You have your reasons for doing this.

That's why now I gonna post stuff here for the very fist time. I know those things about 4 years now, but never post them before, because as I said, I liked you. But it seems that you wish now to turn pro, also you doing plans and dreams for your future. Better let me inform you now, before you do serious mistakes:

The resolutions used by Kwag belongs to the Digital Video Broadcasting forum.

What that means? It means my dear Kwag, that all of your mpeg 2 based solutions you offer, ain't and never gonna be YOUR standard. Those resolutions belong to the DVB forum. And DVB means Satellite, Terrestial and Cable. The specifications of DVB transmissions determines the resolutions you use years before you. For your informations, "Cable" means also Internet.

Your KVCD with mpeg 2 is nothing than DVB on DVD or CD media. Interlace - Progressive doesn't matter, DVB support both. Also, the Gop modifications etc, are all determined to be used at any way by DVB, even in the way you use them / modified them. So, it is the DVB forum which have the official rights to use those resolutions you use on your mpeg 2 solutions, and DVB forum has the official right to use any mpeg 2 modifications on the GOP the way you also do.
Because of the trading laws that used for digital video determination, the "media" ain't the physical media you use (optical discs, transmission) but the mpeg 2 form you use. In your case, you have to pay twice to make your KVCD with mpeg 2 a "format":
The mpeg 2 forum and the DVB forum.
The mpeg 2 forum because you use mpeg 2 (it is not a free codec like xvid for example...) and the DVB forum because you use mpeg 2 in a way DVB use it for a long long time for any kind of broadcasts and has the right to do it....

And now, something ever more unknown:

Even with MPEG 1 you have trouble. Why?

Because of DVB's MPEG 1.5 standard!!!!
What's that?

US broadcasters wanted the economy of digital transmission in early '90s, but because MPEG-1 was not suitable for satellite and MPEG-2 was still being developed, a "bastardized" flavor of MPEG which called MPEG-1.5 was created. This format is not a official standard, but is still used for satellite (CNN Airport network uses MPEG-1.5 for example). MPEG-1.5 uses a wide bandwidth MPEG-1 flavor of video encoding along with multiplexing of data streams which allows multiple programs to be transmitted across one satellite channel at a time.
The resolutions used for this MPEG 1.5, are all the well known DVB resolutions....

So Kwag, CNN and other satellite channels, are using mpeg 1 the way you do, from almost a decade ago. Just imagine, that in Middle east, until last April, there was the "Orbit Arabia" satellite subscription service, used this mpeg 1.5. With about 500.000 subscripters...

This mpeg 1.5 is not a standard, so where is your problem? Well....

You realise that there is company somewhere someplace (in US) that offer that mpeg 1.5 solution to costumers like CNN, Orbit, etc for more than a decade. This company, has payed the rights to use mpeg 1 the way you do. Also, has the patent to use mpeg 1 the way you do, but years before you...
So Kwag, for the same reasons I explain you for mpeg 2, you have to pay to this company some rights to use mpeg 1 the way you do... They have done commercially what you do, years before you and they have all the patents and stuff, you don't have for it....
Plus, you have to pay the MPEG forum for the commercial use of mpeg 1 on media, as well.

In other words Kwag, your "solutions" are like Divx 3.11: Ripp offs.
You ripp off DVB forum, you ripp off mpeg 1.5.
Or to put it in a "Lawer" way, you can't proove that your solutions are conclusions of your own and not emulations / ripp offs of other well known commercional technologies....

You never payed any rights to use those "ripp offs" on any kind of media (optical, memory based or whatever), right?

That makes you illegal!.

Turn yourself "big" (as you hope) and a small email to the trading authorities easily gonna sent you to jail (or to the Bank to pay million of $$$, if you have those millions...)

Sorry to say, but you never gonna succeed to turn yourself a standard. Both your mpeg 1 and mpeg 2 solutions was / is used commercially by others, years before you.

And, if you became "big", the real Big ones gonna ask from you the rights they own. Prepare to pay lots to MPEG/DVD/DVB forums and this unknown company in US for mpeg 1.5 before you became a standard...

And forget markets like: Satellite, Cable, Terrestrial and Internet Broadcasting. Your only "hope" could be to get the official rights to use DVB or mpeg 1.5 on certain media (CD, DVD or even Ram based)....


I know that you well know all this, that's why you say and act the way you do. I believe that you except the day mpeg 1.5 gonna stop be used, so to "patent" your KVCD.
Well, bad news: Patents don't expire! Sorry...


So, better determine better the way I point you your stuff and your ideas, before an ******* inform some big ones from the dvb/dvd/mpeg forum. You wouldn't like that, would you?

Or, to put it in another way, keep acting the way you do, and the day you became "big" you gonna also face charges, you wouldn't even imagine that exist!