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[Diplomat]

Check this shizza out

http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-1026715.html?tag=cd_mh

[thayne]

I don't think it's funny....

[DVWannaB]

And who says these powerful, influencial special interest groups/lobbyists dont influence public law.

I forgot.........but who runs this country again................

[BJ_M]

its not that funny at all --

[indolikaa]

I smell Orrin Hatch!

[philly33flyers]

It's sad that it's come to the point where if you spit on an officer you get life in prison ----> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030703/od_nm/crime_spit_dc_2

and now possibly if this law passes that you can get up to 5 years in prison for sharing copyrighted files...

yet if you kill someone and plead insanity you get away scott free. it's just ridiculous.

[KetchSumAir]

Don't seem to mention accidents either - what happens if you leave a file open to the internet unknowingly? You still go to jail for 5 years?

It would seem to me the end goal is to scare people off the internet. The MPAA and RIAA have gone way overboard here - perhaps the only way to counteract this is to stop buying movies or albums?? Or will that only make the MPAA and RIAA more aggressive (contributing lower sales to increased piracy)? Next, will be be forced to buy movies and albums? I'm obviously being dramatic, but what's next? You know the bill would have been more aggressive if they thought they could get away with it.

This is clearly way out of hand - I sure hope this doesn't pass. Look at the sponsors for the bill and VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE (If you live in the state they represent)

[thayne]

Funny how the average murderer gets less than 8 years. Share a file and get 5???? I would hope nothing like this could ever pass. What I want to know is why aren't they so vigiant about going after *REAL* criminals?????

[Reaper88]

This is getting so out of hand its not even funny anymore. What do they expect to come form this. There will probaly be a big comsumer backlash. Atleast i hope there will be. I mean to make a law that could put you in prison for sharing a file that they dont even have to prove that you shareded. Its crazy! What are they going to do next, come after us for just talking about copying something.

[MOVIEGEEK]

According to the authors of this bill they equate file-sharing to international terrorism,some Congressmen have their priorities mixed up.

[mmmbeer]

Makes alot of sense since priests who molest walk scott free. What a great thing capitalism is. lol 1 spindle of 50 blank cdr's=$9.99@ Best Buy 1 copy of Stevie Ray Vaughn Live Alive $19.99 so you tell me why people download I'd say a sight bit of price gouging might be a clue.

[Reaper88]

Let me ask you guys this, Say this bill passes and they go out on kazza and find 2 million people in the U.S sharing files. Are they really going to go out and try and arrest 2 million people and put them in prison? Dont we have a over crowed prison problem already. Seems like they will be making a bigger problem for themselves (goverment) in the long run.

[mmmbeer]

They have said before that they are solely going after people who "share" alot of files. I can't speak for anyone else but I move my files off the network as soon as I get them and tick the box that blocks others from viewing what you have.

[thayne]

They have said before that they are solely going after people who "share" alot of files. I can't speak for anyone else but I move my files off the network as soon as I get them and tick the box that blocks others from viewing what you have.

No, this law will affect anyone who shares a single file even if it's never uploaded.

[mmmbeer]

I hope they find alot of free space to construct all the facilities needed to jail them all. Hopefully we won't be conquered either since a good chunk of the population will be serving time. It's a crock and they know it. Most of the p2p's are just simply evolving to make themselves more invisible. There are ways to know who you're downloading from/ uploading to. Until prices drop p2p will always be a problem. Every single other business has felt compelled to reduce prices since the economy went on a downslide but the recording industry is teh only one that hasn't followed suit.

[Reaper88]

They keep going after p2p but what about IRC. Dose this even include IRC. I am not sure if they can even track IRC the same way but i may be wrong.

[mmmbeer]

They could if they use moles which I wouldn't at all be surprised if they did.

[Reaper88]

What i dont undersant is if you have ever download anything from IRC they have disclamers that say things like "By aceesing this server You agree that you are not a law enforcment agent". Will that even hold up in court.

[Nolonemo]

Let me ask you guys this, Say this bill passes and they go out on kazza and find 2 million people in the U.S sharing files. Are they really going to go out and try and arrest 2 million people and put them in prison? Dont we have a over crowed prison problem already. Seems like they will be making a bigger problem for themselves (goverment) in the long run.

Look on the bright side. To free up all the space in the prisons, they'll have to release all the dopers and legalize drugs!

[BJ_M]

What i dont undersant is if you have ever download anything from IRC they have disclamers that say things like "By aceesing this server You agree that you are not a law enforcment agent". Will that even hold up in court.

no it doesnt ..


plus many IRC servers are monitored now ... not all - but some .. and not all the time

even hidden channels

its a known fact ...

[Reaper88]

Very interesting fact. You just never hear about anyone going after them thats why i was so courious.

[defense]

I think it's crazy as well..but i'm sorry....what philly posted has overshadowed 5 years for d/l'ng copywritten material.

@Philly33flyers, are you aware if this is a law in Oklahoma solely? That really makes me sick because down here every cop...no..I mean PIG is crooked as Pinnochio's nose....so to only have a guy spit on a Pig and get life is really screwed up. I almost thought the link was a hoax, but I know the law is really whacked in many ways and it doesn't surprise me at all. They say a disease CAN be spread through BODILY fluids....to me that is TOTAL BULLSHIT..even a disease as deadly as AIDS was proven years ago that it couldn't be transmitted through saliva or mosquitoes which many people had previously thought.

Now they wanna make it sound like this guy pissed down this Pig's throat? Even if he did, that STILL isn't deserving of a LIFE SENTENCE. I saw some shit on 60 minutes years ago about a guy in Ohio who beat a man to death. The man was the ex of his current girlfriend, and the beating was in self-defense, they guy had no prior...but they ended up giving this guy like 25 years to life for this. The city was outraged because he was a good guy...and was defending himself...but a life was gone...and that's how the law was in that State...that shocked me then..but this really takes the cake.

If anyone knows anything more about this Life sentence for spitting on a cop..i'd really like to hear thoughts..maybe even an off topic post could be started, because this really is baffling.

I'm not bullshitting in the slightest when I say if you thought Training Day was serious...then you haven't got a damn clue....Training Day was a real joke compared to the shit that goes on down here...planting of weapons by these Pigs......staged crime scenes....setups.....man..I can go on and on....i'm sure if I didn't see shit with my own eyes, I wouldn't believe it either...but it's real damn sad and sickening at the same time.....and the majority of the time the pigs pull it off.....that's even more pathetic...but now a guy spits on a pig and gets LIFE.....to me, that's hard to believe.

[txpharoah]

What i dont undersant is if you have ever download anything from IRC they have disclamers that say things like "By aceesing this server You agree that you are not a law enforcment agent". Will that even hold up in court.

No. It is not protection or defense. In fact, by merely putting up something that retarded, you openly admit that you are knowingly breaking the law.

Ever watch COPS? The drug dealers always ask "you ain't a cop is you?". And the cop says "no". Doesn't mean they don't arrest the drug dealer. It just doesn't work that way.

Those disclaimers are just a waste of time and words.

have a guy spit on a Pig and get life

I don't think so. Something's missing here. Details.

[BJ_M]

Very interesting fact. You just never hear about anyone going after them thats why i was so courious.

There was a substancially large bust last year Nov Dec that was primarly through IRC info gathering

and a few before that ...

[Cecilio]

Im not saying i do, but what if i download like 300 copyrighted songs, and burn them as mp3's, and then delete the files from my computer, whould they still be on to you. plus like isnt it illegal to check someones own personal files. shouldn't they have a warrant to check your computer, or your house or anything?

[txpharoah]

Im not saying i do, but what if i download like 300 copyrighted songs, and burn them as mp3's, and then delete the files from my computer, whould they still be on to you. plus like isnt it illegal to check someones own personal files. shouldn't they have a warrant to check your computer, or your house or anything?

Not when you share. That's the difference between drugs in your house (warrant needed) and drugs on a lemonade stand in front of your house on the sidewalk.

To not get caught? Sure, don't get caught. But if they catch you and prosecute, you're screwed. Sort of like flushing drugs down the toilet while the cop watches.

I have Kazaa, and I download things. As far as I know, all of it is legal too. There are legal video demos and music and copyright-relinquished media out there. Same for relinquished software. Sometimes, that's the only place to get it. I also have several thousand MP3's on my system, all of which came from ripping my CDs to my HD. I don't share them. If RIAA/MPAA crawled across my system, outside the shared folders, then tried to pin me for a crime, I'd file a class-action suit against them for invasion. That's the difference. Sharing versus not sharing.

They have a burden of proof though. Intent doesn't stand up very much in media law. That's more for murder and other harder crimes. Files on Kazaa are not always what they seem. It would make for interesting court cases, to say the least.

[Cole]

They say a disease CAN be spread through BODILY fluids....to me that is TOTAL BULLSHIT..even a disease as deadly as AIDS was proven years ago that it couldn't be transmitted through saliva or mosquitoes which many people had previously thought.

Defense, I understand that TB can be spread by spitting.

[The village idiot]

Very interesting fact. You just never hear about anyone going after them thats why i was so courious.

There was a substancially large bust last year Nov Dec that was primarly through IRC info gathering

and a few before that ...

There was another the February before that. Many of the groups went on vacation. Some haven't come back until recently.

[Reaper88]

are those the hcaker groups that are getting busted or people who are just sharing out mp3's and movies and such. I did alittle research and read some news articles about how the FBI hangs out in the hacker rooms.

[pacmania_2001]

are those the hcaker groups that are getting busted or people who are just sharing out mp3's and movies and such. I did alittle research and read some news articles about how the FBI hangs out in the hacker rooms.

Mostly they are just getting the people that share movies/mp3's. I haven't heard of a movie release group (mp3 may be different, I dont keep up with them) get busted in ages.

It seems to me that the law enforcement agencies are doing the same thing they do with drugs. Talk up the amount/affect their bust has had on the 'scene' when over all it has affected little.