I may have a problem!!

[monkey boy]

I seem to have a problem somewhere down the line, but to be honest I don't know where.
I am transferring VHS>DVD, capturing with a Pinnacle DV500 capture card, editing in Adobe Premier 6.5, then menus etc... in DVDit! using a Pioneer DV106.
when I play the DVD in my DVD, and also tried in an X-box the picture looks jilted, like it doesn't flow properly, the sound and picture quality is fine, the picture just seems to have a trail on it, but when I play back on the DVD player in my PC, the picture is perfect.
I have not had a problem playing DVDR in the DVD player before, just wondered if anyone else had an insight or had experienced this?

[FT Shark]

it sounds like you are loosing frames while capturing. try changing up some of the settings or get a different capture card or try different software for capture.

[Heavensent]

maybe interlacing?
or to encode with bottom field first / upper filed first ?

try playing with that when you encode, it might work.

[mkelley]

Yep, it sounds like a field order problem to me.

Short explanation is that interlaced television has two fields, and the order in which you capture them is important. Try reversing the order in which you capture the fields (it will be marked either even/odd, or low/high or something like that) and do a test run of ten minutes of material. Then reverse them and try again. If it fixes the problem make a note of the order and use these setting for all future captures.

[monkey boy]

When I capture, it says that no frames have been lost.

Would this be the case still, if when played on the PC the picture looks fine, not the same jagged movements?

M

[mkelley]

It's a field problem. PCs don't display fields, so you won't see the problem there.

[monkey boy]

OK, thanks I'll spend some time trying to fathom out where it all is!
thanks for the advice
M

[FT Shark]

when I came accross an interlace problem I ran the deinterlace filter (set to double) on TMPGEnc and set the out put to progressive (non-interlace). This worked for me.

[mkelley]

That may have worked for you but you do *not* want to be doing this as a general rule.

Television viewing (at least on "normal" televisions) is designed for interlaced fields. Removing those in the manner you suggest will result in the loss of some detail -- whether it is noticiable to you or not depends upon your eyes, the size of the screen you are viewing on, etc.

Getting the fields right is the correct way of handling this problem.

[monkey boy]

Right, set the field to Upper field first and that didn't work either!
M

[mkelley]

So you captured both ways and saw no difference between the two?

If so, something is wrong here -- I also note now that you are probably using PAL, something I'm completely unfamiliar with (although I still think there are fields in the PAL world). In any case, you *have* to be able to see a difference in the reversing of the fields.

Try this -- leave the capture alone (back to where you started) but reverse your fields in your encoding software. See if that doesn't make a difference.

[monkey boy]

OK, thanks all!
Seem to have solved the problem, you were definitely right. I had to set the capture to the upper field and not only that it also has to be set at the encode too! When I did it last time, I neglected to change the field in the encode, so I ended up with the same problem
Even though I am on PAL, I had to use the upper field, whereas I'd been told twice that the lower field had to be set for PAL, so you learn something new everyday.
I would like to express my gratitude, saved me getting a massive headache, many thanks
M