way off topic (part 2)

[alenhard]

Housepig-

Did you click the link? The proposed gameshow exploiting an immigrant's struggle for freedom is not offensive? Of course it is.

So by your rationalization, it's okay to link to the KKK in your signature, because after all, it's not like you actually said anything about it in your post?

Just don't see the logic there....

Pacmania's link was to a funny site overall, but I think it should have been a little more thought out before it was linked to, considering that one article (and Pacmania's reference to it in his sig). And obviously Heretic did check out the link.

[Tommyknocker]

Sorry, everything in that post is true. It is usually inflammatory to white supremacists who feel that Mexicans are not white, even though they are. It really irritates them to hear that Mexican have to be included with them should someone say let's divide the human race into races.

[housepig]

It is the inexactness that keeps that monster bigotry chugging merrily along. The common usage term has a bad taste to it.

I absolutely concur. However, there is a time and place to argue that point.

I would suggest, especially in the light of how some of the other posters are reacting to your posts, that this might not be the time or place for a linguistic lesson. If cooler heads prevail, we can rejoin the topic in a calmer atmosphere...

...but when your house is burning, you don't stop to argue if the flames are orange or yellow - you put out the fire.

[housepig]

can the mod who moved these posts (and rightly so, thank you) please join this thread to the other? There's no good reason to have two concurrent inflamatory threads when one does the trick quite nicely..

thanks.

[BJ_M]

can the mod who moved these posts (and rightly so, thank you) please join this thread to the other? There's no good reason to have two concurrent inflamatory threads when one does the trick quite nicely..

thanks.

i can't -- you all posted DURING the time the threads were being split ..

i find it an interisting discussion (so far) --


remember its a discussion and not a personal attack ..

some good reading (basicly 2 random rabbits often have wider DNA than any two people randomly chosen anywhere on earth)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/genes/population/population_dna.shtml

[Tommyknocker]

And BJ_M we can throw in a little sexism too. The human male is the only sex who has all the chromosomes. The female has two "X" chromosomes, and the male has an "X" and a "Y". Barring genetics, I agree with the French -- Vive la Difference!!!

[heretic422]

Tommyknocker,

Your anthropology books are severly outdated. Your logic denies the existence of Native Americans, Indians as Columbus called them incorrectly. In much the same way that Native Americans were on the shores to meet Columbus, so too were native inhabitants of Mexico, ("Mestiso Indians") on the shores to meet the Spanish (from Spain) Conquistadors. You remark, "The indigenous people from Mexico are decendants of the Spanish Conquistadors. " is completely incorrect, who did the Conquistadors conquer if they brought the Mexicans? Did they bring along a race of people for sport conquering? The skeletal features of the people the Spanish Conquistadors wiped out resemble those of the Native American, not the Spaniards. Then all whites are black because the human race rose from Africa, African ancestors walked across the planet but evolved differently but you are now black whether you were before or not. Does THAT make sense?

If your logic were true, then there is only one race, African as this is, according to anthroplogists, the origin of the species from which homo sapiens decended. If there are three, as you claim, races recognized, and you claim orientals as one, then tell me about the Polynesians, Samoans, Koreans, Japanese, Tahitians. Are they all Oriental? At what point do Orientals in their travels eastward become Occidental? Europeans did not spontaneously appear, they had to come from somewhere. So the Cauc-asian race as you claim had to come from somewhere, namely the forebearers in Africa that migrated out of Africa. They migrated across the entire globe over so much time that evolutionary changes became evident, leading to a different race distinction. So the same logic that applies to the three master races has to apply to other races being extant.

There is a Mexican race. There are many humans in this race. Deny the existence of a Mexican race in any location where Mexicans are present and tell me what they say or do. They will respond with the same fervor that you would if you were told by someone not of your race and/or culture that your heritage and ancestry does not exist.

I'm with vance43211 and alenhard. Also a synonym for Bigot is Racist. Dictionary.com - One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ. Sounds the same to me.

This is no place for racism. You can keep your beliefs about the Mexicans, blacks, asians - whatever else doesn't exist according to your logic. Believe what you want, but acting on it or demonstrating or displaying it in a forum as this is what started the entire thread.

And, Housepig, The OP still hasn't gotten a warning or card or whatever. And about pacmania's sig - I clicked that's what prompted me. I brought it up just for the sake of bringing it up. I call Bullsh*t on any mod that favors anyone on the basis of friendship about giving out warnings. There are a real bunch of suck-ups lurking about waiting for the chance to go to the rescue of the mods. Guilty of an infraction is guilty. If I murder 20 people and you murder 1, I'm still a murderer, you're not less guilty. And to you I also say that PMs should never be posted in the forum - just forwarded to the mods, unbiased ones, and Baldrick. This iron hand nonsense is completely unwarranted.

So housepig and Tommyknocker are white supremacists? Did I read that right? They agree with the white supremacists getting upset because they're being lumped in with the Mexicans? Somebody please explain.

[housepig]

And, Housepig, The OP still hasn't gotten a warning or card or whatever.

Like I said - I think you were the first person to (rightly) complain about his post - but nobody here is getting paid to moderate. Just like you and me, they do this when they have time to do it. They aren't tech support - they are volunteers. And now that we've had this thread boiling, some of them have had to spend time on this, not on checking that post.

And about pacmania's sig - I could care less. I brought it up just for the sake of bringing it up. I call Bullsh*t on any mod that favors anyone on the basis of friendship about giving out warnings. There are a real bunch of suck-ups lurking about waiting for the chance to go to the rescue of the mods. Guilty of an infraction is guilty. If I murder 20 people and you murder 1, I'm still a murderer, your not less guilty.

I would agree - favoritism has no place within the mods. However, people are human, and they can and will be influenced by other factors.

I'll ask you this, though - if every mod looks at that sig, and has no problem with it, and decides not to flag pacmania - would you accept that as a difference of opinion, or is it blatent favoritism, case closed?

If you're lumping me in as a "suck-up" to the mods, well, that's your opinion... unless you want to troll my posts and see some of the non-moderators that I have stuck up for in various threads.

And to you I also say that PMs should never be posted in the forum - just forwarded to the mods, unbiased ones, and Baldrick. This iron hand nonsense is completely unwarranted.

okay, wrong thread, but fine - that's your opinion, and you can deal with your PM's as you see fit. I made my thoughts on it pretty clear in that thread.

So housepig and Tommyknocker are white supremacists? Did I read that right?

Not in my case. I won't speak for Tommyknocker - I will say that I think he's bringing a couple of hair-splitting linguistic debates into a thread that's not prepared to listen to them.

Besides, what makes you think I'm white? That I live in Minnesota? Little stereotyping coming from your end, maybe?

But I'm a white supremacist? I take serious offense at that remark - I think that white supremacists are some of the most ignorant, bottom-feeding shitheads that play to the most base attitudes that humans are capable of... not that you bothered to ask. Keep rocking those assumptions.

Be careful about the way you read these posts - if you are looking to find racism, overt or covert, you'll find it... because a pattern-seeking man sees patterns everywhere, whether they are there or not.

What really bums me out is that you are bringing perfectly good, factual rebuttals to Tommyknocker's argument - then you start dropping into the personal bashing and name-calling. Can't you keep the level of discourse above that?

oh, and by the way :

They agree with the white supremacists getting upset because they're being lumped in with the Mexicans?

If you're going to jump on me, keep your posts straight - that came out of Tommyknocker's mouth, not mine.

[hoyboy]

I have clicked on pacmania's sig before, and in his defense I feel he is being ironic about how hard it can be for illegal immigrants to come to australia. We currently have a system where the government is not processing boatpeople actually in australia, we are sending them to other places like christamas island, p.n.g etc, so they cannot have access to the australian legal system. It is a bit of a lottery who gets in or not and pacmania is just trying to point that out.

[BJ_M]

I have clicked on pacmania's sig before, and in his defense I feel he is being ironic about how hard it can be for illegal immigrants to come to australia. We currently have a system where the government is not processing boatpeople actually in australia, we are sending them to other places like christamas island, p.n.g etc, so they cannot have access to the australian legal system. It is a bit of a lottery who gets in or not and pacmania is just trying to point that out.

always a problem with regional "jokes" -- no one else really gets it or misunderstands completly ..

in canada we joke about the opposite thing .. (i am an immigrant myself to canada i guess) - here we let in 10,000's of thousands of people as immigrants but never get around to proccessing them, often for years at a time - which is unfair because during that time they have no medical or nor are they allowed to work ..

so if we say the "immigrant problem" , we are refering to something else once again ..