Why is DVD-9 easier to copy than DVD-5?

[bartman]

My whack playa' hates anything touched by IFOEdit so you are probably right youngkes.

I don't think that this is a issue that will get fixed since pretty much any player out there these days claims to support DVD-/+R(W) and is probably a little relaxed in it's enforcement of the DVD spec.....at least I haven't seen anything made in the last two years that doesn't play my IFOEdited DVD's.

[txpharoah]

Oh and by the way before you get on your highhorse again i do have Nero, in fact it's NERO 6 ULTRA EDITION full.

I'm calling BS on this one. The program won't be released for several more days. That means unless you're a beta-tester (which I doubt given your attitude), you don't have it. At least not a legal, tested, fool-proof editions. Crappily cracked warez don't count.

http://www.nero.com/en/content/c1055950278882.html#c1055950278882

Use whatever you want, but don't badmouth a product, especially when all your "reasons" to hate it fall apart so easily. God forbid somebody actually takes what you said as useful advice.

[Gurm]

Burp.

My command of the English language far surpasses that which you could possibly comprehend. I was being... for lack of a better word... sarcastic.

However, let me propose this possibility:

Your Philips player, which I have previously refered to as "whack", is NOT entirely compliant with the DVD specification. In fact I've seen several original DVD's which Philips players flatly refuse to play. But that's besides the point.

Try this...

Find a non-encrypted DVD. They aren't THAT hard to find. Kids' movies (with the exception of Disney) are rarely protected (hence all the backups floating around here of Thomas the Tank Engine, which my 2-year old chews on when he's not watching them).

Now, just fire up Nero or RecordNow, or whatever you want, and copy it. 1:1. No decrypting, no extracting, just copy the DVD.

In fact, if it's not protected, you can just drag/drop the VIDEO_TS folder to your hard disk and then burn it again using whatever method strikes your fancy.

Now, if THAT works, then you know for sure that DVD Decrypter is doing something incompatible to your IFO files.

I personally have been using AnyDVD to remove protection (and Macrovision, and region coding, and those prohibited operation notices, and...) and find that the resulting DVD's play fine in all my players. But then again, I had no problems with DVD Decrypter either.

Let's not ride him too hard guys. It's always possible that he found a minor bug in DVD Decrypter's IFO generation routines. I _do_ suggest that you report this to the DVD Decrypter people though!

And you can still use a program like DVD Shrink or DVD2One, just don't have it recompress. DVD Shrink won't do any cmpression or anything if the movie fits on a single recordable.

- Gurm

[phinsman]

Oh and by the way before you get on your highhorse again i do have Nero

But i will not install it on my PC because i use a far better software.

Just out of curiosity, why do you have the brand new version of Nero if you're not going to use it? If you bought it, it's not the cheapest software ever.

I realize people have had problems with Nero's DVD burning (I have not) but as far as burning CDs this is the best overall software there is for Windows. I don't think anyone can dispute that. So let's at least give it the respect it deserves.

Dale

[jthompson99]

I agree with the others that RecordNow Max is the best burning software out there.

[youngkes]

I burn with nero and directly with dvddecrypter and never have problem on my philips 711.

[bartman]

Gurm....Sorry for the questioning of your English skills....I frequent many other forums and newsgroups where certain people serve no purpose other than to either make smart-arse comments or generally make a nusance of themselves...knee jerk reaction I suppose (most of them tend to be 'l33t hax0rs'). I kept using the "whack playa" term because I kinda like it....I wouldn't if I didn't think there was some truth to it

It would not supprise me if my Phillips player is not 100% compliant. I got it at a time when $500 was a cheap DVD player and recordable DVD's came in only two types...although I've never had a pressed DVD not work in it yet....even the newer RCE ones It wasn't designed to read DVD-R's and it can't read DVD-RW's but it does the job and I CAN get DVD-R's to work....but it is very picky.

At this stage I know that DVD's that have been touched by DVD Decrypter or IFO Edit don't work in my Philips player as well as DVD-5's that have been ripped by Smartripper. Everything else that I have used works fine. Since it saves a step, I'm using DVD Shrink to "rip" my DVD's for me. I know it works and it takes no longer than ripping with something else. I do have a couple of unencrypted DVD's so I'll try copying them and see what happens.

I replied to dvdflea's post because I identified with the problem. I've managed to find a workaround (which is to use DVD Shrink) and thought I might share it. I just became a bit frustrating when the question "I rip and burn with DVD Decrypter and it doesn't work" is answered with "you fool!!! You should use DVD Decrypter to rip and burn your DVD" (OK...maybe not those actual words, but you get the jist)

The answer may be a rare bug...it may be that the DVD players being used are on the border of the 10% that don't work with DVD-R (or whatever the stats are these days).

[marvel2020]

AN EXPLANATION AN APOLOGY TO ALL CONCERN


Well as you can see, i 've removed the reference to the Version of Nero that i have in my previous post.


Because like txpharoah said the version i had, because i don't have it any more was an illegal warez copy that was given to me by a friend who told me that it was the OEM release version and having Gone to Ahead's Website and finding out that it wasn't, I have since destroyed the CD it was on and have had a few words with my friend about illegal warez and the damage they do to Companies.



But getting back to my point about Nero, The Demo versions i've used in the past have cause me Grief and thats why i have to say Nero for me and just ME, is no good for recording to DVD-r, thats not to say that other people have had no problems in using it, in fact i know other people don't have any problems with it.

I have 20 DVD-r's all burnt using Nero's DVD-Video recording option following the guide here at DVDhelp and everyone of them DVD-r's would not play on any of the 2 Standalone's that i have had since my Cyberhome pack in on me, the 2 DVD players on Question are Arianet and Roadstar <-- my present Player.

But they did play on my Cyberhome No Problems.

In fact, i can't even make a copy of them discs and burn them back using Stomp Record Now Max.

But as soon as i Switch to Stomp Record Now Max to burn any of the DVDr's since then, i have not had that problem.

I do know now, that using Nero's UDF/ISO should/will work, but since i use Stomp i've no more use for Nero for anything as i don't do VCD/SVCD's anymore.

Sorry to all who took offence in my previous posts, and i'm man enough to say i was wrong to even take the CD in the first place without checking Ahead's website.

So a big slap on the wrist for me and i'll go and sit in the corner like a Fool that i am .

So to sum it all up, NERO will burn to DVD-r just fine as other Members who are using can prove.

I hope this is enough for people to make there own judgements.

[jtoolman2000]

Hum,,, If Nero "SUcks Big Time" then I must be the exception! Now, to this day I've backed exactly 177 DVDs 5 and 9s using just about every type of pro available to us. Shrink, Express, DVD + Copy. Pinnacle Instand, Decripter Etc. I then use Nero with the Dummy proof Wizard, dump the created DVD files in the VIDEO_TS folder created by Nero used in DVD/Video mode and Burn!!! An hour later I have a copy that to this day has player on all my 7 machines. Strange that I have not had any problems whatsoever! Maybe I'm lucky

[Gurm]

I'd say the problem is that Nero is 50/50.

Either it works flawlessly for you or it doesn't.

VERY few people fall into the "oh, I just _know_ how to use Nero so it works for me".

Either it does, or it doesn't. If it doesn't, no amount of wishing makes it work, and if it does it's hard to see why it wouldn't.

This is the problem. There is some discussion of exactly what the bug is in other forums, but for the time being I just recommend against it because it's like flipping a coin. You'll either be happy or end up with a LOT of coasters.

In contrast, you can use CopyToDVD, RecordNow MAX, or several OTHER programs and they ALWAYS work.

- Gurm

[energy80s]

I see that you have a Philips player. These are designed to work with +R discs more so than -R. In fact I was looking at a Philips DVD player this morning that said it played everything EXCEPT for DVD-R. I would check out some of your "coasters" on another machine before you go changing the way you rip DVD's. I could be that ripping in ISO mode is just pushing your machine "over the edge" in the -R compatibility stakes.

[psx_pirate]

You are all missing the one important thing IFOEDIT, use dvd decrypter (in file mode) to rip All files from a dvd5 (go to edit then select all) after they have finished ripping open the VIDEO_TS.IFO in ifoedit and click GET VTS SECTORS, keep clicking ok until its completed close ifoedit and burn the disk ... it should now play.

As for using iso mode with dvd decrypter rip with iso read, burn with iso write however when selecting the file to burn always choose the XXXX.MDS file and not XXXX.iso file.((applies to win98 users only or those using fat 16/32 hdd's)win xp/2000 using ntfs file system will create one iso file)) However because some comercially produced dvds have deliberate errors on them it may not always work and i always use the file method along with ifo edit to get the new vts sectors and they always work for me although for burning dvd's record now max is far superior to nero and well worth buying (i dont use nero since i bought record now max)

[bartman]

My Phillips player was bought when DVD+R was just a pipe dream. The dvd+rw website says that my player does NOT support +RW in any form.

As for my coasters working in other payers, the answer is they do. I have a cheap XMS player as well and the disks work fine i that. I can put it down to one of two things, either the disks created are 100% compliant and my Phillips player is having a sissy fit, or the disks are not 99% compliant and my XMS player is relaxed about enforcing standards. Either way, it doesn't really matter now since I have a method that works.

I agree that Nero is 50/50 with DVD's. I use it and have no problems as long as I use the ISO/UDF method. I have to create the folders manually every time but this is no reason (for me) to buy different software. I own it so I use it....If I owned RecordNow MAX (or any other) I would use that instead.

[poopyhead]

have to remember that your experiences with one software does not necessarily reflect every1 elses....

so far, i've stuck with nero for all my burning needs: VCDs, xVCDs, SVCDs, and now DVDs

had no problem whatsoever.

i'm guessing that your player is just more picky.

[bartman]

have to remember that your experiences with one software does not necessarily reflect every1 elses....

I am aware...that's why I don't trash DVD Decrypter (in fact I think it is a good and worthwhile tool to have) and I'll be the first to admit that my player is picky....I'd buy myself a better player except that "she who must be loved and cared for" doesn't buy my excuses for ditching the one we have.

[MackemX]

unless dvdflea is making a basic mistake to which he is overlooking (it does happen!), it looks like his player is 'rejecting' the the DVD's and it's one Fussy SOB. Personally I find it hard to believe dvdflea cannot copy a DVD5 without having to compress the DVD and wish he was local so I could just have a quick check of exactly what is going on

have you tried the DVDShrink with No compression method dvdflea? as it would be nice to know your results

It's burned perfectly complaint DVD-Video for several versions now. Since 5.5.10.20.

regarding Nero, it's a touchy subject and although I agree it does have some issues, it ain't as bad as people make out just cos they can't overcome them

I've used the earlier version 5.5.9.14 for ages now (still do) and had no troubles, but I guess I'm just lucky 8) and as to what method is best regarding ripping and burning, again they all work for me so I'm even luckier (I do favour File Mode/DVD-ROM methods tho cos I like to mod my files 1st)

as for certain programs 'Sucking' etc, the majority don't cos most of the time as it's the user's complete setup starting from the OS they use to the player they have that have an effect on 100% success

all the bits inbetween can have an effect on whether a playable backup DVD is the end result and quite often something does happen

regarding DVD backups it does seem strange that I and quite a few others I know of in the DVD Backup world never seem to have major problems and are probably more likely to come up with solutions to so called 'bugs' in backup programs

I have a fussy player regarding my Sony and at 1st I made a couple of coasters (played fine in my other DVD) but I soon realised where my mistake was and basically it was self inflicted regarding IFOEdit stripping . I'm yet to some across a player that doesn't play my backups be it my friends,relatives or all the ones I test in the electrical stores when looking for a new player for either myself or someone else. My very early backups (and odd self inflicted coaster) will only play in certain players or not at all but most experienced users have all gone through that steep costly learning curve stage

there's a lot of remarks in this thread I would like to comment on but the one that I thought I would comment on is @marvel2020 as post count has nothing to do with being a 'Newbie' in the way you meant it and the 'Newbie' name calling was a bit lame plus I also I like the fact you claim to have destroyed the Nero CD

[energy80s]

Sounds like your DVD player (being one of the first generation) isn't too keen on playing any kind of DVDR, so you basically have to fool it into thinking its playing a commercial DVD!