DV to AVI

[bugster]

Give me an email address and I will send you a small (about 5-7meg) clip of the quality of this KDVD template, and you can use PowerDVD to monitor the bitrate as you go.

Thanks but no thanks.

Within the last 45 minutes I have downloaded the template, encoded a 2min 30 sec clip, authored (one authoring prog refused it!) and burnt it.

Doesn't play on either of my 2 DVD players. So it doesn't matter how good it looks (and its waht it looks like on my TV that matters to me), its of no use to me.

[funkguy4]

Well, that sux for you! You mighta done something wrong..... Mine works like a charm every time!

[bugster]

Well, that sux for you! You mighta done something wrong..... Mine works like a charm every time!

Nope, didnt do anything wrong. I have authored enough DVD's to know what I am doing.

Even Kwags site carries a list of DVD players that do and don't work with his DVD templates. I didn't actually check it but he is quite welcome to ad my Panasonic RV41 to his list of 'no good' players.

besides, I did check out the clip in PowerDvd. It was pretty good for the low bitrate, but nothing like as good as I can achieve with normal GOP's and higher bitrates. Getting HUGE amounts on to 1 disk is not what I am looking for, quality is more important, and to my eyes at least, I can do better.

[funkguy4]

45 minutes for 2.5 minutes of video? That's kinda slow.........anyways if you don't change any settings at all in the template then it works best...I don't know if you did or did not do that so, I'm sorry that the way I do it isn't a method that you like. :P

[bugster]

45 minutes for 2.5 minutes of video? That's kinda slow.........:P

You misunderstand me. The encode was just a few minutes, authroing a few more, then burning, which took about 15 mins at 1x, most of that was writing the lead out!

[funkguy4]

I'd like to point out that the quality of KDVD (DVD or remarkably similar), is probablly easily high enough for the video generated from DV. :P :P

[State Of Mind]

LMFAO, I guess my posts turned into a big debate off topic for other users. Well, my story goes...I edited out the frames I didn't want with VirtualDub and frameserved into TMPGEnc, *MPEG-2 740X480, 2000 kbits, 29.97 fps, 32000 Hz 96 kbits* and a filesize of about 15.5 MB/Min doesn't look TOO bad. I just wish I knew a way to smooth the fast motions scenes because the motion has lines in it. I have attached a sample screenshot to illustrate what I am talking about...

[bugster]

Your image does not appear, however the problem sounds like interlacing issues.

DV is bottom field first, ensure you have that setting when you encode.
Another possibility is that you are viewing this on a PC, this has a non-interlaced display. Try viewing it with PowerDVD, which has a built-in de-interlacer.

If this is not suitable for your needs, you will have to encode to non-interlaced. Tmpgenc does have a de-interlace filter, but the ones in vdub or avisynth are probably better.

[yg1968]

State of Mind's picture:
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/images/guides/p590248/Line%20Effect.jpg

[funkguy4]

And you're supposed to frameserve at 720x480 not 740x480!

Also, try the Deinterlace function in TMPGEnc, I think.

[State Of Mind]

I can't get the frameserver to work.

[funkguy4]

In VirtualDub, here's how yah do it:

Go to the directory where theVDub executeable resides and open the file Auxsetup.exe. Do install handler.

Close that and start the virtualdub.exe file. Open your source AVI and go to File -> Start Frameserver.

Start up TMPGEnc, load your .avi file that you saved in VirtualDub. Set the output aspect ratio to 4:3 and the audio to mpeg-1 layer ii and the btrate to something like 192 or higher. Start the encoding! Good luck! :P

[State Of Mind]

I know how to do it, but when I start it, where it says "Frames served" it stay at zero but the video.vdr.avi always is 50 bytes. I even did both the things the DVDRHelp guide tells you to do incase the frameserver won't work.

[thayne]

I see what he means by soft. I encoded a movie from DVD with Dr. Divx, and while the quality looks good, the picture is soft and the source is film, not interlaced.

Does Dr. Divx have any sharpening filters? I don't know much about it cause I just DL it the other day and haven't really had time to play around with the advanced settings

[State Of Mind]

Here's another small screenshot of the "lines" even with less motion.


So is the solution for this a simple de-interlacing or what?

[funkguy4]

Yah, I'm pretty sure that should work. I love Digital 8 instead of Hi8 since it's not interlaced

[State Of Mind]

Well, I have all the unwanted frames taken out of my video, but the frameserver won't go. It always stays at zero frames served. I have activated the AVIOnly thing and even extracted the plug-in into the VirtualDub directory as well as selected my audio codec and put an interlaced filter into the video. What else can I do?

[BJ_M]

Digital 8 is interlaced , at least most of them ive ever seen..

nothing wrong with interlacing if you are going to view it on a TV , in fact de-interlacing interlaced video if its not going to be used on a Pc will make it look worse (a lot of the questions here are because people did exactly that) ..

[funkguy4]

Um......the native VDub frameserver has never failed me. Reinstall it from auxsetup.exe. If that doesn't work, then I don't know what, but why are you frameserving anyway? If it's standard DV, then TMPGEnc can load it straight up (I think). People use VirtualDub for things like letterbox and audio decompression/demux.

And about the D8 thing, my camcorder is a mere few month old and does infact give me progressive frames (I checked).

[State Of Mind]

I know that, but TMPGEnc cannot remove frames from AVI files.

[funkguy4]

Oh yeah, sorry for my ignorance . Anyways, if you want, I can help you over a real-time chat session (on AIM or MSN Messenger).

AIM: WhackinCow04
MSN (hotmail account): funkguy4@hotmail.com

[BJ_M]

......

And about the D8 thing, my camcorder is a mere few month old and does infact give me progressive frames (I checked).

thats great --- what model is that ? I know Sony doesnt have one - though they have a feature called "Progressive shutter system" ..

progressive scan DV transfer can only be transfered properly by certain apps (since it is acccually transfered at 29.97 interlaced and converted to 24p by the NLE) . FCP , VEGAS , Blade can all handle the conversion properly and edit in 24p ..

[State Of Mind]

WhackinCow, the quality is at a point in which I can live with. Thank you very much for guiding me through. Is there anything else I can do enhance it? Clear it up anymore? I'll talk to you on MSN, bud.
Here's a screenshot of my face in XviD. It is my Digital Self, lmao. The Matrix has me...

[funkguy4]

I'm WhackinCow, mind you, and, to make i sharper, next time make it encode so that the Motion Search Estimate is Ultra High (level 6).

[State Of Mind]

It was set as that by default, it encoded the previous one shown in that screenshot with Ultra High (6). Using a higher bitrate would do the trick but I do not want much higher filesize. I can live with what I have.

[funkguy4]

OK THEN :P

[yg1968]

Um......the native VDub frameserver has never failed me. Reinstall it from auxsetup.exe. If that doesn't work, then I don't know what, but why are you frameserving anyway? If it's standard DV, then TMPGEnc can load it straight up (I think). People use VirtualDub for things like letterbox and audio decompression/demux.

And about the D8 thing, my camcorder is a mere few month old and does infact give me progressive frames (I checked).

I doubt that your digital8 camcorder is progressive. I don't think that digital 8 progressive camcorder even exist. The progressive shutter refers to the digital still (i.e photo) features of the camcorder but the video is still interlaced.

Progessive miniDV camcorders exist but they are rare and much more expensive.

See this link for more information on this subject:

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/progressive_video_ntsc.htm

[funkguy4]

Is it possible my capturing/editing software combines the interlaced frames into progressive ones?

[BJ_M]

Is it possible my capturing/editing software combines the interlaced frames into progressive ones?

its a DV transfer - so no ..