Gangs Of New York to...ONE DISC/ONE FILE...Success!!!

[jester1x]

I have tried various methods to put both movies onto one DVDR
and have discovered a successful method/process to do it! I tried
VobEdit, DVTools, extracting the mpegs using TMPGEnc's DVD Author,
IfoEdit, renumbering the vobs, etc...well...it didn't work! The one problem I discovered through all of this experimentation is issues with the header information. Only one movie was recognized each and every time. Anyways...I decided that I would not stop until I could find a method to combine both movies into one file and finally did it!

However, just realize my method involves REENCODING.
I simply encoded both movies using TMPGEnc 2.513 and used the exact same settings (VBR: 2500 minimum, 3000 average, 6500 max and set my audio to 384kbps) for both movies. I also did a little cropping of the film in dvd2avi because I remember someone (on this site) mentioning it was "progressive." I cropped the film because I noticed it appeared as though the right edge of the film would flicker back and forth ever so slightly (that explains what "progressive" is to me) when moving the slider in dvd2avi. I encoded in elementary streams, then multiplexed each movie into an mpeg. Then, I used the "merge and cut" option in TMPGEnc's mpeg tools section to combine both mpegs into one mpeg file with a correct header! So, the audio and video times were correct! It's shows up as approximately a 2 hour 46 minute and some seconds file in TMPGEnc's DVD Author. Most importantly I have no sync problems! I just got through burning the disc and watching some of it on my standalone. The second movie is perfectly in sync!

I have to add I did not use the resulting mp2 file from either movie.
I simply converted both soundtrack files to wav (48,000, 16 bit) using dbPowerAMP, then reencoded to ac3 (224kbps) using Soft Encode. The total size of the disc came out to 3.98 GB (4,276,363,264 bytes). (I may up the rate of the ac3 soundtrack because it looks as though I can spare the room.)

I have to say the picture looks great! My methods may be a little unorthodox, but I did some clipping in TMPGEnc also. Clipped one pixel from the top and bottom and clipped two pixels from the right and the left while in "full-screen" mode. (The cropped size from dvd2avi was 696x390 because I got rid of the original black bars and that "flickering" on the right-hand side of the picture). I hope I remembered the ratio correctly from dvd2avi! I used the "center custom size" option and resized the picture to 720x392, so it came out letter-boxed (well, maybe pseudo, but the aspect ratio looks correct on tv in my novice eyes). I did some experimenting with some other movies using the custom sizing option and found cropping a pixel or two around the edges got rid of that "noise" at the edges where the black meets the actual picture. I also lowered the "gamma" to "-1" in the option where you can do simple color correction. It makes the black bars appear blacker (to me, at least) which I prefer. Anyways...I hope this aids some of you out there because I can now employ this method with other two part movies. (I have to admit I enjoy reencoding because of the process involved.) When I watch a flick I reencoded, I have a visible, tangible result of my efforts! Oh, forgive me if I sounded brash or arrogant. I consider myself a beginning novice. Any questions, please feel free!

[mrbass]

thanks for the report...all I can say is 'flippers' were manufactured in hell by satan himself.

[jester1x]

You are welcome! I do appreciate the response!

[vance43211]

i was in the same situation as u

and i refuse to stop until i find a short and simple way to do 2 dvd to one

without any serious encoding

if u want to do 2 dvd to one

i like dvdshrink because when u put it together with dvd toolbox

u can put 2 different dvd to one dvd and keep everything seperate

and keep original chapters for both movies

i reauthor just the main movies from both disc uncompressed with dvd shrink with their own folders (u should know how to do this

i then cut and paste the second disc vts_01_0 ifo and bup files(i leave the main video_ts ifo and bup file alone) and all of the vobs after i rename all of them to vts_02 (ifo bup and vobs) to the folder of the first disc

make sure u cut and paste the files to the first folder. and leave the main video_ts ifo file and video_ts bup file of the second folder alone.

the second dvd files look like this.

vts_02_0ifo
vts_02_0bup
vts_02_1vob
vts_02_2vob
vts_02_3vob
vts_02_4vob
vts_02_5, etc

i then use dvd toolbox to fix all of the ifos

i load the dvd files into dvd toolbox

i then push create video manager. click ok. then click execute. than click analyse

wait for toolbox to fix everything (correcting all the ifo) then correct dvd sectors (i use ifoedit for this) u can problaly use dvd toolbox for that

then if the combine movies are 6.5gig or less i shrink them with dvd shrink as it will quick and great quality, if they are longer than 6.5 gig i shrink them with ic7

when dvd shrink is done burn with your dvd burning program

which by the way, ic7 kill all the competition with it come to shrinking a 12 gig movie file

i then have a 2 movie dvd (quality better than svcd)

u just have to push title two on the stand alone dvd player to see the 2nd movie

u will have figure that part out by yourself as every dvd player is different

on one dvd player i get push the 2 button and it automatically came up

on another i mess around for 15 min before i found it (i have to push the display button to change it)

[vric]

I done it very late yesterday. (or very early today )

I used Vobedit to join the second disk and put ID3 when they ask

then rename the vob from the second disk VTS_01_6.VOB to VTS_01_10.VOB.

Copy them in the same directory as the first disk. you should have VTS_01_1.VOB to VTS_01_10.VOB

Open IFOEdit and click Create IFO. Select the first vob.

IFOedit will make the IFO. now, click on get VTS sector (don't know why)

Now you need to click on each audio track in VTS_01_0.IFO AND Video_TS.IFO and choose a language for this track.. do the same with the subpicture (here I choose to remove the unwanted audio track with stip streem)

after this you can open it wil IC7 and it will work perfectly.. sorry it's not a good tutorial, but it could help some ppl

[vance43211]

i use to do it that way

or i just rename the ifos to correspond with each other

and then use ifo edit to create ifo

that would problaly work on gangs of new york

but that don't work good when u do 2 seperate movies

as the vob navigation get confused

or u would have to watch one movie before u can watch the other

[thewitster]

Can you answer a very basic question for me then? I just tried to do gony to one disc and ran into a problem. I ripped and frame served and was doing the encode in TMPGEnc rather than Pinnacle so both discs would fit on one DVD and the video is . . not choppy but it stutters and I think it's from interlace artifacts.

How do I fix that? Deinterlace filter? Change the source?

I've encoded lots from DVD to VCD with TMPGEnc but this is my first tries at DVD to DVD with TMPGEnc.

Any suggestions are welcome - thanks -

[vance43211]

check out the previous posts

3 different ways to do it

don't use tmpgenc

[BJ_M]

"black" on a pc monitor and "black" on a tv are two different values .

the black bars should look slightly grey on a pc monitor .. (they will be black on a tv) ..

by lowering gamma (though you didnt lower much) of the whole picture you would have made it not only out of broadcast spec, but dimmed the picture (as seen on a tv) .

all that clipping and resizing was rather unnessessary as your tv doesnt show 10% of the total picture anyway .. you would have just reduced the picture quality and the letterboxing was correct when we did the encoding in the first place ..

progressive is in the glossary on the left as to what it really means ..

[jnk76]

I have done many flippers using vobedit, ifoedit and dvdone. Gangs should be no problem either. As stated above though.....I don't think this works for 2 different movies.

[disturbed1]

All I did was open the first VOB set with DVD2AVI, then added the second VOB set to it.

Decoded as one d2v, ran it through CCE at about 3000kbits avg, and authored with the 5.1 ac3. Fit perfect on one DVD.

For the extras, I ripped all from both discs, then made my own menus. Movie on one DVD, extras on a second, the way it should of been released in the first place.

You can also stream rip the m2v and ac3 from both discs. Import both m2v's onto Maestro's timeline, make sync audio, and compile. Then run that through DVD2One (or another). Works fine, but the quality is a little low.

There's only a 2 second blank screen where the discs would normally split.

[Doggiedaddy]

All I want to know is why? In a world of mediocre films at best a true masterpiece comes along only once in a blue moon. IMHO Gangs of New York is such a diamond in the ruff. I myself gave the work it's due and proper on 2 full DVD/Rs and am happy to give it all the quality space it deserves.
jm2c
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[BJ_M]

All I want to know is why? In a world of mediocre films at best a true masterpiece comes along only once in a blue moon. IMHO Gangs of New York is such a diamond in the ruff. I myself gave the work it's due and proper on 2 full DVD/Rs and am happy to give it all the quality space it deserves.
jm2c
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exactly -- use 2 dvdr's --- later on you wish you had as you move into higher resolution home monitors/tv's

[timmmay]

I did it the easy way also. VobEdit to rip the streams, re-authored the streams in DvdMaestro, ran it with dvd2one, then finally burn and done!!

[AndThenSome]

I had the same problem Jester mentioned; two on one disc meant problems whenever I changed chapters or ffwd/rwd the movie. Frustrating!

The easiest way I have found for two movies on one disc was to rip the files and compress them seperately with DVD2one (2100mg). Then I import the DVD files into TMPGenc Author and wham...I have all chapters with menu option to select a track.

It works GREAT and has been easy.

[mazinz]

i did a somewhat easier method for what you want to do using a differen't film. All you really have to do, if menus are not the biggest concern is rip all the files to their native format (ex disc one video as an m2v and the ac3 streams, same with disc 2). i also make sure the ripper is told not to split the files up and save them as one big file instead
Once i have them i used dvd maestro, inputted the first film and all audio tracks, then made a second clip using the 2nd disc. But here is where i connected them. At the very end of the first clip i told maestro to jump to the next clip. Authored the disc and used dvd2one to make it the 4.33gigs in size

Depending on your dvd player the jump looked like a layer change, and what is even better is lets say i had audio track 3 selected for clip 1, when it jumps to clip2 it sitll keeps audio 3.

Also concerning gangs of NY the region 2 pal disc did it correctly by putting the film on one disc and the extras on the other

[vance43211]

AndThenSome

awhile ago i tried to import vob files with tmpgenc dvd author

and it said it didn't recognize ac3 files

has that changed now?

[spaceman]

Also concerning gangs of NY the region 2 pal disc did it correctly by putting the film on one disc and the extras on the other

Yes they sure did + it made it real easy to backup.

Makes a change for a region2 disc to get the better deal.God knows why this didn't happen for the region1 disc though.

[AndThenSome]

You are correct, it doesnt regonize AC3. But only when it is in an MPEG2 file. The vob's import great if you use the "import dvd file" option instead of the "import file" button.

As long as the vob is "preshrunk" with dvd2one it imports just fine. I left about 200 mgs open for the simpler styled menus.

Reencode? hells no!

[AndThenSome]

Oh yeah. You have to make sure there is an IFO file for Author to find. You even get the option to import separate PGCs if there is more than one on the disc.

I havent tried an episode disc but if you rip em seperately and transcode them to seperate vob/ifos then this import would allow menu selection of the tracks as well.

[bumper314]

I done it very late yesterday. (or very early today )

I used Vobedit to join the second disk and put ID3 when they ask

then rename the vob from the second disk VTS_01_6.VOB to VTS_01_10.VOB.

Copy them in the same directory as the first disk. you should have VTS_01_1.VOB to VTS_01_10.VOB

Open IFOEdit and click Create IFO. Select the first vob.

IFOedit will make the IFO. now, click on get VTS sector (don't know why)

Now you need to click on each audio track in VTS_01_0.IFO AND Video_TS.IFO and choose a language for this track.. do the same with the subpicture (here I choose to remove the unwanted audio track with stip streem)

after this you can open it wil IC7 and it will work perfectly.. sorry it's not a good tutorial, but it could help some ppl

I used this method, and things work OK, but I encountered 2 problems.

1. The subtitles were huge, blocky, and ugly green in PowerDVD. I tried to fix this using IfoEdit, but no go, my edits didn't seem to have any affect.

2. DVDshrink 2.3 freezes right at the middle of reencoding, sometimes giving an error, but I forgot to copy it down.

Anyone else notice this problems?