New Copy Protection for DVD's

[scottvf]

Check this link out...
http://asia.cnet.com/newstech/personaltech/0,39001147,39138741,00.htm

[txpharoah]

I read that link....
Did anybody catch this statement:
"a high-definition version ...... encoded in WM9 format"

Talk about an oxymoron.

Why would I sit in front of my computer anyway? I don't care if it brings Arnold into the room - I watch movies on my TV from the couch.

And while this new technique may work today, it won't work tomorrow. If I can see it, it's mine.

[SquirrelXss]

Looking at this link makes me do one thing, not tremble in fear of the MPAA. But ROLL ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING MY ASS OFF.

[ROBERT BLACK]

Seriously. How long do you think it will take before someone comes up with software that decrypts this?

[Bob W]

"A recent reissue of the blockbuster Terminator 2 contains a DVD-ROM version of the movie with a new anti-piracy technique: 5-day viewing licenses issued over the Internet."

That statement alone tells me this will fail big time.

[wgymiski]

I wish I had known this before I bought it. Guess I will not bother tryin to watch on the computer.

[The village idiot]

I wish I had known this before I bought it. Guess I will not bother tryin to watch on the computer.

Just wait a while. If it becomes popular, someone will crack it!

[andkiich]

This was tried once before, the original DIVX that Circuit City tried to peddle off on us.

It failed, and I do not see this as being anything different.

[Cecilio]

well i got a suggestion on how you can still watch it. well you need a tv out card and a cature card. you connect the computer to your TV and you connect your VCR to the television and you record the movie. then you capture from the vcr to the computer and make a dvd.

[Cecilio]

but i mean wow they really thought of something really good this time. i just wonder how many millions of dollars they wasted all for nothing. cause its a sure thing that it will be cracked. oh and well this movie you could watch it on your regular stand alone dvd player right?

[freakyalbino]

well i got a suggestion on how you can still watch it. well you need a tv out card and a cature card. you connect the computer to your TV and you connect your VCR to the television and you record the movie. then you capture from the vcr to the computer and make a dvd.

that is A way, but the loss of quality would be astounding. even using svhs its not worth the trouble.

[dcsos]

No Cecillo you can't watch it on DVD player cause its WM9 file on DVD surface (however the companion disc is the already released T2 on DVD..you get both when you buy it)

well i got a suggestion on how you can still watch it. well you need a tv out card and a cature card. you connect the computer to your TV and you connect your VCR to the television and you record the movie. then you capture from the vcr to the computer and make a dvd.

Great IDEA?
Nope this is HI-DEF it won't show on your TV..And If it does..Is that VCR a "D-VHS" machine costing a thousand or more
Not unless you got this hardware could you get it!
and then boy would you need a capture card that's not listed on this site like the CINEWAVE (1024x768 and higher captures possible)

Check out my post on T2HIDEF version here
T2 EXTREME, what's the Special Edition?https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=575296
or www.avsforum.com[/quote]

[Takenover83]

I own this dvd and it is frustrating, Every program I have used to try to convert the WMV files have failed because they are licenced.

[likwid8]

LOL a wm9 format... I dunno why they even bother with this... millions of dollars for what? so they can lead the industries thinking they made it harder for the crackers....and for what else? to be redeemed of glory for 2 months of not less untill they found a solution for this protection. To my understanding, anything asking for a license over the net is a easy going. If you can bypass a license fee from an Microsoft OS system, u think a DVD movie would be determined of more value? Bah oh well, I dont endulge in bootlegging or pirating, but to my knowledge if I have the right to back it up I shall, I am not going to buy something just so I can still be paying for it like a monthly fee everytime I want to watch it. DVDS are as easy to fondle as peeling an orange, hehe my 2 cents

[ChrisX]

I recently bought this "T2 - The Extreme Edition" and I wasn't aware of this ridiculous: 5-day viewing license and a requirement of the user's IP address to be in the US.

I thought someone did mentioned of this 5 day license weeks ago and didn't really concern me then.

Anyway, no problem playing the normal DVD in the usual DVD player for viewing on the TV.

I can still play most of the two disks on the normal DVD player. The T2 HD theater version and a couple of extras needed be in the DVD-ROM.

I'll get the chance to play the normal extras of "No Feet but What We Make" and "T2: On the Set" on the DVD player.

I haven't tried the DVD-ROM HD extras yet as I will need an upgraded computer. The specs at the moment as too low to play it satisfactory.

For "High Definition" DVD play is recommended the PC to be 3Ghz CPU, 512 RAM and 128 MB of video and to be activated.

Even if I don't ever bother to watch it on the computer's DVD-ROM, it wouldn't matter as I already got another NTSC T2 disk as in theater version anyway.

I think the "T2 - The Extreme Edition" is a waste of money and I am not getting the value.

[poopyhead]

the wm9 hi-def format also only contains the theatrical release version of the movie..no extra scenes included

[LanEvo7]

They really have to stop spending so much money on (useless) copy protection. I mean the DVD can only be played in the US. So imagine how much sales they will loose in Asia. And no, no everybody in Asia gets pirated items.

[scottvf]

I always wondered, why do they make dvd's by regions? Why do they care what country you watch it in? Wouldn't they sell more dvd's if you can watch it anywhere? (You can't buy a dvd as a gift for a relative that lives in another country because it's region coded, Makes no sense) After all VHS tapes aren't region coded.

[phatslug]

I always wondered, why do they make dvd's by regions? Why do they care what country you watch it in? Wouldn't they sell more dvd's if you can watch it anywhere? (You can't buy a dvd as a gift for a relative that lives in another country because it's region coded, Makes no sense) After all VHS tapes aren't region coded.

To answer with an example...
A favorite show of mine, Futurama. Now here in the US, some syndication laws prohibit releasing a season on DVD until about 5 years after the season airs. In the rest of the world, no such law, its a US law. So different regions permit them to release the season DVD much earlier, but on regions that wont play here in the US.

[Anonymoususer]

hey what if, noone can ever find a solution to this...? Im scared* Im kidding

Anyway I just wanted to point out as it says

new anti-piracy technique

I think this is definatly an experiment that is bound to fail really really badly* 8)

[poopyhead]

blah..as long as we still use our current DVD players, which only recognizes CSS encryption, then the MPAA has no choice but to continue let ppl use DeCSS to decrypt commercial DVDs because our current dvd players can't handle any new encryption created by the MPAA without some sort of firmware update and/or hardware update...most likely the latter....

any "new" encryption would have to be computer based, which is pointless because most ppl watch DVDs on standalones anywayz...

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the MPAA will definitely have a new, "badass" encryption ready when the blue ray/laser comes out......but it's gonna be awhile since DVD players are just beginning to get as much market penetration as VHS players back in its prime

[likwid8]

I always wondered, why do they make dvd's by regions? Why do they care what country you watch it in? Wouldn't they sell more dvd's if you can watch it anywhere? (You can't buy a dvd as a gift for a relative that lives in another country because it's region coded, Makes no sense) After all VHS tapes aren't region coded.

To answer with an example...
A favorite show of mine, Futurama. Now here in the US, some syndication laws prohibit releasing a season on DVD until about 5 years after the season airs. In the rest of the world, no such law, its a US law. So different regions permit them to release the season DVD much earlier, but on regions that wont play here in the US.

Yah but I think scottvf refers to movies, hes trying to say basically how before a movie on VHS can be viewed anywhere in the world (if proper adapter) without a problem? Did they either come up with these laws after DVD was out? I agree with scott, the idea of Regions is stupid (Only for movies wise) and your comment about the series I agree... But the VHS statement says clearly that these laws are dumb.

[Jo]

Can someone please tell me if this is the case and you need online verification to play the dvd movie in your pc what happends to the people that dont have the Internet

[housepig]

I always wondered, why do they make dvd's by regions? Why do they care what country you watch it in? Wouldn't they sell more dvd's if you can watch it anywhere? (You can't buy a dvd as a gift for a relative that lives in another country because it's region coded, Makes no sense) After all VHS tapes aren't region coded.

Another reason as well - look at 28 Days Later. It's only been out in the states for 3 weeks, but it's been out in the UK for a while. Not all movies are in simultaneous worldwide release, so region coding was looked at as a means to keep the dvd sales from interfering with theater sales.

This problem has also been influenced by the decreasing time period between the theater and the video release - years ago, the movie came out in the theater, then a year later it was out on video for the rental market ($60-120 per tape), then it would hit wide release at consumer prices... maybe. (I still have some VHS tapes that are ex-rentals, that have not yet been released as a consumer-level tape - I had to get them second hand, because the only new-old-stock copies are still $70-80 each!)

Now the movie comes out, and by the time it hits the second-run and $2 theaters, it's already out on dvd.

[andkiich]

Region coding has been a round for other things other than movies. Video games have had region codes since they went to the cd/dvd format a long time ago. Some computer software has had region coding in it.

A lot to do with it is sales and availability. There are very few companies that can produce an item with availability world wide at one shot.

The biggest example I can think of this is video games, again. When the original Playstation came out, Japan sold out of it within the first week. A small percentage of these sales were to people that would take these systems and games and sell them to people in the US who wanted the system as soon as it came out. The problem got so bad in fact that the Japanese government was dishing out sever penalties to anyone or company that was caught exporting the system or games. It was hard enough keeping the systems in stock in the country, let alone trying to supply a whole other continent.

You're customer base is also different as well. Movies and games that sell here may not sell in other countries and vice versa.

It's essentialy a whole logictical nightmare, all through out. I worked in the video game industry for 5 years before moving into the traditional IT job I have now, so I've seen this happen numerous times.

[ChrisX]

On the subject of this ridiculous DVD regions and I understand what the movie industry is trying to do with not so "simultaneous worldwide" releases of some titles.

As someone in this thread mentioned a TV series released on DVD as region coded outside of the US. This is so that someone wouldn't get an outsider DVD during a window period of 5 years is madness. This wouldn't stop some one getting the DVD and to play using a multi-region DVD player. This is a stupidity of copyright laws in the US.

I've seen cases of "music videos" or "live in concerts" released on DVD with regions on the disk. The DVD regions on music as so irrelevent and so ridiculous and supposed to apply for movies.

Even old re-releases as well are subjected this ridiculous censorship into another country.

[ChrisX]

Can someone please tell me if this is the case and you need online verification to play the dvd movie in your pc what happends to the people that dont have the Internet

I have thought about this: having no Internet access and how to activate the damn thing. There should be some way around to verify ownership of this DVD.

I may research on this later as I got an e-mail address to inquire about the activation thing.

I do have the "T2 - The Extreme Edition" and I may not ever play it on the DVD-ROM as I am outside of the US. This is stupidity.

Someone having no Internet access should get someone who can assist doing this by e-mailing for details so that someone can telephone them so activation can be done. I really don’t know.

Anyway, using the telephone can be done activating Microsoft’s Office XP and should some way similar to fix the DVD.

[mkelley]

To answer with an example...
A favorite show of mine, Futurama. Now here in the US, some syndication laws prohibit releasing a season on DVD until about 5 years after the season airs. In the rest of the world, no such law, its a US law. So different regions permit them to release the season DVD much earlier, but on regions that wont play here in the US.

Hey, not trying to argue with a fellow Futurama enthusiast (and the last four shows are going to be terrific. Too bad they're the last four shows...) and this really isn't an argument more of an observation: I find it hard to believe there are syndication laws as you mention, since there are so many exceptions to this. For example: in two months both the first season of Alias and the *second* season of 24 are coming out on DVD. CSI's second season is also coming out -- none of these are even close to five years. I probably could dig up at least ten other examples, as companies are now starting to realize the gold mine they have in these shows on DVD (which up until now was pretty unrealized -- that to me was the real reason we haven't seen shows released sooner).

There *may* have been syndication agreements in the past that prohibited such things, but it's pretty clear there are no such rules now.

[housepig]

I find it hard to believe there are syndication laws as you mention, since there are so many exceptions to this.

I don't think there are syndication "laws" per se, I think there are a wide variety of syndication contracts or agreements.

and like any other business, people are free to hammer out different agreements for different things.

[rilles]

One frustrating thing with regions I personally find is if a movie is released in say Europe, but the NorthAmerican distributor takes that same movie and cuts it up for Reg1 - your damned with the crappy release.
The only way around it is to p2p the movie, or buy it from a Reg2 source, rip the move and re-burn it to a DVD without encoding so that you can watch it on your TV.