Is This Legal ???

[tygrus2000]

Cecilio, unfortately, by bringing this topic on to DVDRHelp, you have now essentially banned yourself and really can only lurk the posts now. Now that everyone knows you are going to take free information and turn around and make a buck with it, you can't expect people to respond to any questions you might have once you get your business running, and there are always questions about this stuff, no matter how long you have been here.

Many in this forum have spent countless hours solving problems, myself included, and you are going to take that info and those solutions many worked hard at and run and make some money with it. I guess nobody can stop you or anyone from coming here, getting the info, then going off to charge people about it, however members are not going to devote any of their time to helping you now when its going to go directly to your pocket book. Anybody with other similar business aspirations should be aware of this.

I dont mind sharing experiences with people to help them save time, but you have only been a member for a few months, how do we know you have devoted any time to the solutions on this site? See my point.

Tygrus

[txpharoah]

Nah, I wouldn't say that. Running a business requires more than most people on this forum could handle to begin with. Why would you alienate him? Because you're jealous that he can make money and you cannot? That just doesn't make sense to me.

I made money from video before this board, I've learned a bit from this board, and I'll learn a lot after I decide to leave. I'll be making money the whole time. Am I now banned/shunned because of the interlace theory I've learned here (actually a link from here to 100fps.com) I've been able to use in my work? Or maybe some AVIsynth filters for a VHS restoration where I charged $100 (for the work I did, not the filters I used).

While the world would be better if information was free and money was not needed, that's just not true. Money is still needed at this date. His area has a need, and he took it upon himself to learn the information, and then was willing enough to teach it. Forget the money aspect. This kid wants to teach. Let him. He's shown his concerns already by making this post. If he didn't care about "what was right" he'd have just done it.

But let's not force our ethics and non-sense on him. Let's give him the facts, enough opinions around here, especially for my tastes. Some of these opinions here are no better than me trying to convince you that guns and executions are the way to get justice done (that's a big belief down in Texas).

The author of those free programs make the software because they want to or sometimes because a class makes them. Maybe they're hippies that see flowers all day and can't see past the joint they just had. If they wanted money, they'd have asked long ago. Some of them may have even wanted it, but are not able to do it, probably because of crappy business sense. So they did freeware, so tough on them. I get hit up for donations every week by everybody and their monkey, bull crap if I give to all of them, even if I do use their crappy return-address stickers. Same for these programs. Just because you feel the need to donate away all your money doesn't mean we have to. Give when you feel it's right, not because everybody says you "have to".

Another important thing is also being overlooked: If he makes a disc of 25 programs for $10, and 23 are open-source freeware, and 2 are not-for-profit but free-to-distribute, guess what? He can put all of them on the disc. Those two can be free bonuses. Just put them in a folder called BONUS. They're buying the other 23. Hell, he could sell 10 of them for $1 each and ALL of the other 15 could be free. This just has to be done within reason. You can't make a disc with 99 not-profits and 1 freebie and charge $100. Doesn't quite work like that. And remember, this is a civil tort more often than criminal charges, so it's easy to prove intention on distribution, given it's within reason.

Yeah, I'm not afraid to say what many people already believe. I didn't get where I am by being nice and giving away money and editing video all day long. Cecilio, you do what needs to be done to get where you want in life. You want new clothes, and you see this as an opportunity to get them. Go do it. You're not doing anything illegal, and your ethics are fine by the majority. You don't have to always cater to the whims of the minority. Thats what's drags this country down already - don't let it take you down too.

Next time I hear from you, I expect it to be a post with photos of new clothes. And you'd better hurry. Your summer is half over.

[Supreme2k]

Now that everyone knows you are going to take free information and turn around and make a buck with it, you can't expect people to respond to any questions you might have once you get your business running, and there are always questions about this stuff, no matter how long you have been here.

First, it's not like veryone has /will read this thread. Second, I don't see him being shunned because he's making a buck off of free info. Again, going back to the library example, should the librarians stop helping people once they learn that they are making money from the knowledge gleaned from the library books?

Many in this forum have spent countless hours solving problems, myself included, and you are going to take that info and those solutions many worked hard at and run and make some money with it. I guess nobody can stop you or anyone from coming here, getting the info, then going off to charge people about it, however members are not going to devote any of their time to helping you now when its going to go directly to your pocket book.

I think the problem stems from Cecilio admitting that he wants to make some profit from this knowledge. Who really knows how many people on these boards are getting free tech support, since they have not "come out" and directly stated that it is for their business?
Also, the haters here seem to be a little jealous (even before anything has happened) that some may make some money, and that he's some "little punk kid" 15-year-old.
I hate to bring up a tired cliche, but 8) don't hate the player, hate the game :P

[Cecilio]

well i already have a client for saturday. i made it for saturday, because i was gonna make some guides today and i will post them on here. oh and txpharoah right now i got some of the clothes but i still want more. hold on let me take pics of them so you can see.

[tygrus2000]

So by that logic, I could copy every guide on this site, make a book out of it and sell it? Is that right? I don't see that as right. Thats almost the same thing as selling bootleg dvds or cds.

For personal use, I dont have a problem with it, but to take somebodies hard work and gain from it without contributing is not a legitimate business idea. No matter if this site has copyright or not, people's creative work are behind many of the solutions and just taking those and running off to the bank is stealing. The exact same analogy is if Bill Gates found some OS code, packaged it up in Windows and sold it for billions. Is that OK?

[tygrus2000]

In my view, the information, guides, tools etc on this site should be treated similar to other royalty free content. For instance, music loops or stock photo content. The rules around such information is that you can use it for personal use, or to create an original compilation or original idea, but what you are not allowed to do is simply repackage it as is and try to sell it.

So for instance, you can use the info and try things on your own material, not a problem. You can use the information, tools, write a guide, run a business using the info. or whatever. All original uses, probably the same as actually teaching it. What you can not do is copy it directly and redistribute it for profit. Some DVD copy programs did that from this site and it was borderline, but they knew nobody was going to raise a fuss over such a program since DVD copying is somewhat murky itself.

[txpharoah]

The exact same analogy is if Bill Gates found some OS code, packaged it up in Windows and sold it for billions. Is that OK?

That's what Bill did to even get Windows. He screwed Apple. Take it, make it a little different (or a lot different in this case), then sell it as his own. There's no such thing as originality in this world anymore. We just change what's already been done.

Copying all the guides here would look messy. But a person that takes the time to take all the guides, make them flow better, make them more professional, and then publish a book for $20 each that becomes a best -seller? Good for him. I'd shake his hand for a job well done.

Just be cautious of legalities involved, notably plagiarism. But change it enough, and it becomes yours.

College professors and professionals publish material all the time. Primary research aside, a lot of what I wrote came from other sources. I wasn't born with the knowledge. I may footnote some thanks in the back, but what I wrote is MINE, and the knowledge, no matter the source, is free to all. If I gave my articles away for free (some of these PUBLIC forum posts would actually qualify as such), then I can't come whining later that I missed out on selling my info. I shouldn't have done it. It's no different than a murderer saying "oops, sorry" and expecting everybody to change for him.

If people don't help one another learn, even if for a price (college anyone?), then we'd all be in caves still if not dead.

If I see a photo I like, I can re-shoot it myself, and then sell it all I want, given that no contracts exists for exclusive photos of the object in question. Repackaging content, within legal allowances, is just fine. To hell with "ethics", especially when they are overbearing, unpopular, or just a simple mask to hide the REAL reasoning of another party.

[housepig]

So by that logic, I could copy every guide on this site, make a book out of it and sell it? Is that right? I don't see that as right. Thats almost the same thing as selling bootleg dvds or cds.

okay, yet again, we have Tygrus, Poopyhead, Derex888 and others arguing morality, and me, Virtualis, Txpharoah and others arguing legality (which is what Cecilio asked in the first place).

Depending on the authors' wishes about the guides on this site, it may be perfectly legal for me to download them all, print them out and sell them, or download them, put them together in an e-book and sell that. If the author has stated that the guide is free to reproduce, as long as the original author is credited, I can do that and still sell the work.

Is it nice? Depends on your viewpoint. Is it legal? Depends on the license the author has used to release the work, and the restrictions the author has placed on it.

By contrast, bootleg copies of Pearl Harbor or Eminem's new album have pretty explicit notices about who owns them, and that they are not freely distributable, and are protected by copyright law. You're mixing apples and oranges again.

We've been here for days because people are confusing what is "right" and "moral" with what is "legal". There are lots of legal things that I don't agree with, and a bunch of illegal things that I'm all for. But what I think is "right" is not the issue here... Cecilio is asking what is legal.

[Cecilio]

look ive already made one guide for making an all in one guide for DVD to CVD/SVCD/DVD. click https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=167502 to see and tell me if its good or give me critizism or however you spell it, because knowing whats wrong with it, can help me make some minor or major improvements.

[tygrus2000]

Legality is a direct result of morality and ethics. The two are intertwined to a great degree.

There seems to be a knock in this thread against anyone who isnt using their knowledge from this site to make money and somehow these people are hacks and inferior. I can tell anyone who thinks that had better get that notion out of their head cause there are a good proportion of users on this site that are extremely sophisticated and they have plowed through problems that would make your head spin. If they choose to do that for a hobby and not a business, that is their choice, however, they are as capable as anyone in turning it into a profit. They are also as entitled as anyone to share their thoughts on fair use of material.

As far as use of information, some think anything goes. By that logic, someone could take this entire site, copy it over, call it dvdrhelp2.com and charge $5 bucks to get in. Would that be ok to you?

[Cecilio]

i was gonna take pics of my current clothes that i bought and well i was going to show the new clothes i buy using the cash i earned, but my Digital Camera sucks. its a ViVi CaM by Vivitar or i think. but it really sucks. as you can see

and

the color quality of the camera sucks

[DeadLamb]

not sure with so many super, super simple programs out there a class about how to more or less 3 click back up any dvd is going to fly to well. Now maybe one about converting home movies and digital films over all and so on might be interesting but that is sort of outside the scope of your knowledge. I don't mean that as a slam at all, just that you mentioned one month of learning how to do this..

People don't really take a class, at least long the lines of "how to" ones, to have a few days of a smoke screen, then end with "Err or you can use this super simple program and click the mouse 3 times and be done"

For example back in school I took a course in basic photography. It was taught by an award winning photographer and it covered dark rooms and compositions and all that other stuff, a very wide range of scope.. Not "Point and click with your instamatic".. I would have been sort of pissed if the class was a little on back ground, then it was ended with "....and you point the camera and click the button, thanks for the cash, bye"

Now while there is a TON of back ground and so on to the principals and reasons behind DVD back ups and digital video on the cpu over all. Errrrr but in the end many of the programs now are getting to the "instamatic" sort of level.. Not sure a class that will be more or less --click here-- will fly to well..

Still if this is something you want to push forward you really might think about if you can even teach a class at your age anywhere. Many schools have rules about age as far as who is in charge and so on due to insurance.. Odds are you can't teach a night class being most place have a time limit on age working past a set time. In the end it might be better to go for the local area and one of going to someone's home to show them how to work stuff.. Yeah it's only going to be a little $$ here or there but it's better then nothing..

Maybe try to get some sort of volume discount on a software package of some sort? Like a DVD authoring one.. then you can pitch a $60 "teaching" and hand them $60 in software (that you paided less for).. Just looking to be positive here in some way Bottom line, I hate to say this but I really can't see how a class with the scope your talking about can work for a fee of $60.

in the end, look to see if and where you can even teach a class at.. If you can't even find that sort of place it's a waste of time to even work at the rest of it..

[txpharoah]

Lots of bad comparisons, lots of narrow-minded ideologies, and lots of misinformation and overall lack of understanding of media law... that's how I'd describe much of this thead, and I'll leave it at that.

Cecelio, nice pair of shirts you got there. Brand name too, from what I think I saw. As your mom always says, don't forget to buy new underwear too!

Anyway, not sure how much a DVD to VCD/SVCD guide will come in handy. I'd suggest capturing/converting/burning from VHS source 1st, copying DVD to DVD-R 2nd, and DVD to VCD 3rd, followed by a little theory so they have a somewhat basic understanding of why (that funny little 3-letter question people like to ask so much). VCD is a dying format afterall (though far from complete death, much like VHS).

[Cecilio]

ive got a few others, but there just plain old regular t-shirts, you know the 20 dollar ones. i got those cause i ran out of money buying these lol.

[housepig]

@Cecilio -

you might want to PM any further pix to Txpharoah, as I think he's the only one in this thread that mentioned wanting to see them.

@Tygrus2000 -

There seems to be a knock in this thread against anyone who isnt using their knowledge from this site to make money and somehow these people are hacks and inferior.

I think that's your interpretation of this thread - it's certainly not mine. If you're looking for a pattern in these posts you'll find it... whether it's there or not.

a good proportion of users on this site that are extremely sophisticated ... (edit)... They are also as entitled as anyone to share their thoughts on fair use of material.

yes they are. again, no argument.

As far as use of information, some think anything goes. By that logic, someone could take this entire site, copy it over, call it dvdrhelp2.com and charge $5 bucks to get in. Would that be ok to you?

as long as you aren't copying guides or info that comes with a specific prohibition about copying and distributing it, go right ahead - whether I like it or not, you wouldn't be violating the law. You also wouldn't have me as a member, because if I'm going to give somebody money for a site like this, it's going to be Baldrick. But it wouldn't be illegal to do it.

Again - what I believe and what I think is right and what I would do or not do isn't the point. The point is, is it legal for Cecilio to do this? From his plans in his posts, the answer is yes. Would it be legal if Cecilio bootlegged 20 copies of DVD Maestro and sold them to his class? No. Is it legal if he uses and teaches about freeware & payware tools? Yes. Is it legal for him to distribute the tools or sell a disc of them? Depends on the licenses for each piece of software.

You want to start a thread asking whether it's right or moral? Start a new thread. Stop distorting the question on this one.

[txpharoah]

It's nice to see kids that still dress decently. I don't mind posting one bit to help you out, at least when I know the money is well used, not for drugs or video games or other crap. You keep teaching, and guys like myself will keep helping.

[Cecilio]

so has anyone seen my guide? i know its only one guide, but calm down im gonna work on a few more. i have till saturday to complete several more guides being that i am going to have a client wow the first client. im going over to her house.i am not yet going to teach VHS to DVD or capture to DVD. the reason why not is not because i dont know how to, but because i dont have a capture Card , but i do want one and capturing from staellite and VHS would be a walk through the park. i would probably learn how to capture and convert with almost the same, if not the same quality as the original in less than a day.

[poopyhead]

do we even care about legality anymore??? is Cecilio ever gonna get caught, even if he violates the DMCA? most likely not...that was never my point......if a drug dealer doesn't get caught, then why not..he's rolling in the dough...

there's nothing Cecilio can't do...HOWEVER, by ripping off of other people's hard work and ideas, without even giving proper credit BEFOREHAND is not right. sure, maybe incorporating some tidbits here and there into your current project...why not...but, Cecilio is considering selling the info he got from here....nothing to do with his current job (or even just a small part of it)...but completely making his entire business proposal out of selling the info from here for profit..??????????

if we all thought that way...who would ever bother posting any free information..... we'll gonna be charging each other for information..and Cecilio would be outta business.

in terms of papers, there is a requirement for listing the SOURCE ... otherwise, it will be plagarism....this doesn't just apply if you take a direct quote (copy-and-paste), but also if the IDEA is taken from another source, the source must be cited..otherwise, it is plagarism....

personally, i would be fine if Cecilio tells his students about these websites and forums beforehand (i.e. as some kind of citation for "his" info), and his students still want to pay him...then there's obviously something Cecilio is providing for his students that these free websites and forums can't...so, Cecilio does derserve the money for this extra service, whatever it may be. perhaps, the students don't have time, too lazy, can't understand the websites....etc... BUT, out of respect for the ppl who do put in effort to make the guides, he should give credit first.

[Cecilio]

actually poppeyhead i didnt learn most of my knowlege here i learned almost all of it myself, but of course everyone strives to know everything, so they ask for help like everyone does. i learned how to backup my own dvds myself. i didnt need help there. and i kept messing around with the settings alot until i got perfect quality results. secondly i can learn how to capture since i dont have a capture card. but ill tell you its easy as when i went to my friends house he had a capture card and well i tried it out and i got great results. so i know how to use a capture card. i dont have a dvd burner yet, but i already know how to author a dvd, as ive been practicing using TMPGEnc DVD Author. its a very simple program as you all know. i got a sample of DVD-Lab and i cant ever seem to work with the menus and it just seems to complicated. so i wont use DVD-LAB unless i know how to use it correctly. another program i tried, was DVD Complete 2.5 wow thats a great program ill tell you its very very good. the holly wood style dvds are very good as you can put your own warning at the beggining of a film and other things. so i guess what im trying to say is that i learn most of my things from trial and triumph, not by asking all the time. first i try and then i ask. the one thing i do remember asking alot back then was how to make CVDS i didnt know anything about it and i was a complete newbie, so every newbie has questions of course. but i learned how to get great quality results myself, i learned how to fix sync problems myself, i learned how to convert AC3 myself, i learned how to convert currupt AVI's and alot of things myself that you keep hearing being asked over and over. so i am not leaarning for free. because you know i have spent more than 3500 hours using my computer messing around with avi files, or DVDS. i spend around 10 hours here on my computer during the sumer and sometimes even more. during school i could probably use the computer from about 4:30 to 9:00, then use it again from 11:00 till like 1:30. and i have started since may of last year. i too have spent many hours using this web site. cause first i always mess around with my videos to see how i get better qualiy, then when i find the best method, i start encoding and go to this web site. and stay here for hours just reading and helping out.

[pacmania_2001]

Legality is a direct result of morality and ethics. The two are intertwined to a great degree.

You are correct, laws are based on what the society believes and values to be true and just, therefore if the law states that what Cecilo is doing is legal, that in part shows that a majority of the society have no problems (morally) with what he is doing.

[housepig]

do we even care about legality anymore???

yes, yes we do. in fact, some of us have never stopped caring about legality, despite various poster's efforts to divert the thread into the realm of morality.

this doesn't just apply if you take a direct quote (copy-and-paste), but also if the IDEA is taken from another source, the source must be cited..otherwise, it is plagarism....

I would suggest that you are stretching the definition of plagarism quite a bit.

[poopyhead]

this doesn't just apply if you take a direct quote (copy-and-paste), but also if the IDEA is taken from another source, the source must be cited..otherwise, it is plagarism....

I would suggest that you are stretching the definition of plagarism quite a bit.

high school english..i would hope you were told that before you wrote your papers

[tygrus2000]

I am not sure the law would call it legal or illegal. It depends. You dont have to state something is copyrighted, just its existence makes it so. Look up copyright law for digital media, like internet pics and such. The pics of Celios shirts he just put up are now copyrighted, we have no right to use them without his permission. Therefore, if somebody develops a guide or a method or a tool, how is that any different? I dont see it.

Celio is going to do what he feels needs to for his business, I just hope that he respects this forum and what it did for him in a few months. When I first joined here over 2 years ago, this forum was just getting going. When you search for anything in the forum now, you can usually find someone that has had problem before, then solved it with much discussion with other members. 2 years ago, that was not the case as many of these issues were being hammered thru from scratch. I would bet that 90% of these guides and tools were not available at that time,and the software was lacking also.

Even now many newbies disrespect the forum by asking the same old simple questions over and over again which can be easily found with like 5 minutes of searching, but you know what, they never get flamed, somebody always helps them. That says a lot about the professionalism and selflessness of the people on this forum compared to most other forums. I just hope its appreciated and not taken advantage of.

Tygrus

[housepig]

housepig wrote:

this doesn't just apply if you take a direct quote (copy-and-paste), but also if the IDEA is taken from another source, the source must be cited..otherwise, it is plagarism....

I would suggest that you are stretching the definition of plagarism quite a bit.

high school english..i would hope you were told that before you wrote your papers

better than that. when I was very young (maybe 8 years old) I plagarized something. And got caught.

In the effort to avoid that level of shame and embarrassment, I got very well acquainted with what is and is not plagarism.

But I'm not going to pursue it in this thread, partially because we're becoming abstracted from the original post, moreso because it's going to devolve into another "it's not right if you do this" argument, rather than "it's not legal for you to do this".

[housepig]

You dont have to state something is copyrighted, just its existence makes it so. Look up copyright law for digital media, like internet pics and such. The pics of Celios shirts he just put up are now copyrighted, we have no right to use them without his permission. Therefore, if somebody develops a guide or a method or a tool, how is that any different? I dont see it.

Wow... you're right. We better take down all the guides from this site, we're violating copyright.

Or are we? That depends on the guidelines the author has laid down. If the author has stated that only Baldrick can use these guides, then he is in effect assigning publishing rights to Baldrick.

If (as in the case of many, many pieces of written work the web) the author has made republication conditional on retaining the author's copyright information or some such (i.e. "Copyright (C) 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001 Joe Author - Verbatim copying and distribution of this entire article are permitted in any medium provided this notice is preserved.") then the author has laid down a guideline which does not prohibit someone from republishing it for money - only from republishing it without the correct author attribution.

[tygrus2000]

housepig, you are confusing "use of" with "distribution of" material.

The guides are put up into a public forum, there is no restriction on my viewing and "use" of them, no matter what Baldrick might state. Once he has put it up in that venue, its free to "view" and "use". A person cannot post public content then deny you to view it, thats not gonna hold up in any court. Thats like writing an article in a newspaper then trying to prevent people from reading it. Same thing is if I put up a digital picture here, there is no restriction from you "viewing" it for your own pleasure.

However, the minute you take that picture and alter it and post it on your site, or print it off and put it on your wall, or take Baldricks guides and change one letter, you have violated copyright, even if the material has not been labelled as copyright, it still is. Now as was mentioned before, you can go out and try to take the exact same picture and then that is fine, similarily, I guess you could go out and try to "co-create" a similar guide as a way around it adding your own spin. This gets very grey I think and probably impossible to prove.

Looking at Cecilio's first guide, it looks similar to some I have seen before, but I guess it has some differences. Whether that makes it unique, I just dont know.

[overloaded_ide]

Legality is a direct result of morality and ethics. The two are intertwined to a great degree.

tygrus2000 get real! Legality is the direct result of who pays the most to the goverment and for what!
Yea sure it SHOULD BE based on what is right, but anything that involves money the legality is how can the goverment TAKE the most or be bribed/payed off the most!

[gmatov]

This has already become a legal/moral issue.
I don't hold with those who say "You're just jealous because you can't do it/ you didn't think of it".
I haven't read enough guides to know if Cecilio's is copying too closely, or not.
I DO know, as I stated on his guide thread, that my version of DVD2SVCD is dated, it doesn't adhere to his guide, so I am going to have to update DVD2SVCD. So, he has helped at least one user, namely me.
And, I hope he makes a ton from this, as it most likely will be helping some old farts to do things they found undoable before.
How many of you came here because you weren't able to make a backup, or a capture that worked, or whatever? Most likely, most of you.
I know I came here because I had problems. I know I was helped, simply by asking a question, and waiting for a whole shitload of answers, most of which were pertinent to my problems.
I thank each and every one of them.
I have tried some of the guides, and found them to be convoluted, some too complicated to try.
I was pretty well stuck with DVDx, because I couldn't even get DVD2SVCD to highlight the "Convert" button, till a foreign friend (I consider him so, now) gave me some pointers. Now, it's my tool of choice.

Deadlamb,
You wouldn't BELIEVE the things that an older person will take a class on.
I, personally, work in a steel mill. We have a continuing education series for which all the classes are filled. This is after work classroom instruction, so some of my workmates have to go home, have supper, and drive back to the mill. Instruction covers the gamut, from Using the Internet, to Digital Photography, to Upgrading Your Computer, to Bonsai, to Small Engine Repair, to Shooting Lessons, to....you name it, we have it.
How many older people do you know who use their computers effectively? Very few, I would wager I build my own, I load my own, I repair them for my co-workers, and, if they ask, build them for them. I do this because I know how, and they don't, and I don't look down my nose at them because, how did the tech say it, "Pack it all back in the box and take it back, because you are too f***ing stupid to own a computer!" They need help, I help them.
Cecilio, at 15, has an idea he wants to try to make some money with, and help some old farts who need it, and are willing to pay for it, and the holier than thou crowd jumps on him.
Hey, bravo for him. Most computers are being sold with, at least, a DVD-ROM drive, if not a burner, and if a guy can afford the extra 300 or so, maybe with one. So, if, again, this old fart (I am one, y'know; I can say that) doesn't know what to do with it, and a mere boy of 15 says he can teach him, I think business will be booming. Better than having him say "Yep, I have a DVD burner. I don't know what the hell to do with it, but I have one.".

Housepig,
Harvey: excellent.
Blazing Saddles: goofy
Get Shorty: the Elmore Leonard book is 10 time as good. The book always is. You can't condense 10 or 12 hours reading into an hour and a half movie. Just read/watch Harry Potter. Plus, Travolta sucks, generally, I always flash back to Welcome Back, Kotter when I see him in a movie.
The other 2 I don't know.
'Nough said for this go round.
Stick with it Cecilio. You might ditch some of those shirts. They look like they came outa my closet, and I'm 4 times as old as you.

[Cecilio]

i am not going to use any of the current guides. i am going to make my own guides from my knowlege, the way i use my programs. and i am going to make the client a disk of software, but i am not going to sell it to him/her. so i am not going to copy any guides, or sell software, don't worry about it. and my guide, might look like Bakers CVD guide, but mine goes way in more detail. his was kinda more complicated, while as mine was made with less words and several pics. but you can't say i copied of his guide, cause its totaly different.

[Cecilio]

hey gmatov your DVD2SVCD is not outdated look at the guide once more, and look at the way you have DVD2SVCD Configured. and about the shirts yea some do look a bit old, but some are new and some are from a year ago and some are from the year before the last year lol. but hey they still look nice. but i want some more new ones so that when people see me they can see that i work for what i get. that joke about you saying that some of those shirts look like they came from the closet and your 4 times older than me was funny lol :P