He didn`t do anything wrong.

[Richard_Cranium]

In reference to this post.

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=166084


The guy wasn`t asking for movies,he was asking for the best download format.Also I`m sure you are aware that there are commercial sites where you can purchase and download movies legally.I think you guys overreacted when you shut him down the way you did,considering the fact that people talk about ripping DVD`s all the time but I guess it`s perfectly logical for someone to buy hundreds of DVD movies and back up every single one.Sure,no one here is doing that to rental movies,oh I see,you just can`t mention that you are.

[gmatov]

I won't go so far as the above, but I see nothing in the post that asks how to DL warez type movies. The boy is asking which format, pure and simple. If he was jumped on so hard because he is a perp on another thread, then the new warning system seems to be failing already. " You done bad, elsewhere, you must be up to no good here."
I might also add that the system doesn't seem to be working with the former jomo, now, shockingly, renamed "shop4tech". I mean, if I wanted you to think I was an innocent, I would probably pick a less descriptive name. And the yellow card under his name just seems to make some people jump on him with both feet. Maybe his grammar gets under your skins?
In the Optodisc post, at least, he is not trying to sell you anything, which is what I think he almost was banned for.
Good grief, I was telling everyone to go buy the HDD at Staples a couple weeks ago. I'm lucky I didn't get warned for "commercialism" at the time.
I could pick about 20 more on any given day that say go buy these blanks, they're on sale "here".
Possibly the newer mods need to hold their yellow cards and count to 10, before they say "Ye'r outa here!!!"

[AND1]

There is no 'best' format. MPEG is the most compatable (sp) but you can change/manipulate the other formats to one another.

[pacmania_2001]

Okay I will give him the benefit of the doubt and unlock the thread and remove his warning.

As for shop4tech his post was locked by Craig so I am not going to second guess why he did what he did.

Now that I've explained that can we agree to close this topic?

[Baldrick]

Please post feedback in our feedback forum. I'm moving this one.

[gmatov]

Thank you, pacman,
This will at least show that the system can be reversed if an error was made. I am not claiming that one was, on the mod's part. Just that it was a little short on specifics. If it does go deeper into DLing prohibited material, and the how to of such, I'm behind you, again.
We just can't jump the gun too much, or too many people might just think "Hell, you can't ask anything there, they'll boot you!"

[pacmania_2001]

I agree I probably did make a mistake, it was like 3am when I locked it so I have an excuse hehe.

[gmatov]

pacman,
Sorry, I didn't see the second line of your reply, on the locked thread. Blatant commercialism. No prob. I gotta reread them in the AM (PM?) to see what I missed. I wouldn't dream of letting one mod overrule another. Baldrick, OK, it IS his site, and he has said others can make errors.
The site IS getting away from VCD-SVCD, so I guess I'm gonna have to make the plunge sooner, rather than later, and buy a DVD burner. Just don't know if this is the right place to ask which format I should buy, I may get a flaming for being so dumb as to buy the "other" format.

[Craig Tucker]

I won't go so far as the above, but I see nothing in the post that asks how to DL warez type movies. The boy is asking which format, pure and simple. If he was jumped on so hard because he is a perp on another thread, then the new warning system seems to be failing already. " You done bad, elsewhere, you must be up to no good here."
I might also add that the system doesn't seem to be working with the former jomo, now, shockingly, renamed "shop4tech". I mean, if I wanted you to think I was an innocent, I would probably pick a less descriptive name. And the yellow card under his name just seems to make some people jump on him with both feet. Maybe his grammar gets under your skins?
In the Optodisc post, at least, he is not trying to sell you anything, which is what I think he almost was banned for.
Good grief, I was telling everyone to go buy the HDD at Staples a couple weeks ago. I'm lucky I didn't get warned for "commercialism" at the time.
I could pick about 20 more on any given day that say go buy these blanks, they're on sale "here".
Possibly the newer mods need to hold their yellow cards and count to 10, before they say "Ye'r outa here!!!"

He was given a yellow card (not almost banned, 5 yellow cards = banned) for blatant advertising on the forum, this was not in the optodisc thread, but another in the media forum. Whether shop4tech is jomo or not, this is a clear breach of the forum rules and constitutes a yellow card.

[Craig Tucker]

You can tell which post is responsible for the yellow card because it will say this below it.

You are in breach of the forum rules and are being issued with a formal warning.
/ Moderator Craig Tucker

[tgpo]

Whether shop4tech is jomo or not, this is a clear breach of the forum rules and constitutes a yellow card.

Either way, he's been banned. They were the same person, they both had the same IP address. He's been banned because after numerous warnings about advertising he started to pm people to tell them about his site. jomo you are the weekest link, goodbye.

[txpharoah]

They were the same person, they both had the same IP address. He's been banned because after numerous warnings about advertising he started to pm people to tell them about his site. jomo you are the weekest link, goodbye.

On company letterhead, I'm writing a formal letter to shop4tech and letting them know that Danny W. is the sole reason my company will not being buying thousands of media from them... EVER! I suggest others out there do the same. That guy REALLY irritated me, and it's hard to piss off this Texan.

That kid is causing that company a mountain in bad public relations, and he deserves to be fired. Unless he's the owner (which i HIGHLY doubt). Then he'd just be an idiot that deserves to have his company go down in flames.

As far as the guy getting a thread locks because of asking about download formats of movies... that's fair. He was obviously asking about Kazaa or something similar. Legal movies are mostly QuickTime or WMV these days, and found for download on Web sites. In any case, with all the pressue these days, and with Baldrick having to watch his butt, it's better to be safe than sorry. The guy can ask again, but rephrase the question better next time.

[gmatov]

Craig,
I know. I didn't mean in the Optodisc thread. I mean in the others, which, in my opinion, he was so blatantly egging people to buy shop4tech products, whatever. That was where I meant the "near banning"
Thanks for the guidance on the offending post. I didn't see that one, and assumed he got the card for his Optodisk remark.
Is the card icon linked to the offence? Can it be? Might be helpful to see what kind of offence one is guilty of, before judging if he should be ignored. An error in judgement is one thing. Being a total ass, deserving of ostracism, another.
We've too many of those already, particularly some who will jump all over "unnamed" everytime he makes a remark. They get to be a bit tiresome.

[housepig]

As far as the guy getting a thread locks because of asking about download formats of movies... that's fair. He was obviously asking about Kazaa or something similar.

I'm going to have to beg to differ with you. check out www.archive.org. There's 1200+ movies on that site, and most of them are available in divx, vcd and dvd formats. So it's possible that he's asking a legitimate question.

This goes back to "assume positive intent". I didn't see anything in his original post that blatantly screamed "warez". If we're going to start assuming that someone is up to no good, shouldn't we start with a significant portion of the people here using Maestro?

[txpharoah]

check out www.archive.org. There's 1200+ movies on that site, and most of them are available in divx, vcd and dvd formats.

I must be dumb. I didn't see any kind of movies for download.
EDIT: Found it. Ha ha. "Moving Picture". I think my grandparents used to say that back in the day.

So it's possible that he's asking a legitimate question.

He may have. I'm just saying it was worded badly. They're just being cautious. Bootlegs has been a problem here lately. Too cautious? Maybe. Maybe not. I would stand by the lock, though maybe remove the warning from his username. Maybe he should provide a legitimate example next time, like links to a movie trailer site or something. He obviously has something in mind to ask it.

shouldn't we start with a significant portion of the people here using Maestro?

I wish. If I see one more stupid Maestro/Scenarist question, I'm going to vomit. If they owned it, they'd have known the answer. It's in the book for crying out loud!

[willy_annand]

The site IS getting away from VCD-SVCD, so I guess I'm gonna have to make the plunge sooner, rather than later, and buy a DVD burner.

You got that right.

Lately it seems that 80% of the posts are "How can I Rip (off) this DVD and make my own copy?"

With 10% being "I just downloaded this file, how can I get it to be a DVD?"

Only 10% are concerned with my procedure, "How can I take me VHS collection and move it to DVD?" or "I have captured a file and want the best quality when converting to DVD, how do I do it?"

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I have never "ripped" (off) a DVD, so I guess I am in the extreme minority.

[adam]

I wish. If I see one more stupid Maestro/Scenarist question, I'm going to vomit. If they owned it, they'd have known the answer. It's in the book for crying out loud!

I'm guessing you've never read the manuals to either of these programs Believe me, they really don't help that much, the Scenarist manual in particular.

[Cornucopia]

I find the Spruce Manuals very easy to read, even if they are long--newer updates are clearer though.

Scenarist, OTOH, has a manual that uses circular explanations!
I had to read this thing about 18 times, and it still gives me some trouble.

Those manuals would seem to reflect their program ownership.

[Will Hay]

On company letterhead, I'm writing a formal letter to shop4tech and letting them know that Danny W. is the sole reason my company will not being buying thousands of media from them... EVER! I suggest others out there do the same. That guy REALLY irritated me, and it's hard to piss off this Texan.

That kid is causing that company a mountain in bad public relations, and he deserves to be fired. Unless he's the owner (which i HIGHLY doubt). Then he'd just be an idiot that deserves to have his company go down in flames.

....and he deserves to be fired

You really are the worst kind of human being that ever existed, aren't you?
They really scraped the barrel of human excrement when they created you, didn't they?
You don't know anything about this kid other than he made a few annoying posts, somewhat naively, regarding the company he works for.
For all you know the kid may own the company, he may even have a learning disability and thought he was doing a good thing.
The point is you don't know and your ignorance and lack of responsibilty for your actions makes you as worthwhile to society as sewage.
I was going to finish with a somewhat sarcastic comment along the lines of...
...I hope you sleep better for doing what you plan to, but it saddens me to think you probably will.
You are not responsible for this site, the responsibility for the actions of this annoying member lies with the moderators who have acted accordingly.
The day you take up a moderator post on this site I will never, ever, ever post again.
Will Hay

[Craig Tucker]

Is the card icon linked to the offence?

If a member recieves a yellow card it shows up under the members name on all past and future posts, until such time that a moderator sees fit to revoke the yellow card.

[housepig]

You don't know anything about this kid other than he made a few annoying posts, somewhat naively, regarding the company he works for.
For all you know the kid may own the company, he may even have a learning disability and thought he was doing a good thing.
The point is you don't know and your ignorance and lack of responsibilty for your actions makes you as worthwhile to society as sewage.

Silky...

(okay, I can't believe I'm jumping to Txpharoah's defense here... )

What about Jomo's lack of responsibility for his actions? He repeatedly broke the rules of the board, he was repeatedly warned, and he continued to do it.

And because he was doing it in the service of a company, unfortunately that company is going to feel repercussions from those actions. I fail to see how letting a company know that someone is turning off potential customers is a bad thing, or how that makes him irresponsible.

"A few annoying posts" is one thing... sending advertising spam in private messages to members is another... especially when you have been warned about doing it. He needs to take responsibility for it.

"He may own the company." If you own a business, and you see that your actions are giving your company a bad name, and you continue to do them? Then he needs to take responsibility for that.

"He may have a learning disability". So what? Should we make allowances for posters because they are handicapped? What else should we make allowances for? One of the best things about a forum is that you are not judged by your age, race, appearance, gender, sexual preference... only by what you say and how you comport yourself in the forum.

What he posted and how he acted got him warned, got him flamed, and ultimately got him banned, and now may get the company he was pimping some nasty letters.

But Txpharoah is acting irresponsibly? Txpharoah is "human sewage"?

As much as I may not agree with him, I don't see his actions being the problem here.

[Will Hay]

Yep, point taken.

[willy_annand]

You really are the worst kind of human being that ever existed, aren't you?
They really scraped the barrel of human excrement when they created you, didn't they?

Actually, I agree with txpharoah.

if someone is representing a company, there is a certain decorum that must be followed. If someone was working for me and giving my company a bad reputation, I sure as hell would like to know about it.

It would then be up to me to take steps to either educate the employee or remove him from my company.

As a business owner it would be far worse for me not to find out about the actions of an employee and lose business without knowing about it.

From your comments I concluded one of two facts. Either you are a friend of this fellow OR you have never owned or even managed a business venture.

Take it from me, one disgruntled customer will not get anyone fired, however it will get them retrained or reprimanded. Repeat offenses will result in termination. I work like a baseball umpire.... 3 strikes and you are out.

[Will Hay]

if someone is representing a company, there is a certain decorum that must be followed. If someone was working for me and giving my company a bad reputation, I sure as hell would like to know about it.

Like I said, the same point made earlier was taken on board.
Perhaps the general opinion I have of txpharoah had clouded my judgement on this occasion.
The comments I made regarding excrement etc. were uncalled for and on this occasion I apologise to txpharoah, however

....and he deserves to be fired

Then he'd just be an idiot that deserves to have his company go down in flames.

Comments such as these are uncalld for and were the basis of my initial post.
Like I say, I apologise.
Will Hay

[txpharoah]

Comments such as these are uncalld for and were the basis of my initial post.

Well, you've got to remember what I do for a living. I work in media relations. Company image is a large part of what we do. If a guy like that were making such a mess with my company, I'd walk into MY boss'es office (several floors up), and tell him, almost word for word, that our employee was harming our business because of his own stupidity. And yes, some cases have been so bad, that we not only fired a person, but sued them for libel/slander. While this "jomo/shop4tech" charactoer doesn't deserve anything like that, he either needs a good dressing down. Fired may have a been a bit harsh, and that kind of wording was not mentioned anywhere in my letter. I wrote it yesterday, and it's already in the mail. From a business perspective, his actions were obscene.

As far as a BUSINESS OWNER trying such shotty practices, going so far as to get himself banned after being warned (TWICE!), I still would think his company would eventually go down in flames. I've run a business before. That's NOT how you operate. Would I take pleasure in seeing his company fall apart? No, not really. But it would be sad, and very much expected out of that sort of half-wit management. Again, I've seen these things in action, and it never fails to result in a buy-out by quality management or a outright dissolution of the company and its assets. For now, we can only wonder what role "Danny W." serves at shop4tech.

[txpharoah]

I wish. If I see one more stupid Maestro/Scenarist question, I'm going to vomit. If they owned it, they'd have known the answer. It's in the book for crying out loud!

I'm guessing you've never read the manuals to either of these programs Believe me, they really don't help that much, the Scenarist manual in particular.

Depends. I'm mostly speaking about basic questions. How to import, how to save, etc. What I call "duh!" questions.

No, I don't read manuals. Typical male here. Unless my wife starts griping, but that's normally with microwaves or vacuum cleaners, typically in response to my questions of "what the hell is this" or "what does this thing do".