kazaa users beware!!!

[mysticgohan17]

Watching my bootlleg of M2 it dawned on me, The MPAA will only protect what makes them money. All the summer blockbuster movies, (Matrix, Tomb Raider, T3, HULK) will be protected to the fullest extent of the law, (which doesn't matter considering the terrible job they've done) because they believe they'll lose money from them being screened for quality of content (pirated). I've seen the Matrix enough times in the theatres to eventually purchase the DVD, untill that time, i feel comfortable watching it's lower quality counterpart in my home.

[indolikaa]

Well, everyone's already beaten me to the"This is just like the old USSR" analogy, and the "What ever happened to due Process and a Search Warrent?" questions

No offense intended, of course. The analogy seemed quite appropriate, given that at the time, the Soviet Union assumed you were always guilty regardless of what really happened. Isn't that how the RIAA feels? It's certainly how Orrin Hatch seems to feel.

I was always led to believe that the Sony Betamax lawsuit protected our right to backup our material. Chew on this: if we are legally allowed to backup our material, why is there CSS and Cactus DataShield and SafeDisc. Don't these very codings prevent us from fufilling our legal right, as defined by the US Supreme Court?

I transferred one of my Fred Waring and the Pennsylvanians LPs to CD so I could play it in my car. I know, I know, I'm going to hell. But it's hard to find a record player that looks good in the dash of my '86 'vette! I pray Comrade Hatch is lenient on my soul. :P

[txpharoah]

Getting law enforcement/FBI involved has got to be illegal. Copyright infringement/violations is a civil matter. The complaintant must gather evidence then bring suit in civil court, and unlike criminal court there does not have to be 100% solid evidence and absolute jury guilt finding to prosecute.

You are 100% incorrect. Please re-read the copyrights laws. Remember that FBI warning that appears on all tapes and DVDs? It's not there to look pretty.

[mmmbeer]

If you use Kazaa Lite there is something under settings I believe that says don't list files or something to that extent. If you don't check it all they have to do is right click on you and select find more files by this user and bam you're busted. If you move your files to a non-shared folder they can't see what you have only that you were connected to the network itself. Kazaa is honestly the worst right now as far as security goes and unless you're running it off a proxy you can and might be caught. Klez is running rampant on there as well. If you mistakenly open that one you might as well take your pc and junk it. There are a few MORE secure networks popping up every day. Earth Station 5 is one as well as freenet however the membership base isn't up there as of yet. Myself i only get obscure old deleted 60's scifi stuff anyways that has long been off the airwaves. They are specifically targeting people who SHARE massive amounts of music that is made by people on the RIAAs list of supporters. Most are top 40 crap anyways that I wouldn't BUY much less download.

[indolikaa]

You are 100% incorrect. Please re-read the copyrights laws. Remember that FBI warning that appears on all tapes and DVDs? It's not there to look pretty.

It's a big-time federal felony. And when you're done bunking with Bubba, the civil suit that follows makes Bubba look pretty.

You must buy,
You must buy,
You must buy,
Propane. :P

[mmmbeer]

Luckily they are being white about it and doing settlements with people. Too bad all that these suits will do is increase the rate at which faster more heavily encrypted networks will develop. If there was no price gouging I would think that there would really be no need for the networks themselves as well as the putting out of cds with 1 or 2 good songs on them and 12 that really blow. I would pay for a service that let me make my own compilations without the hassle.

[Styro]

txpharoah:

You are entirely correct (as usual). I was on some medication when I wrote that.

What I meant to say is that copyright violation should not be criminal offense that law enforment needs to be involved. It is a 'corporate law' that degrades the public rights by limiting the public commons. While works should be protected for some time after creation, the originally written time limit was more than adequate. Getting back toward topic, the quesion now is the limit on the 'fair use' clause and penalty for copyright violations.

Suing, or taking other legal actions, against the unauthorized distributors of copyrighted works is one of many reasonable actions that the RIAA/MPAA may take. I would much rather see the RIAA/MPAA distribute their product over the internet at a reasonable price and using a format that allows 'fair use' to the consumer. By 'fair use' I mean that the consumer may make unlimited copies, convert the file format, burn onto any media, and be assured that the original file (and copies) will be playable regardless of technology/legal changes. If the consumer, without authorization, distributes the file (or copy) in any manner, then the copyright holder may persue legal actions.

-- Styro

[negon]

they have to make the cd's cheaper than downloading 13-15 songs for 50 cents. it really doesnt matter, people (stupid teenagers) will suck up whatever MTV tells them to.

That's a little prejudiced...I'm a "stupid teenager" and I don't even watch MTV, much less suck up whatever they tell me to.

[Styro]

con't...

As for what the RIAA/MPAA wants to see in law...? Over-priced licensed works with a proprietary format. Consumers ('marks') would purchase licenses for a certain number of 'plays', when the 'plays' number is exhausted the file is erased. Only pre-approved licensed and purchased software can play the file. The OS would not allow the file to be copied or archived. The file format could not be changed. To burn the file to a pre-approved media, the mark would have to pay for another license (per burn) and purchase a pre-approved burning application. Burned content has no guarantee of playability on any device whatsoever. OS stores licensing information securely and any attempt to find/modify this information would result in removal of all licensing and licensed content. Content could not be stored on removable media. If media where content is stored is removed more than five times in the past year, then media is considered removable and any content stored on media is erased (over-written then deleted). Any violations of these law is punishable by life imprisonment and fines of no less than $2 billion per offense (cash on the barrel please). Laws, rules and punishments will change without notice - deal with it!

-- Styro

[mmmbeer]

Earthlink has a new p2p system too. The downslide to it is the $.99 per song charge to burn them. Not much difference in price from the price gouging retailers.

[txpharoah]

con't...

As for what the RIAA/MPAA wants to see in law...? Over-priced licensed works with a proprietary format. Consumers ('marks') would purchase licenses for a certain number of 'plays', when the 'plays' number is exhausted the file is erased. Only pre-approved licensed and purchased software can play the file. The OS would not allow the file to be copied or archived. The file format could not be changed. To burn the file to a pre-approved media, the mark would have to pay for another license (per burn) and purchase a pre-approved burning application. Burned content has no guarantee of playability on any device whatsoever. OS stores licensing information securely and any attempt to find/modify this information would result in removal of all licensing and licensed content. Content could not be stored on removable media. If media where content is stored is removed more than five times in the past year, then media is considered removable and any content stored on media is erased (over-written then deleted). Any violations of these law is punishable by life imprisonment and fines of no less than $2 billion per offense (cash on the barrel please). Laws, rules and punishments will change without notice - deal with it!

-- Styro

To quote Metallica: SAD BUT TRUE!

[verchad]

To build off of someone elses point, they ( riaa ) get no additional money from used cd's that are purchased at resale/trade in stores. The used cd store in my area seems to do a good business ( used cd's, used video games, used dvd's, some new stuff ). I know that I have seen some stuff there that looks like it's not even the original disc or paper jacket/liner notes in the case. So, what about people who copy their cd's and then sell them or these copies back to the resale stores, how are they going to go after them? There are so many resale shops around. They ( the government ) busts the flea markets for illegal cd's, but seem to leave the stores alone ( cause they pay taxes? ). I guess it's easier for the riaa to go after the people using the web instead of going after all of the stores scattered out there. I can't wait for apple's system to be available for pc users, how many albums are out there that all 10-15 songs are great? I like a lot of obscure music and a lot of it is not available in stores. Hopefully, apple will have some of this stuff. Also, I read an article a while back about the library of congress selling cd's of music to people and questioning if royalties were paid to the proper companies. If they would just bring down the price of a new cd to $5 to $10 they would sell a lot more.

[Darakis]

Going on ones PC and looking for these songs is also an invasion of privacy. Yeah sure, they say they're looking for downloaded media but there's no telling what else they're looking at.

[troyvcd1]

I gotta agree. Just sell the cd for $5 and people will be glad to buy them. $20 for a cd. I dont think so. I say screw all these rich music exectives and these rich musicians too. Let them make money the old fashion way and get their money from live performances.

[Denvers Dawgs]

I am also curious about how they will find the mp3s on peoples computers. Will they just access anyones computer and search for mp3s? Or is it just the folder that is shared?

[xXripperXx]

You guyz think they will sue against you if you use Kazaa Lyte ??? Its not kazaa or would they count it as kazaa and if they dont LETS all move to Kazaa Lyte :P

This is stupid you CANNOT stop p2p shareing if your stopping that then y dont you just stop trading baseball cards amoungst children, its basicaly the same thing.

I know someone said something about if they stop kazaa another one is going to pop up thats true example
Napster-------> Only Songs-------->Sued and Shut
Kazaa--------->Media---------------> Threatened to be Sued
Who knows wat can popup next there is no stopping the internet its our rights to do wat we want on there, legally, and sharing should not be sued against this is just trading in a way. Well thats my 2cents lol

PS
Wouldnt it be hacking if they can access your computer and c wat you are sharing??? I am Sueing them lol if they do that

[pyrate83]

Really all they have access to are the files that you are sharing. If you move your files from your shared folder and then deselect the option that allows you to share your files there should be no problem. Of course someone out there has to share files or else P2P would not work...now would it? But keep in mind...it's possible for them to get your IP address.


If a CD didn't cost $15-$18 and you got more than 3 good songs off of it CD, sales would be up...it's the industry's fault that sales are down b/c they are charging so much.

[lacywest]

Check this link

http://www.moviecodec.com/mb/topic.php?tid=8213

My own personal experience ....

Fast track is helping ISP companies find violators. One of my girlfriends recently got a nasty letter from Comcast Cable out of Fresno,CA. Related to some files [Splinter Cell Game] she was sending out through Kazaa. She is no longer using Cable to connect to the Internet ... she had to reply to them ... she told them ... her teenage son was responsible.

I help her pay for her DSL PacBell connection. But she wanted to try the Internet through the Cable Company ... it was faster.

I get 150 kb connections ... she was seeing 200kb and more by connecting with a Cable modem ... instead of a DSL modem.

Any emails I send to her Cable email address get returned but her PacBell DSL account ... are not being returned.

Copy of her nasty email

Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:16:36 -0600 (MDT)

* * * IMMEDIATE ACTION and REPLY REQUIRED * * *

Please read this entire message, review the required action(s) below, and send a prompt reply message to acknowledge receipt of this email.

From: Comcast Abuse Department [abuse@attbi.com]

Comcast has been made aware that you have violated the Comcast Service Agreement and/or Acceptable Usage Policy. These policies can be found at http://help.broadband.att.com/security. Failure to comply with these policies may result in a permanent termination of your service. The account holder is solely responsible for any and all activities performed from the Comcast service.

Please read the following information carefully to ensure that you understand the violation, our policies, and what you need to do to respond to this warning.

Type of violation: Distribution of Copyrighted Material

Explanation: Comcast has received notification of alleged copyright
infringement originating from the Comcast account registered to you.

Action Required: We will require your timely assistance in blocking
accessibility to the alleged infringed materials and then notifying us when the materials are no longer publicly available. By federal guidelines stated within the DMCA, this matter needs to be resolved quickly. We will therefore require your immediate investigation into this notification.

Here is more info [I've changed the person's name]

IDSA has a good faith belief that the Internet site found at fasttrack://
SillyGirl (KaZaA)@25.126.124.208/ infringes the rights of one or more IDSA members by offering for download one or more unauthorized copies of one or more game products protected by copyright, including, but not limited to:

Splinter Cell
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon

The unauthorized copies of such game product[s] appearing on, or made available through, such site are listed and/or identified on such Internet site by their titles, variations thereof or depictions of associated artwork (any such game titles, copies, listings and/or other depictions of, or references to, any contents of such game product, are hereinafter referred to as=E2=80=9CInfringing Material=E2=80=9D). Based on the information at its disposal on 4/17/2003 6:48:34 AM GMT, IDSA believes that the statements in this notice are accurate and correctly describe the infringing nature and status of the Infringing Material.

OKAY GUYS .... My lady friend freaked when she got that email.

She is no longer using Comcast to connect to the Internet.

Sincerely ... Mach10 ... aka Lacywest

P.S. This is real ... her actual true name was also posted in the email along with her Kazaa nickname ... and I also changed the ISP number too.

[The village idiot]

Check this link

http://www.moviecodec.com/mb/topic.php?tid=8213

My own personal experience ....

Fast track is helping ISP companies find violators. One of my girlfriends recently got a nasty letter from Comcast Cable out of Fresno,CA. Related to some files [Splinter Cell Game] she was sending out through Kazaa. ....

Nothing new to Usenet users, just part of the game. Only new to P2P. They have been cracking down on some Usenet postings for several years, and the notices are very similar. You normally get 5 days to comply with the warning. If you post copyrighted material through your ISP's usenet server, you may lose your service. If you post through a third party usenet server, you may only lose that usenet account. Nothing another $10 can't fix.

They started by downloading the whole whatever. Then they were able to just go with the NFO or text file. Then people started to upload crap, calling it whatever the hot item was. That set the Narc's back a large amount. It is tough to accuse someone of corpyright violation when the unpacked archive contains nothing but self created pictures that suggest the narc go and do rude things to themselves. So now it is back to needing to download some or all of the item for proof. Notice I said some. Depending on the type of file contained in the archive, you may be able to recreate a part of say... an mpeg, with just a single .RAR file. And until the reporting agency, or copyright owner, makes enough false claims, the ISP's will be quick to comply. Especially Isp's like Timewarner's Roadrunner, and AOL. Verizon fought to keep the IP's unknown because they knew it would effect their subscription rates. That includes the guys with SDSL and T-1 or T-3 or OC-3 lines, etc.

Just wait until they start going after the downloaders. Purchasing/possessing stolen goods is still a crime!

[mysticgohan17]

They could create a conspiracy along side Nancy Regan to prove downloading is a "gateway drug" that leads to bank robbery. That'd scare the shorts off middle america.

[The village idiot]

OH $#!+ so that's why I've been driving too fast, and thinking of robbing a bank! That damn gateway criminal activities thing. Or is that, that you want to steal Gateway products. I don't know, I'm so confused now

[rhegedus]

Don't you think that if they spent as much effort tracking internet child pornographers as they do music fans, kids could still play in the park without their parents being worried about them?

Who matters most: some fat, bloated media execs or a kids with no political sway?

[indolikaa]

Not in America. There's no incentive to put forth the effort.

If you're downloading music off Kazaa, you're not contributing to their well-being. And since their lobbyists have money and influence, they become the movers and shakers. Things like child pornography are just pushed aside as 'the way things are' because abused children have no money to influence anyone with.

If you're downloading child porn off Kazaa, you're just a social problem that we should have the government spent billions of tax dollars to control. After all, no child pornster is ever responsible for his/her own actions. It's society's fault. It's Uncle Ben's fault. It's never the abuser's fault.

Kids always matter the most. Capitalism could care less.

[ldbs]

you I watch Entertainment tonight, and i see these movies stars and singers have houses like 10 the size of any normal house with soccer fields for back yards!

YOU see that is what we do, we help the rich get richer and richer!
and they still want more of it.

U know the RIAA and whatever else is trying to get congress to pass Bills and stuff like that,
when has a normal Human that has the right to Vote ever been able to pass a Bill infront of congress?

i thought we all lived in a Democracy no?
I guess the people that make things happen the votes, our opinions dont count.

[lacywest]

I took Sociology last semester ... and in between the voters and the voting system is special interest groups ... they are the ones to influence ...

Lobbyist groups and special interest groups are out there ... trying to make a difference ... get involve with them.

Unfornately ... what we are doing is illegal ... so we wont get much help ... it will be the hackers that will challenge them and hopefully ... pass on their knowledge to us on how to beat the system.

[ldbs]

someone said by law we are allowed to make duplicates right? of things we own is that right?

so when DVD's companies put encryption on the dvd's so people can't copy it properly is that legal or illegal?

when cd companies put special encryption so normal people can't copy normal cd;s is that legal?

i mean if a cd u owe got scratched and u called Universal or Sony, or ur PS2 game stopped working U think u can call up the company and ask for another one?
I mean com on 88bucks for a game, or 20dollars for a music cd or 24 for dvd u think u can get another one from the company?

I think not.

[indolikaa]

It is my understanding, through information outside of this website, that DMCA did not undercut the Supreme Court ruling Sony v Universal. Therefore, we still have the right to backup our own material.

Now I could be wrong on that, but the information came from a friend. Other than the fact he's a sorry-ass New York Mets fan, he's generally a good guy and pretty reliable with his information. However, if anybody out there has better information or can clarify, speak!

[mysticgohan17]

I go into IRC chats and the first thing to pop up is a disclaimer basically telling anyone related in anyway to the RIAA, MPAA, FBI etc; to get the f*** out, I've read stuff from google searches about this 1995 Internet Privacy Act signed by Bill Cliton, I came up with some pages denying it was ever passed or in some cases it never being probosed in either houses of congress (USA), is that all bull sh!t?

[Reaper88]

http://www.boycott-riaa.com

[ironwood321]

There a article related to this form of entrapment at http://www.tech-critic.com/comments.php?catid=1&id=4904