kazaa users beware!!!

[Reaper88]

This is all a big scare tactic by the RIAA. You really think they are going to sue Millions of people for sharing a few mp3's. I think not. They may go after the guys shareing thousands of files and the have t-3 conections but that would proaly be it. It is just them trying to scare people so they will stop sharing. Is Bull s***t. Just like the RIAA.

[Reaper88]

And anther thing, They said they will get your IP adress to find out who your are. I got one word for them " Friewall"

[trialsofg]

There was a system once upon a time called Personix. They used a jukebox style machine that allowed you to pick and choose the songs you wanted on your cassette. Unfortunately, they went belly-up.
I would definitely pay for MP3 downloads if they gave us a large selection, options (album or song), and a great price. The amount that they make off these pieces of plastic is obscene! I sure hope they get the version Apple is running soon for all PCs.

[Piccoro]

go to http://whatismyipaddress.net/ (had a better one but had many popups)
Shows your ip.
They could get your ip.
Firewall prevents unauthorized access beyond your firewall. Programs would give access if you enabled uploading.-example

[mmmbeer]

And anther thing, They said they will get your IP adress to find out who your are. I got one word for them " Friewall"

As long as you're on the network you're visible firewall or not. Now if you're running a proxy or a router you might be semi-safe but don't count out them actually going on the networks themselves as users. Peer guardian will bounce mosy spybots but if they implement people to go on the network they can get your IP. Plus with the amount of viruses running rampant as of late you would be better trying out another network.

[txpharoah]

This is all a big scare tactic by the RIAA. You really think they are going to sue Millions of people for sharing a few mp3's. I think not. They may go after the guys shareing thousands of files and the have t-3 conections but that would proaly be it. It is just them trying to scare people so they will stop sharing. Is Bull s***t. Just like the RIAA.

Guess again. Things like CAN and HAVE happened. Want a current example? Go look at DirecTV and its current fight on anti-piracy.

[spiderman2k1]

This is a bunch of crap there will bea new P2P software that will make it very hard to track people. There already software to fool them on P2P LOL. I'm not saying it's right to steel. Any thing that's can be made into binary. You just have to face it it's never going away never. There will alway's be people that will pay and always be people that will take it for free. I have a friend that work's for FYE and FYE own's Strawberry music and Strawberry has low price's and there owned by FYE. Now if the store's lowed there price's on CD's down to ten buck's for a album and Apple music store charge 50 cent's for a download most people would buy then download

[sysrq]

the harder they try to stop people downloading, the harder we'll try to continue doing it. its simple. for example, in the old days, copying software was easy, now they have put copy protection so what happened? of course we found a way around it by using "NO-CD" patches and other things like cracks and key generators. what ever they do, someone will just find a way around it.

All the viruses i have ever had came off kazaa. and not forgetting to mention the illegal under-aged pornography on it.

[mysticgohan17]

This is a bunch of crap there will bea new P2P software that will make it very hard to track people. There already software to fool them on P2P LOL. I'm not saying it's right to steel. Any thing that's can be made into binary. You just have to face it it's never going away never. There will alway's be people that will pay and always be people that will take it for free. I have a friend that work's for FYE and FYE own's Strawberry music and Strawberry has low price's and there owned by FYE. Now if the store's lowed there price's on CD's down to ten buck's for a album and Apple music store charge 50 cent's for a download most people would buy then download

they have to make the cd's cheaper than downloading 13-15 songs for 50 cents. it really doesnt matter, people (stupid teenagers) will suck up whatever MTV tells them to.

[hilikus]

I guess my question would be, can they see every file on your computer or is it just the "downloads" file you have connected with your P2P program? My thought was that since you're on the P2P network and you are making the one directory visible that that is all they would have access to. If they start hacking peoples machines to see what's on them, I don't see how everyday people or the government could stand for that. That's an invasion of privacy and highly illegal. People are prosecuted all the time for hacking.

[Craig Tucker]

I just wish as much effort was put into prosecuting real crimes. You would get less than that for holding up grocery store.

whoa this is a great country, in the future ill tell my kids not to download music, but you can ROB A MOM AND POP SPOT

What ?

I was saying that more effort should be put into prosecuting "real" crime such as robbery, where there are real victims whose lives can be ruined as a result of such actions. When you see someone recieving a longer sentence for sharing a movie than someone who has held up a convienience store you realise that the justice system is all screwy.

I have got no idea what you meant by your comment.

[Bullworth]

The public in general needs to be educated more on this issue. Since the RIAA took Napster to court, there was alot of publicity, and now you don't hear anything about it at all.
Last night they were talking about this topic on the news. Alot of dumb people to say the least. There's a local jazz group here who gives free concerts on a regular basis but is against people d/ling their music because their recording label is already hitting them pretty badly in their pocketbook and "each time someone gets one of our songs from the internet it's another hit we can't afford." Hmmm... let's take a look at this again. Lots of free concerts and high fees from recoding label; I personally don't know why they're not making money.
On the other hand Big Head Todd and the Monsters are still glad that people d/l their music because it tells them that fans have not forgotten about them.
A legal analyst towards the end of the segment said that most likely the RIAA was not going to prosecute each and every "violator", it's just logistically impossible. They were probably going to bid their time and find teen Joe Average and get the courts to throw the book at him just to make an example out of him to make the public think "Oh, $***!, They really are serious! Personally, I don't keep my d/l'ed files in the same directory, I usually move them or burn them to a RW after a week or two.

[tenders]

the RIAA and MPAA are just creating more publicity which in turn,will generate more d/l.

BE AFRAID....
BE VERY AFRAID........

muhahahah

[MachineMan]

The price of music CD's is retarded! If they lower the price then more people including myself would buy them. The music industry is ripping off the consumer and screwing the artists. This is what they deserve, there empire is collapsing and they need to adjust the prices to stay reasonable in todays industry.

[Don2050]

For anyone wanting to see how easy it is to obtain IP's for anyone connecting to you over P2P networks download TCPview

http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/source/tcpview.shtml

run it while you are on one of the p2p clients .... you can monitor this nativly in windows xp or most firewalls do it...but this freeware prog is basic and lets you see how easy it is.

I can easily imagine them investing in a few dozen computers or more and setting them up with the most common p2p clients and loading them with highly sought after files(movies/music) already on the net and just collecting vast databases of IP's of people connecting to them....and I can also imagine them having a program that in turn automatically tries to connect to any of those IP's and scan through a list of songs and if you have one download it from you...again collecting this info in a database somewhere. Then after you have enough evidence (mulitple downloads from certain traders,etc...) take legal action however you please. Now that the courts ruled that verizon had to hand over ID info at the RIAA 's request I am sure that will clear the way for them to start prosecuting as they please the vast database of IP's they have collected and probably still are collecting.

[ldbs]

I always wondering how some cd's appeared online before there official release date. Does teh Riaa wonder how it happens? or does it assume some John Doe of the streets walks in the recording studio and robs them blind?Iwonder if any members of the riaa have children that use computer and or if their children use kazaa or download music when they are at home and of the job. probably or maybe.....I mean where does the music industry lose money? I think they lose more money making fancy covers and pictures then actually writting and producing songs on CD-r's that don't cost so much....I think they should worry more about people working with the artist then people using kazaa, cause at most cases their own studios are or is what is releasing music to the general public....if u buy a cd with 15songs how many will make u want to dance, or whatever anyone does and how many will make u sleep, people want choice, but i guess democracy and all dont really matter because hollywood is taking over. If the RIAA comes out, what about the authors of books, that many children walk in a library or something and photocopy a page or something. I am so sure teachers actually write the author of the book to get premission to copy two pages to hand out to 100students. maybe they should come out and complain. Don't artist make enough money from concerts, I hear of concerts selling out in 30minutes like eminem etc, how much money does one person want wow incredible. Basically what i am trying to say well i really dont know to be honest, dont they know that majority of computer users Also support music movies, etc and go watch a movie at a theatre, personally I do, why download it, the qaulity must be crap and spending 4-6bucks on a Movie with friend is well worth it, but as for music the US people that use computers and download and i am sure their are a lot, wouldn't hte riaa be afraid that it will make users from buying cd's?
THink about it if people didnt buy music for a day or two they would be brok the ( industry that is )

[painkiller]

I wonder what would RIAA would do if half the planetary population increased/shared all their files??

Would they be willing to pony up all of their assetts to sue them all?

[pakman]

LOL... what little respect the RIAA had left is going down the drain... Suing filesharers individually??? A true sign of sheer desperation...

And oh, there are going to be some VERY happy lawfirms that are gonna bill some EXPENSIVE time to the RIAA and be laughing to the bank... Darn, should have listen to my parents years ago and gone to law school...

Out of curiousity, I do have a question for most of you, especially the one's who say current music CD prices are too high. At what price would you begin purchasing CD's again? $10? $5? What about the price of purchasing a license to download a full album legally?

[MachineMan]

<$10 per CD would do it for me.

Apple has that service where you can download music for $1 a song but you can pick what you want. I haven't tried it and probably won't anytime soon. But when you buy a music CD not all the songs are good. Sometimes you spend >$15 for only a few good songs.

[warlock110]

under 10 bucks is still expensive to me, as a student that doesn't have much income, alot of students now a day don't work. 10 bucks can be an issue, i mean 10 bucks for a CD is a big problem, with 10 bucks they can try and buy other stuff that's more useful than a cd. the price to produce a CD is as listed: blank CD 10 cents, cover and case 50-70 cents, and they are saleing it for more than 15 bucks per cd, check that out, no wonder people are downloading music.

[killmore]

There is a P2P network thats completly untracable! You have no IP address!

Try http://freenet.sourceforge.net/

It is free, allows to share files and even webpages.

[pacmania_2001]

the price to produce a CD is as listed: blank CD 10 cents, cover and case 50-70 cents, and they are saleing it for more than 15 bucks per cd, check that out, no wonder people are downloading music.

I'm sorry if this sounds like a flame but that is one of the most ignorant comments. That is like saying it only costs Microsoft $1 to develop an operating system.

The costs you have listed are variable costs. These increase per extra unit produced. What about the fixed costs? The money they have to pay for things like marketing, artists contracts, production costs and other over heads. That's also not accounting for things like failures. Look at Michael Jackson's latest album. They would have spent a fortune in the production of it and lost big. Therefore to recoup those costs they spread it over the prices of their other products.

[dcsos]

I think Apple has a service like that. You pay to download copyrighted MP3s legally

NO THEY DON"T USE MP3's they use a new propietary kind of compressed file that won't play on anything but an IPOD

And you don't get unlimited use of the FILE
THERE ARE MANY COPYRIGHT RESTRICTIONS on what you download
(# of times you can copy, etc.)

Just like their competitor MICROSOFT (with their digital rights management circus) they haven't gotten it right!

IMHO when all these special things go away..
THAT IS - WHEN LIKE KAZAA you can download an MP3 then people will pay to use it!

[ldbs]

does this mean when the RIAA is downloading music to see where it's coming from they are infringin in copyright laws?
they are downloading of users still therefore there is some play in that in downloading music....they dont hold the copyright laws..

anyway the point is
has anyone gone to thise guys houuse to see what is on their copmuters.??

[Bullworth]

Not really ldbs. Take undercover narc agents for example. When they go out and pose as pushers selling "crack", usually well-roasted acorns, they are doing it in the line of duty so they are not breaking any law since they are trying to rid the streets of the real pushers and deter users from buying. If your average joe were to try to do this hes get a pair of cuffs slapped on him as well as a jail sentence since although he may not have been selling drugs he was "attempting" to do this by passing another substance as a drug. Just about the same principle would apply to the RIAAs method of posing as a user to trap people who download. The big exception being this: I respect cops but I hate the RIAA.

[The village idiot]

For anyone wanting to see how easy it is to obtain IP's for anyone connecting to you over P2P networks download TCPview

http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/source/tcpview.shtml

run it while you are on one of the p2p clients .... you can monitor this nativly in windows xp or most firewalls do it...but this freeware prog is basic and lets you see how easy it is.

I can easily imagine them investing in a few dozen computers or more and setting them up with the most common p2p clients and loading them with highly sought after files(movies/music) already on the net and just collecting vast databases of IP's of people connecting to them....and I can also imagine them having a program that in turn automatically tries to connect to any of those IP's and scan through a list of songs and if you have one download it from you...again collecting this info in a database somewhere. Then after you have enough evidence (mulitple downloads from certain traders,etc...) take legal action however you please. Now that the courts ruled that verizon had to hand over ID info at the RIAA 's request I am sure that will clear the way for them to start prosecuting as they please the vast database of IP's they have collected and probably still are collecting.

I'm going to quote this, becuase this has always been my point too!


Also you could get "greedy dog", which is a freeware port logger/ethernet sniffer, and collect all those IP's. I suggest everyone find greedy dog and download it. It can come in handy. You could use it on your network to sniff for virii as they communicate across your network. All you need is a spare machine that can run 24/7. Doesn't need to be anything special either, just some old thing that can run winNT, 2000, XP. You can also use it for other things too

NOW THEN, does anyone know of a P2P proxy? I went looking and didn't find any. I also checked on peer guardian. It is nothing to keep you safe. The only thing it will do is block KNOWN IP's. You could do the same with your firewall. It only makes it easier because of the central database.

I'm certain you could use P2P across a socks proxy, but those are few and far between (at least last time I looked). Whereas an HTTP proxy is easy to find (and allows for all kinds of anon surfing or mischief)

[The village idiot]

There is a P2P network thats completly untracable! You have no IP address!

Try http://freenet.sourceforge.net/

It is free, allows to share files and even webpages.

Interesting idea. From what I read, it shares the blame with everyone. As everyone's computer becomes a node, or in this case we'll call it a proxy. And with bits of the files stored on many different nodes, it makes it difficult to tell where a particular file originated. I'm sure they will find a way to attack this sort of P2P too.

[ldbs]

Bullworth - Yeh i understand ur comments about " Narc " ( good movie just rented today ), though the understand of under cover cops is to protect people from dangerous good such as drugs , etc etc.
what is the RIAA protecting just the artist, no one else.
COPs protect people as a whole u know? not just the NOBLE refering to the music artist. at the end you
know who makes these people rich
no one get mad IT is " US " the General Public that is making them where they are now and in return what is happening?

Yeh exactly, everyone knows, a lotta of b.s. that we have supported in buying their products, maybe it's time the general public speak up or something.

[pakman]

the price to produce a CD is as listed: blank CD 10 cents, cover and case 50-70 cents, and they are saleing it for more than 15 bucks per cd, check that out, no wonder people are downloading music.

I'm sorry if this sounds like a flame but that is one of the most ignorant comments. That is like saying it only costs Microsoft $1 to develop an operating system.

The costs you have listed are variable costs. These increase per extra unit produced. What about the fixed costs? The money they have to pay for things like marketing, artists contracts, production costs and other over heads. That's also not accounting for things like failures. Look at Michael Jackson's latest album. They would have spent a fortune in the production of it and lost big. Therefore to recoup those costs they spread it over the prices of their other products.

LOL... and lets not exclude all the record label management fees, recording studio time, sale & marketing expenses, etc...

amen... pacmania you beat me to it. that was a WAY over-simplication of the true costs of putting out a music CD!

[quote="warlock110"]

as a student that doesn't have much income, alot of students now a day don't work...

Not to flame as well but... Come on, that's a weak argument. That's like me saying I'm justified in stealing a Ferrari 360 Spyder because I can't afford one based on my current savings/ income. And also, the part about students NOT working, but complaining about not having spending money for music CD's? geez... I hope their parents are just rolling their eyes... welcome to the real world...

The one thing the music recording industry will learn is that the fat profit margins of the past are gone...

[M1701c]

RIAA = money & greed

Money & Greed = Evil