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  1. Originally Posted by georgehegyi
    Originally Posted by ddlooping
    Hi itspolo

    I do not have the Animatrix DVD so I can't be sure, but my guess would be that some of the titles are actually shared by the movie and the extras.
    It's DVD Shrink's way of telling you that the amount of compression you use for one will also be used on the other.

    I would suggest you go to the unofficial-official DVD Shrink forums.
    There has been a few posts about Animatrix there, and you might find your answer amongst them.

    http://forum.digital-digest.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=48

    EDIT: you were faster than me to reply to your own post.
    Glad you found a solution to your problem.
    I have the impression that is not _bad_ with animation (or Animatrix). What I saw, the Animatrix DVD has 2 "programs", one that shows all shorts one after another (play all) and the other allows you to play only one short. My impression is that IC7 interprets this as two movies, and transcodes the files twice!
    That's maybe why it shows +50% of compression if you keep everything. Doesn't make any sense considering shorts + makings =2.5hrs (aprox)
    Yes IC7 show this, but when you change the % of the main title, every small one fallow. so I don't think it reencode them twice.

    btw I forgot to say, every rip I made of Animatrix was FULL DVD with extras
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  2. Originally Posted by red lion
    ddlooping thanks to some of your posts i now have a clearer picture to the differences between the various programms.
    think i may try dvdshrink a little more as up till now i thought that dvd2one was better by far.
    maybe we should not judge programms before we have tried them
    You're welcome, red lion, glad to be of help.

    I have just done another test, this time with "Armageddon, R2, PAL (Bruce Willis)".
    I wanted to see how DVD Shrink would fare with explosions/effects and at a higher level of compression, 35%.

    I also used DVD2One and CloneDVD as part fo the test.

    On action/explosions heavy scenes, macroblocking is now much more apparent.
    To see a difference between the 3 different backups I had to capture frames and zoom in to 400% in Photoshop.
    At that level of zooming, DVD2One and DVD Shrink might have a slight edge (almost identical, pixel for pixel), but in normal viewing conditions, even on the best TV/HDTV/Plasma screen in the universe, I don't think anyone could differentiate between the 3 of them.

    My conclusion would be the more you go over 30% compression with DVD Shrink, the less difference in quality you will find with DVD2One, and even CloneDVD.
    Above a certain level you might even find that its quality is not as good as the others (test coming soon).
    But then again, the degradation would be so important that I would normally use DVD2DVD-R/CCE.

    Keep in mind that due to the nature of compression-levels selection in DVD Shrink, about 3% of the available space was unfortunately lost.

    My next test will be to crop some of the film companies animations at the start and the end credits.
    This will enable me to compress the movie to a lesser 30%.
    I will then be able to confirm, or not, the results from my test with "The Majestic", which was that DVD Shrink is better than DVD2One and CloneDVD for compressions equal to or lower than 30%.

    I'll keep you posted.

    P.S: the same level of compression might have yelded different results with a less demanding movie.
    ddlooping
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  3. Originally Posted by vric
    Originally Posted by georgehegyi
    Originally Posted by ddlooping
    Hi itspolo

    I do not have the Animatrix DVD so I can't be sure, but my guess would be that some of the titles are actually shared by the movie and the extras.
    It's DVD Shrink's way of telling you that the amount of compression you use for one will also be used on the other.

    I would suggest you go to the unofficial-official DVD Shrink forums.
    There has been a few posts about Animatrix there, and you might find your answer amongst them.

    http://forum.digital-digest.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=48

    EDIT: you were faster than me to reply to your own post.
    Glad you found a solution to your problem.
    I have the impression that is not _bad_ with animation (or Animatrix). What I saw, the Animatrix DVD has 2 "programs", one that shows all shorts one after another (play all) and the other allows you to play only one short. My impression is that IC7 interprets this as two movies, and transcodes the files twice!
    That's maybe why it shows +50% of compression if you keep everything. Doesn't make any sense considering shorts + makings =2.5hrs (aprox)
    Yes IC7 show this, but when you change the % of the main title, every small one fallow. so I don't think it reencode them twice.

    btw I forgot to say, every rip I made of Animatrix was FULL DVD with extras
    Maybe you're right but I tried once to backup Disney's Tarzan 2 (very bad movie, created backup for the kid), and found that it has 3 "programs", one for english, spanish and portugese. I removed all the extras and IC7 informed me that the compression would be around 45%, hence my theory on IC7 don't identifying the program refers to the same vob or something. DVD2One gave me an excelent "movie only" backup.
    Waste of time anyway, the movie isn't worth a backup.
    George
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  4. ok thats not the same thing.. they use multiangle to make language specific picture. Toy story is like this too.. it take some space, but not 3 time the movie..
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    is it me?

    or it seem the since dvdshrink 2.3 came out

    and mrbass made the statement "i'll probably never use ic7 again."

    it seems like everybody abandoned pinnacle's instantcopy7 forum

    do this mean that everybody is done with ic7?
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    Video quality is too subjective to get into,the screen you view on,the DVD player all impact what you and only you percieve.
    It's as good as other compressors,but the feature I like best about CloneDVD is it's burning module,simple and it works everytime.
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  7. how does this program compare to Instant Copy? 'cus Instant Copy is pissin' my ass off lately. i'm looking for a new program that'll do the cookin' if you catch my drift. i don't really know what that means but i think i know what you think i know what i mean when i said what i thought you knew but i didn't know what i knew you knew when i thought you knew i what know you knew now.
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  8. after reading all this ,i really think it comes down to how easy the programs are to use and features, at 25-30 frames the small differences arent going to be seen unless HD screens, i use ic7 because i thought it as better(not) it does just as good as clonedvd but clone is so much easier and certain movies just didnt work properly on ic7 where clone was foolproof works everytime, quality depends on the input dvd also.
    realistically would you really be bothered running a backup on a HD tv or plasma, if i had a screen like that id want the best input possible, i wouldnt bother with backups. why would you go out and buy a ferrari then put cheap tyres on it ??
    Im going to try dvd2dvdr soon but for now clonedvd is my choice, ive got a 68cm sony flat screen and at 85-90% compression cant see the difference, i only rip the movies , dont worry about the extras, i use dvd decrypter rip file mode all
    well thats my 2c worth, as long as your happy
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