Clone DVD Released!

[VOODOO_child]

Wow !!! The UI is excellent, very user-friendly. You can tell these guys have put of lot of thougts into this prog.

[ROBERT BLACK]

Perhaps DVDXCOPY should be added to the above test? It would be interesting to compare the most expensive DVD backup software with something like DVDshrink. I think the results just might prove to be decidedly underwhelming. Like IC7.

[VOODOO_child]

Perhaps DVDXCOPY should be added to the above test? It would be interesting to compare the most expensive DVD backup software with something like DVDshrink. I think the results just might prove to be decidedly underwhelming. Like IC7.

dvdxcopy IS a different animal, it doesn't transcode it just clones therefore you can't compare dvdxcopy with these

I didn't see DVD95copy included in the benchmark

The animated cow is funny

[tinkerbellsmyhoe]

man, they just keep getting better and better.
now that dvdshrink is back in action and dvd2one is coming up with new algorithms. now it is getting to the point that choosing your tool means closing your eyes and double clicking. whatever program you open will be fine. (except ic7 for toons, we ALL saw the difference there.)

[ddlooping]

Hi vance43211

ddlooping
...
u seem to got to expert status pretty quick

I wish I was.
There's no "expertise" in testing simple "one-click" DVD backup softwares.

from your facts (not opinons, like some of these people on this site who can't see straight)

There are only MY facts, based on my limited experience with the softwares and the equipment used to test them.
People who can not differentiate between number 0 (black on my grey-scale) and number 3 or 4 will probably disagree with me (even thought it's only a test in contrast).
It is still really puzzling to see CloneDVD or DVD2One results said to be better than DVD Shrink though.
The difference in quality is SO obvious to me that it should show on even average viewing equipment

it looks like dvd shrink will probaly move up to the top of my list

That's a decision only you came make, after having testing it.
But I'd be surprised if it didn't.

[nitram]

Just backed up a film. Full disk copy retaining only 5.1 audio in main movie. Used both Clone DVD and DVD2one V1.2. Both did an extremely good job. Overall I would say DVD2one was slightly better on quality but Clone DVD was faster. The quality issue is only my opinion and really they both did good jobs at backing up. However, I dont see any reason to purchase Clone DVD since I have used DVD2one since it was released and no other product, IMO, does a significantly better job to justify changing.

My opinion only.

[ddlooping]

Traffic, movie-only, R1, NTSC:
(for those of you who haven't seen it, it IS a grainy movie)

DVD2One > DVD Shrink >

DVD2One > DVD Shrink >

DVD2One smoothing is so pronounced that all the grain from the original has disappeared.
There is so much "blocking" that it looks like Catherine Zeta-Jones is wearing a mask.

"The Majestic", movie-only, R2, PAL:

CloneDVD > DVD Shrink >

CloneDVD > DVD Shrink >

CloneDVD doesn't fare any better than DVD2One.
The "blocking" is so pronounced that the reading-glasses frames and the left eye have but almost disappeared.
The last images show smoothing at its worst. She now looks like a ghost with hair.

All these images (except the 2nd row) are cropped frame-captures, zoomed-in at x2.
The second row are cropped frame-captures, with no zoom-in.

Something I'd like to add:
I'm not an expert in DVD backups, by as far as I know, NO "one-click" backup software sharpens a movie.
They all work by compressing the data, thus introducing a loss of quality (perceivable or not).
They ALL, to a certain extent, smooth the movie, which can be perceived as "macroblocks".

Please tell me you can see the obvious smoothing effect and macroblocks in the DVD2One and CloneDVD images!!

[nitram]

Comparisons are made of different software in various ways, when I compare the output I play the backup on my standalone DVD player and watch the film. I dont zoom in, dont play each frame at a time but just watch the film.

I am definately not an expert and my way of comparing may not be technically correct, but films are made to be watched, aren't they?

Anyone agree? I am sure many will disagree but thats what this place is for.

Cheers

[ddlooping]

I totally agree with you, nitram. That's what movies are for.

Comparing frames to evaluate the quality of backups made by different softwares is far from being technically correct.
All I can add is, as I said in previous posts, the difference in quality during normal viewing was not as pronounced but very much still noticeable.

But what ultimately matter is for you to enjoy your movie.
So if DVD2One gives you a better experience than other softwares, then I don't see why you should have to use another one.

[nitram]

I totally agree with you, nitram. That's what movies are for.

Comparing frames to evaluate the quality of backups made by different softwares is far from being technically correct.
All I can add is, as I said in previous posts, the diference in quality during normal viewing was not as pronounced but very much still noticeable.

But what ultimately matter is for you to enjoy your movie.
So if DVD2One gives you a better experience than other softwares, then I don't see why you should have to use another one.

Cheers ddlooping. Keep up the good posts mate.

[ddlooping]

Cheers ddlooping. Keep up the good posts mate.

You're welcome, and I'll do my best.

[vric]

it sure we are comparing 1 frame on pause.. in my test, you won't see any difference while you watching the film beside the IC7 copy that was horrible. but DVD2one CloneDVD or DVDShrink all look the same at 30fps on a normal TV (won't talk about plasma)

As for the comparasion on 2x zooming, you won't look a movie in 2X. and even when you zoom, your DVDplayer have some technic that will sharper the image.

For CloneDVD, I will buy it. Simply becose you can remove extra you don't want really easy and they take less space than DVDShrink still image.. if Shrink could do the same (replacing the movie by a gray screen) it would be nice, but as for now, CloneDVD is the only software to do this.

[ddlooping]

...but DVD2one CloneDVD or DVDShrink all look the same at 30fps on a normal TV (won't talk about plasma).

What if one day the prices of Plasma or HDTVs get low enough for you to decide and get one? :P

...even when you zoom, your DVDplayer have some technic that will sharper the image.

Just in case this was directed to me, I do not use any of the available enhancements in WinDVD Platinum when I do frame-captures.
I don't need to zoom in to see the difference in quality either, but I thought it might be neccessary for peeps who have a monitor that would hide this difference at normal viewing size.

But as I said to nitram, what ultimately matters is for you to enjoy your movies.

[vance43211]

nitram

u have a good point

but i used to get so mad when a lot of people on this site used to bash instant copy even though it had better quality (it obviously look like it can't do cartoons though)

talking about that dvd 2 one was better

when it was just faster

and u didn't have to zoom in to notice the inferior quality with dvd2one

when i burnt my first 3 dvds with it (i retired dvd2one after that)
it look like i burnt the movie with a poor man"s neodvd, which for tv shows and vhs that might not be that bad, but for dvd it was unacceptable

an i dunno maybe on a regular tv dvd2one may look great
but i have a 21in and 19in computer moniter (they show more detail than a regular tv) and a 46in hitachi, a 52in jvc (it has a split screen function, so i can do a direct a/b comparison with differnt encoded dvds and the original, though i never had to with dvd2one, as its downgraded quality was obvious)

[nitram]

vance43211

Thx for the comments,

If I had your TV's and other viewing equipment then maybe DVD2One would be no good for producing backups, I have to take your opinion on that.

However, if I do change my TV from a 32" JVC to something better (Bigger?) and I find that the backups already made are not upto standard then I will just backup the DVDs again using something better (different).

But for now DVd2one, IMO, works perfectly for me.

[red lion]

Can clonedvd work by just selecting movie only files in dvd decryptor instead of all the files

[ddlooping]

red lion, as far as I know, none of the "one-click" backup softwares will work on a movie-only rip by DVD Decrypter.
But I might be wrong.

[NYPlayer]

Dvd2one works when you rip only the main movie...might be the only one.

[Swin]

This might be a mute point and off topic, but hell I’ll give it a whirl.

I'm looking to get a DVD burner to start making backups of the DVD’s I have and so started looking at this forum. As had been mentioned, movies are, at the end of the day, meant for viewing so instead of just putting frame captures up is there any way of putting several small DVD disk images up for download that can show these points in a little more clarity. I know these things are gonna be large, but those of us with a decent connection, we can download huge chunks with little worry. I'm not sure though if you can even create DVD images in the same way that you could create CD images (Cue/Bin or ISO etc). (OF course your gonna need a DVD burner – but it’s on the way)

It would be good to see the comparisons of identical films in their ORIGINAL format (something that has also been missed of the frame captures), then compressed with the aforementioned programs in various ways (movie only/full disk compression etc).

Of course this would need someone with one set of equipment, all the necessary software packages and a silly amount of time to get a good comparison - but it sure may help in these decisions.

Swin

[ddlooping]

Hi Swin

Remember that a compressed movie is most of the time gonna be about 4.3Gb. So I guess if one had gigabytes worth of webspace to upload to, a faster-than-light connection, and hours of spare time, that would be possible.

As a more realistic solution, I'd suggest you download all the softwares you might be interested in, get the trial versions for the commercial ones, and then do your own testing.
You can even do it before you receive your burner.

[red lion]

ok now got it working the quality is not to bad in my opinion but is it good enough to make people buy the product when there is a free one that is also good quality
but i must admit i prefer dvd2one to them all

[ddlooping]

Good news, Swin!!!!

I don't have enough webspace to upload a few DVDs worth of files, and I'm also on a modem connection.
However, I gave more thoughts to what you suggested and came up with some kind of a compromise.

I ran both my DVD2One and DVD Shrink backups of "The Majestic, R2, PAL" in DVD Shrink 2.3.
As mentionned previously, both these copies were made in the exact same conditions:
Movie-only; AC3 English only; English, Italian, Spanish, French subtitles; no start/end cropping.
Using DVD Shrink's "Start/End" feature in the Re-Author mode, I cropped the same 17 second clip from both backups.
It took about 5 second to re-author, as no compression whatsoever was applied.
The resulting folders are exact copies of these backups and can be viewed with WinDVD, PowerDVD, etc etc, as they are fully DVD compliant.
You can even burn them to CD to view them on your TV.

I'm in the process of uploading them, and it's gonna take about one hour for each, about 9Mb (more for the original , 12Mb).

I tried to apply the same procedure with the backup I had made with CloneDVD, but I couldn't re-author it in DVD Shrink.
I guess it was not fully compliant; I noticed that the audio and subtitle streams I had chosen to remove when I did the backup were still there, even though at 0Mb size.

I'll let you know when the zip files are available to download.

[shelter]

I think it's really hard to judge picture quality, I've messed around some with Mulholland drive...
I decided to keep the menu's because of the 10 clues from David Lynch.

Anyway... I think InstantCopy 7 and DVDShrink 2.3 did the best job on that movie.
CloneDVD and DVD2One didn't quite make it...

The movie is 2h20m long so keep that in mind also.
But as I said, it's hard to decide which of the programs that did that movie best.

[ddlooping]

The 17 second clips are now available and can be downloaded.

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=558590#558590

[Swin]

ddlooping.

You managed to answer and deliver on my question before I even had a chance to review the thread. Obviously a FULL movie would be out of the question - but indeed short clips were what I was aiming at. As a complete novice at anything DVD related (burning and authoring) I did not know if you could somehow extract just a clip from a movie without encoding it or otherwise altering it in some way.

Many thanks; I will give this a whirl.

Now I know you've already spent precious time doing this but.... It would be good (assuming that clips can be chosen at will) to select something that may really show up difference - such as fast action or maybe an explosion at night?

Just a thought!

Swin

[ddlooping]

Hi Swin

I might do an "action/effect" type test at a later date.
I did this one first because I happen to have most of these different backups already done.

[shelter]

Apparently there's another program that goes under the same name as Elbys CloneDVD...

Go to http://www.clonedvd.net and see for yourself.

Might be an alternative to DVDXCopy?

[vric]

Apparently there's another program that goes under the same name as Elbys CloneDVD...

Go to http://www.clonedvd.net and see for yourself.

Might be an alternative to DVDXCopy?

this software is pure crap.. only copy DVD5 so it's just a version of DVDDecrypter that you need to pay

[georgehegyi]

Hi itspolo

I do not have the Animatrix DVD so I can't be sure, but my guess would be that some of the titles are actually shared by the movie and the extras.
It's DVD Shrink's way of telling you that the amount of compression you use for one will also be used on the other.

I would suggest you go to the unofficial-official DVD Shrink forums.
There has been a few posts about Animatrix there, and you might find your answer amongst them.

http://forum.digital-digest.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=48

EDIT: you were faster than me to reply to your own post.
Glad you found a solution to your problem.

I have the impression that is not _bad_ with animation (or Animatrix). What I saw, the Animatrix DVD has 2 "programs", one that shows all shorts one after another (play all) and the other allows you to play only one short. My impression is that IC7 interprets this as two movies, and transcodes the files twice!
That's maybe why it shows +50% of compression if you keep everything. Doesn't make any sense considering shorts + makings =2.5hrs (aprox)

[red lion]

ddlooping thanks to some of your posts i now have a clearer picture to the differences between the various programms.
think i may try dvdshrink a little more as up till now i thought that dvd2one was better by far.
maybe we should not judge programms before we have tried them