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  1. "The plus formatted media is in April was slightly less expensive that the dash variety."

    haha, thats funny. Where are they shopping?
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  2. I know what you mean! I've not yet seen + blanks for less than £2, well not for 4x anyway. If I buy - blanks at 80p each, that means for each DVD+R I could buy 2 1/2 DVD-R. Really cant see the point myself.
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    Its incredible like some piece of crypto-advertisement with false data can spiral long-thread discussion

    If DVD+R/RW were selling so hot, and every manufacturer is switching to +R drives - why do most of online stores always have more -R writers, and usually their top selling models are cheap -R drives as well?
    Search in google for "DVD burner sale", click on first 10-20 links found, see for yourself.

    And here is dvd burners sale stats for May from few Canadian online stores where I could obtain this data:

    Bytewize Computers:
    1. LG GMA-4020B (-R)
    2. Pioneer A05 (-R)
    3. Toshiba SD-R5002 (-R)
    4. Sony DRU-500AX (+R)

    Canada Computers:
    1. Pioneer A05 (-R)
    2. LG GMA-4020B (-R)
    3. LiteOn LDW400D (-/+R)

    FutureShop:
    1. Pioneer A05 (-R)
    2. Pine Pioneer external (-R)
    3. HP DVD300i (+R)

    Also lets not forget about popularity of standalone dvd recorders, which according to many market specialists will surpass sale of dvd burners by the end of this year (in USA). And what format 99% of them use? Of course: -R (or -RAM)

    So where they get this info about 60% of newly sold drives to be +R drives??
    With the prices of -R blanks already going for much less than 1/3 of +R medias - if them +R drives ever reach 30% of the market within next few months I'd call it commercial success

    Anyone still believe -R is a dying breed?
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  4. dunno, i treat it with some skeptism
    i myself still use alot of -R media since there's more of it and its cheaper as a result.
    But i think this report i look at it more as a forecast thing. I think what they might be doing is pulling a microsoft to get the market, bundle it with every new pc or something along those lines. Maybe DVD+RW is cheaper per drive (for OEM), maybe royalties are cheaper etc.
    So maybe if they are bundling new pc's with DVD+RW burners to the unsuspecting (dont know a dvd from a pancake as txphoroah so nicely put it) buyers, using that to saturate the market with the +R/RW format.

    But no, i dont think +R/RW has won, not by a longshot, at least not yet.

    Just my observation....
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  5. Originally Posted by DereX888

    Also lets not forget about popularity of standalone dvd recorders, which according to many market specialists will surpass sale of dvd burners by the end of this year (in USA). And what format 99% of them use? Of course: -R (or -RAM)

    So where they get this info about 60% of newly sold drives to be +R drives??
    With the prices of -R blanks already going for much less than 1/3 of +R medias - if them +R drives ever reach 30% of the market within next few months I'd call it commercial success

    Anyone still believe -R is a dying breed?
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    I suspect that the vast majority of +RW drives are being fitted to new PC's. Dell and HP/Compaq have 35% of the US market.Pioneer have lost all their PC customers except for some Apples.
    I agree that that most online sellers have more -RW drives but this is not where the big numbers are.

    As of next month all Pioneer A06 will be dual drives so the minscule 3.8% -RW market share almost disapears altogether!!

    The prices of -R blanks is hardly 1/3!
    The cheap DVD-R media around is made by Princo ( who do not make +RW/R media) and the cheapest stuff is 1x.The slowest +R speed is 2.4x.

    Best Buy at
    http://www.bestbuy.com/TelephonesHomeOffice/DrivesBlankMedia/DVDMedia.asp?m=887&cat=2843&scat=2845

    have TDK 4x DVD+R at $1.89 if you buy 100 while the DVD-R at the same price is only 2x.

    DVD+R has taken 43% of the US media market (in April 2003)and it was only launched in April 2002!!!(before this +RW drives only used +RWmedia)I'd call that a huge commercial success!

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  6. Originally Posted by hde
    mkelley, obviously I wasn't talking about the build in OS support. They must support both formats to prevent lawsuits.

    But since Microsoft joined the ally (http://www.dvdrw.com/microsoft.html), its in their best interest to sell more + writers and media.
    Microsoft now suppot both format.... it's an old news a myth now

    Also, if I take last Ritek market share on media, they are selling over 80% of DVD-R media... so, this article is bullshit OR, the 3.8% pf the -R user burn A LOT !!
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  7. This was talked about in another thread, as well as previous threads and DVD-R is by far the leader in the market.

    First of all, that report doesn't seem to cover *world* sales. Only those in the US (Which not supprisingly is the only market in which DVD+R really is surviving). Also, something to mention is that DVD+R makers started adding dual writing functionality before DVD-R did, indicating the worldwide trend towards DVD-R. This is also supported by Microsofts change in accepting DVD-R within their operating system.

    I've spoken with a few people who work in stores and by far most indicate that they sell out of DVD-R supplies *Very* quicky, while most DVD+R items sit on the shelf for days and days. In terms of storing data CDs, I don't know which is more popular, but in regard for video, DVD-R is by far leading the way. In fact, even organized crime (When not using manufacturing grade equipment) use DVD-Rs to make Pirate DVDs.
    Again, the only place which really sells DVD+R disks in force really is the USA. For the rest of the world, everyone uses DVD-R.

    Almost like NTSC (USA), PAL (The world).
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  8. By the way, if you check the drive/format poll on the sticky in this forum, you can clearly see how much DVD-R is trully in the lead. Thats from all the expert users here who do frequent encoding (Who's opinion are probably most informed). The only one that comes closes is the "hybrid" models which were just now released that can do both formats. In terms of single format drives, as you can see, not many people at all have confidence in DVD+R. But at the same time, Pioneers are still selling like hotcakes.
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  9. isn't this format war kind of irrelevant? A new better format will be out by the time there's a clear winner. By then no one will care about either dvd-r or dvd+r.
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  10. isn't this format war kind of irrelevant? A new better format will be out by the time there's a clear winner. By then no one will care about either dvd-r or dvd+r.
    People are still curious to see which one wins.

    DVD+R has taken 43% of the US media market (in April 2003)and it was only launched in April 2002!!!(before this +RW drives only used +RWmedia)I'd call that a huge commercial success!
    You really should understand how that survey was done and what they meant by taken 43%. Most average Joes that buy a new computer with a dvd burner will tend to get a +R. The reason is because Dell and HP are the two biggest suppliers of home computers to the US market. They sell the most every year. Maybe that is how they got 43%. If you talk in terms of media sales, I guarentee you that that number wouldn't reach 43%. I doubt that it will reach 20%.
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    And when VHS first came out Betamax was selling more blank media because the initial market had more ppl with betamax than vhs. The initial market. The first adopters.

    Sound familiar?
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  12. First of all, I have DRU500 so it don't really matter to me if either win.

    That said, let me make some clarifications. The figures reported in the article are what is being shipped RIGHT NOW and not the current market share. You have to take into account that minus came out ahead of the plus by around 2yrs. Therefore, obviously minus for now has a larger market share than plus. I say for now because don't forget the fact that DVD burner market is still quite young and its just starting to take off so there is HUGE room for growth.

    Now, if the figures in the article are accurate, and if in fact the minus shipped in April accounted for only 3.8%, anyone with a common sense can tell you that minus is in serious trouble to say the least. Given this trend continues(I don't see any reason why it won't), give it couple years maybe less for the market to mature and the end result should be quite clear. I think its inevitable that market will only sustain one format and its just a matter of time before one becomes the dominant standard. Don't get me wrong, this is not the death of minus. We still have new cars that come with cassette players.
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  13. My 2 cents.
    Both formats will stay. Why? Because there are too many consumer standalone DVD-R (Panasonic DMR-E20/30/50/HS?) and DVD+R (Philips dvdr-985, etc.)
    Not to mention that DVD-RAM will stay too, as many new Panasonic DVD players also support playback of DVD-RAM. So this is not going to be another case of Beta vs. VHS, where VHS won, even though it is an inferior format.
    DVD-R DVD+R and DVD-RAM are here to stay, as the market is well balanced in sales, and there are too many products on the street right now..

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  14. Originally Posted by kwag
    My 2 cents.
    Both formats will stay. Why? Because there are too many consumer standalone DVD-R (Panasonic DMR-E20/30/50/HS?) and DVD+R (Philips dvdr-985, etc.)
    Not to mention that DVD-RAM will stay too, as many new Panasonic DVD players also support playback of DVD-RAM. So this is not going to be another case of Beta vs. VHS, where VHS won, even though it is an inferior format.
    DVD-R DVD+R and DVD-RAM are here to stay, as the market is well balanced in sales, and there are too many products on the street right now..

    -kwag
    Beta went away even though many consumers already bought beta players. The fact that equipment is already out in public does not matter much. Obviously there will be room for a niche market for the losing format but thats about it.
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    The Real problem is this: One and only One BlueRay format. Let's not go through all of this a 3rd time for the sake of some royalty dollars. I'm willing to wager the first Mass Marketed (not the first to market , proof of concept, overpriced Units) BlueRay players with play CDR/CDRW/DVD+-R/DVD+-RW/BR(BlueRay)RW out of the box in all current formats. People are more willing to upgrade if the legacy media will play.
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  16. And here's me just having bought a Pioneer 105 drive today!!

    I actually hope that all 3 current formats die on their arse as a lot more storage space (15 - 20 gigs) is really needed for home use - rather than just copying movies. Roll on Blue Laser!
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  17. Originally Posted by sidewinder33625
    Beta went away even though many consumers already bought beta players.
    If that were the case, then DVD+R(W) would be screwed , because there are more (far more) Panasonic DVD-R(W)consumer DVD writers on the market than DVD+R(W). Haven't you watched TV lately Have you been to Sears Brand Central lately
    In reality, Philips is doing damn good on their DVD+R(W)sales, so is Panasonic. So I see the writing on the wall, and that is that both formats will be on the market for a long time, until superceded by Blue Disk technology.

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    I just see all this as a ATTEMPT from the LARGE COMPANIES
    to CRAM the PLUS FORMAT down our throats.

    ITS NOT SELLING so they spin this one up!

    FROM MY EXPERIENCE..any of my friends want a burner, they will and have bought -R or at the least a dual format..

    No one I know will touch a PLUS ONLY DRIVE
    remember the first of these units?
    WHAT a JOKE $500 and not updateble (CLASS ACTION SUIT against HP, PHILLIPS, etc going thru now if you bought one of these turkeys!)

    THEY COULDN"T EVEN write to +R media they only did +RW for a YEAR!

    The only way someone I know would get a shitty PLUS ONLY burner is buying a NEW MACHINE with parts inside they didn't ask for
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  19. All of this leads me to praise my Mintek-1600. Plays both - and +. I win either way!
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    but remember people are stupid they dont know shit about what - or + is they just get the one thats on the shelf in best buy. I seriously think - is better, because + burners were created for the purpose of backing up computer data not for dvd authoring, but can also be used for that but thats why there less compatible with DVD Players. and - is used for authoring DVDs and has a very high compatability.
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  21. Originally Posted by kwag
    Originally Posted by sidewinder33625
    Beta went away even though many consumers already bought beta players.
    If that were the case, then DVD+R(W) would be screwed , because there are more (far more) Panasonic DVD-R(W)consumer DVD writers on the market than DVD+R(W). Haven't you watched TV lately Have you been to Sears Brand Central lately
    In reality, Philips is doing damn good on their DVD+R(W)sales, so is Panasonic. So I see the writing on the wall, and that is that both formats will be on the market for a long time, until superceded by Blue Disk technology.

    -kwag
    Obviuosly you're taking that out of context. That statement was made in reference to beta players pointing out the fact that beta still went away despite people had bought beta players. Market share for standalone DVD-R/RAM on the other hand is currently insignificant compared to PC market therefore the companies could discontinue the format without thinking twice. Anyone remember Divx(the DVD not the codec)?

    Some people keep saying blue this blue that...As far as I know, blue is still very much vaporware. If and when it comes out its guaranteed to be and uphill battle, if it even survives. By then DVDR burners would have already established strong foothold. Not to mention DVD players would have made its way into even more homes. This is significant because DVDR plays in DVD playeres while Blue ray will not. I don't see everyone replacing their DVD players to Blue ray players until maybe blue ray players get cheap like current DVD players. Which brings us to the catch-22 situation. Blue ray needs to take off to get cheaper but it won't get cheap until it takes off.
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    [quote="sidewinder33625

    Some people keep saying blue this blue that...As far as I know, blue is still very much vaporware. If and when it comes out its guaranteed to be and uphill battle, if it even survives. By then DVDR burners would have already established strong foothold. Not to mention DVD players would have made its way into even more homes. This is significant because DVDR plays in DVD playeres while Blue ray will not. I don't see everyone replacing their DVD players to Blue ray players until maybe blue ray players get cheap like current DVD players. Which brings us to the catch-22 situation. Blue ray needs to take off to get cheaper but it won't get cheap until it takes off. [/quote]


    I agree with you. Blue ray is still soooo far away from being widely accecpted and "the standard", that no one should even consider it YET. And how do we all know that it will be accecpted by the general public? I remember when Sony's minidisc format came out. It was supposed to be the "next generation" to the CD, but look what happened.
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  23. Originally Posted by dcsos
    I just see all this as a ATTEMPT from the LARGE COMPANIES
    to CRAM the PLUS FORMAT down our throats.

    ITS NOT SELLING so they spin this one up!

    FROM MY EXPERIENCE..any of my friends want a burner, they will and have bought -R or at the least a dual format..

    No one I know will touch a PLUS ONLY DRIVE
    remember the first of these units?
    WHAT a JOKE $500 and not updateble (CLASS ACTION SUIT against HP, PHILLIPS, etc going thru now if you bought one of these turkeys!)

    THEY COULDN"T EVEN write to +R media they only did +RW for a YEAR!

    The only way someone I know would get a shitty PLUS ONLY burner is buying a NEW MACHINE with parts inside they didn't ask for
    I guess you don't know anyone... Everyone I know is getting +R/RW or the duals and all are using + media.

    Who cares what format wins anyway? My burner will be worn out long before either format goes away and I'll be onto the next wave, blue light or whatever.
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    I wish people would stop using the Beta vs. VHS war outcome as their argument. Most of the people here weren't adults then, so they're getting these ideas secondhand. If you want to think about DVD + vs. -- in light of Beta vs. VHS, remember this (from someone who lived through that war):

    The 3 main reasons people bought VCR's and tapes then (and now) have been...
    1. Play (and copy) pre-recorded movies from the rental stores.
    2. Record home movies with their camcorders
    3. Time-shift their TV watching by taping their fave shows.

    #1 became dominantly VHS very early on, mainly because VHS had at least 2 Hours available to it (SP mode) on 1 tape, while Beta didn't--either had to resort to 2 tapes or record in worse/longer mode. Also VHS was 1st to market with Stereo tracks (even though those 1st ones weren't HiFi). Moral of the story here=no comparison, DVD gotten from the rental stores isn't + or -, it's stamped ROM! Any player or burner will work with this.

    #2 became dominant because VHS camcorders earlier could record at longer speed than SP, and because VHS camcorders were almost always cheaper than Beta ones, also the longer tape length card came into play. Moral=don't know, cuz the market for DVDdisc Camcorders is REALLY still in its infancy. Most camcorders these days are still miniDV.

    #3 was always VHS dominant, cuz sony hampered TV recording capability compared to VHS, and because EP VHS is 6+ hours as opposed to Beta's 4.3 hours. Then, later you wanted your tapes to be compatible with your friends. Moral=not yet sure here either. This could be a case for VCD or BluRay as well as anything else.

    Let's all be more careful about comparisons, and remember that numbers can easily be manipulated to suit one's agenda.

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    I guess you don't know anyone... Everyone I know is getting +R/RW or the duals and all are using + media.
    WELL that was a rude way to put it , but I'll put it just as rudely- guess I don't know the STUPID CONSUMERS

    ALL I SAID was
    IF YOU LOOK AT SCENERIST,or CREATOR or SPRUCE MAESTRO
    the MAJOR PRO PROGRAMS
    they will not write to PLUS R only DRIVES

    so, if you're a pro your choices are still limited ..I.E.- you can't use one of those PLUS ONLY JOBBIES(less you create, then use a third party application)

    So most of my friends would look to the PROS and make the same choice they do,, A DUAL FORMAT or at least a MINUS DRIVE..cause the plus won't do....

    after all, If your on a MAC, you gotta go thru mods to EVEN read or WRITE to the PLUS SIDE of a DUAL FORMAT
    APPLE (inventors of home dvd burning-not that they got it right-but they WERE FIRST!) doesn't even support PLUS

    The NEW g4 has a DISABLED SONY dual format drive inside
    Apple said who needs the PLUS? and disabled it!! GO FIGGURE!
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  26. Ya, I know loads of people who got dual drives just for the sake of it. They outright told me they never intend to use DVD+R. They just got the dual feature in case for some reason an astroid comes and wipes out all DVD-Rs from the face of the earth.

    I also know people who bought dell computers and such, and the first thing they did was rip out the DVD+R, sold it to some sucker on ebay, and got a good DVD-R drive.
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  27. With all this talk (again!) of the competing DVD formats, has anyone mentioned that there are also TWO ‘blue’ larger disk formats?

    There is the “Blu-Ray” 27 gig disks

    And the “Blue Laser” slightly smaller capacity disks.

    Both are produced by separate companies and are completely incompatible! One plays DVD-ROM and the other doesn't, I forget which is which.

    In a few years time it is likely that this argument will be going again but with “Blu-Ray” and “Blue Laser" Disks!
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  28. IF YOU LOOK AT SCENERIST,or CREATOR or SPRUCE MAESTRO
    the MAJOR PRO PROGRAMS
    they will not write to PLUS R only DRIVES
    Big deal. I don't use any of those and I dont need my authoring app to be able to burn, that's what my burning app is for. I use Spruce UP with recordnow Max with no problems. Besides, I thought "Pros" used DAT tape's. Also +R/RW is compatible with more set top players than -R/RW.

    after all, If your on a MAC, you gotta go thru mods to EVEN read or WRITE to the PLUS SIDE of a DUAL FORMAT
    That's nonsense. I put my DVD+R/RW drive into a firewire case and have no problem burning DVD's with my iBook. No problems at all....
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  29. Originally Posted by KDH
    Problem with that argument is that PCWorld/Dixons(UK) do NOT stock -RW burners at all -just NEC,Mirror and Freecom +RW burners at present.They have never stocked Pioneer drives.
    If the largest high street electrical retailer in Europe, The Dixon's Group, doesn't sell -R burners then that has to be bad news for the -R camp. Who does sell them in Europe then? I can honestly say I have NEVER seen a -R burner in a high street store.


    What with new computers coming with +R burners already installed, it surely won't be long before the end of -R.

    As for ripping out the DVD+R burner and getting a -R one;

    Firstly, Why?

    Secondly, The VAST majority of people aren't going to bother with that they'll just use whatever it came with and not care.
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  30. Originally Posted by Trenton_Net
    Ya, I know loads of people who got dual drives just for the sake of it. They outright told me they never intend to use DVD+R. They just got the dual feature in case for some reason an astroid comes and wipes out all DVD-Rs from the face of the earth.

    I also know people who bought dell computers and such, and the first thing they did was rip out the DVD+R, sold it to some sucker on ebay, and got a good DVD-R drive.
    You know a lot of weird people. :P
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