Lines are jagged in horizontal pan!?

[Hoagie]

I am ripping video using SmartRipper and encoding DVD video in TPMGEnc. I use IVTC to de-interlace the video and select "3:2 pulldown when playback" from the encoding options.

When I play the video, with a horizontal pan, straight lines become jagged as if there is some interlacing going on. I know it isn't "real" interlacing because the rest of the video (around the lines) looks fine. I've tried to fix the problem by not using IVTC but the "Deinterlace" option instead... I'm not sure which is worse, but I'm going to say Deinterlace is.

Does anyone have any hints on how I can remove these jagged lines?

Hoag

P.S. The video I am encoding is a DVD2AVI project of an Anime episode. The results are being subtitled and burnt to a DVD-R.

[kriskim]

i've ripped many an anime episode before, and lemme tell you know, it just sucks. period. something i'm wondering, if you're burning onto a dvd-r, i imagine your standalone can play burnt dvds, why don't you just do a dvd->dvd copy? you won't have to downgrade the quality at all...

anyways, the thing about anime. it's never "really" interlaced, by "Really", i mean like, it's never interlaced straightforwardly. i dunno what those anime people are thinking, but i remember when i was ripping evangelion dvds, the pattern changed way too much. as well, for every like 10 frames, there was only one really "pure" progressive frame. all other frames, a piece of it would be interlaced, then another piece, it's ridiculous.

de-interlacing is usually not good, 'cuz it really fuzzes up everything. you'll never be able to get rid of all interlace lines in these crazy ass animes, 'cuz there are just too many interlaced lines. if you're going to watch it on tv on a standalone anyways, these few lines will be no problem, as tvs are interlaced. the only real point of ivtc when watching on tv is so you can save bitrate and it's easier to encode.

[nfl2k2]

using the 3:2 pulldown made that happen to my movies. see if taking it off helps

[Hoagie]

Thanks for the suggestions guys, but I've discovered that it is my player that is doing it!

I burned the "raw" (untouched) MPEG2 and the same file re-encoded with TMPGEnc to a DVD-R and played them on my standalone DVD player. They looked exactly the same!

... guess I should have tried that first.

Hoag

[kinneera]

Are the lines in question diagonals, not perfectly vertical or horizontal? What you are describing sounds a lot like what sharp edges look like if they aren't antialiased. You can see this on computers a lot of times, and it is generally particularly noticeable in any digitized animation.

[Hoagie]

The lines are at least horizontal (nothing vertical), they might be a little be a slight diagonal slant to them.

It is animation and it isn't interlaced -- I am using a 3:2 pulldown on it instead. If I could figure out how to get everything Interlaced while keeping the quality up (I have found several little issues that keep me from this) then I'd love to do that.