PAL SVCD mpg -> NTSC SVCD mpg

[Tolly]

what is the easiest and most efficient way to do this? plz help me out!
thanks

[galactica]

what is the easiest and most efficient way to do this? plz help me out!
thanks

Quit while your ahead and dont! I have had no easy most efficient way of doing this. My experience (after pulling my hair out trying to get it done cause I figured my dvd player wouldnt play a PAL Svcd) was to just try it!

HA it plays them!

If you are doing it just for that reason try a PAL Svcd and see if it plays. If you are doing it for other reasons, i can only say:

Ffmpegx, lots of coffee and lots of time. Maybe some rogane so you can grow back the hair you pull out!

[thomasbbb]

Apparently if it's SVCD it doesn't matter whether PAL or NTSC. I have a sony player that doesn't play PAL format, but as Galactica said, it works with SVCD PAL...

note: for those using the Wizeman technique for storing several PLAYABLE SVCDs on a DVDr, if the SVCDs are PAL they won't play (in machine that doesn't like PAL)... there is an easy way around that! make the first SVCD file a 10 second NTSC file (I use the MGM movie intro... with the roaring lion).... then proceed to add your other SVCD files, regardless of the format (PAL/NTSC)..

watch the terminal window when ifogen is processing, and after the first clip it will say something like "trying to change PAL flag from 0 to 1... ignoring".. voila!

hope this helps.

thom

[Tolly]

thanks alot thomas, ill try that. i actually am putting 3 PAL svcds on one dvd, and i already did try it regularly and it DID NOT work! one of my players played it, but my main player on my big screen didnt. so i need to get it to play. but ill try yer method and hopefully it will work, thanks again, big help.

but how should i make this first 10 seconds NTSC? should i actually convert part of the first file, or should i just add in a clip from a NTSC movie? plz tell me how to do this. thanks.


-Tolly

[square]

that's great if that works. i just burned a dvd-r from 3 svcd files only to find out that they were PAL and my dvd player won't play them.

so my question is: i don't have the original svcd files anymore (i only have the dvd-r), what is the easiest way to add the 10 sec NTSC file and reburn the disc?

[Tolly]

yea i wanna know the same as him, can someone plz help us out?

and also...can i use ac3 audio on these dvds made from svcds?

thanks

Tolly

[thomasbbb]

it works... i've done it many times...

as for the 10 second NTSC intro... it can be anything, and any length... I just wanted it to look like the beginning of a movie... so I looked around for an SVCD NTSC movie I had, and took the first 10 seconds...

did it so long ago, forgot exactly which tool I used... think it was ffmpegX, under the Tools tab.. choose split (on the Video Tools section NOT the MPEG 1/2 post-processing section) , enter 10 for seconds (or whatever), make sure minutes has zeroes), choose GO, NOT Encode... and use the resulting small part... easy.

hope this helps... let me know how it goes.. to make sure all is going well, when ifogen is running in the terminal window, you should see that line "trying to change PAL flag from 0 to 1...skipping (or ignoring)"... also when ifogen finishes processing all the files, it writes a profile which should indicate it it NTSC.

thom

[thomasbbb]

square...

yikes! just saw your post... once you have the VOBs I don't know how to modify them... maybe someone else will have a thought... sorry.

[Tolly]

seems to have worked!
"attempt to update pal flag from 0 to 1; skipping"

now i just need to worry about getting my dvd player and tv to play it, and also the ac3 audio to work correctly (it should, shouldnt it?). thanks alot for this trick man, big help!


-Tolly

[Tolly]

well it didnt play on my main player, it froze after MGM intro and didnt play on . and even on my apex, the video played fine but the ac3 audio didnt work, which suprised me.

o well, guess ill just stick to makin three svcds, ill avoid a sync issue i noticed too...
but why would the wizeman technique produce sync issues? it even did so on my completely standard PAL DVD that played fine on my Apex. the source is in sync so it must have happened either when changing Khz, or through de/re-muxing. but how?

thanks for all the help tho


-Tolly

[thomasbbb]

hi Tolly...

well, if you want to get this to work, we'll have to take it a step at a time... I re-read the thread, and i think you are doing the steps correctly... the problem is with this ac3 audio you mention... where did that come from?.. when you demuxed your PAL SVCD, you would end up with a m2v file and a mp2 file, which must then be muxed as DVD, right?

if the original SVCD PAL has an ac3 track (never seen that), try changing it to mp2 format (48k hz for DVD) and then muxing as DVD...

hope this helps..

thom

[Tolly]

yea i made the ac3 myself. but im pretty sure the problem is the change from NTSC to PAL. my pioneer dvd player immediately freezes right after this NTSC (MGM lion roar) scene and then it wont play on to the PAL movie. the ac3 just seems to corrupt , the dvd played fine on my Apex player but there was no audio. but my pioneer is on my main tv so i want it to work with this one. but my pioneer seems to not like PAL. and im pretty sure the problem is the video and not the audio.

but i dunno...

p.s. i even encoded the MGM clip with ac3 audio. if audio was really what made it freeze, i dont think my pioneer would have even played that clip in the first place.

i hope u understand what im saying.


-Tolly

[galactica]

I may have missed this if you said it earlier,
what Model Apex are you playing this on. Just wondering. Both my apex players play PAL svcd with no problem.

[Tolly]

i have the 1000...

but u guys are misunderstanding, my apex DOES play it. the problem is with my pioneer, my main player. read over the posts...

the apex played the video on my dvd, but not the ac3 audio...

the pioneer played the NTSC mgm intro (but it didnt play the ac3 audio of this clip either), but then froze when the actual PAL movie started. so it seems that the video (when PAL starts) seems to be the reason.

so like i said, i just dont think the trick works on my pioneer. it really doesnt like PAL at all, and it must have detected.

the apex on the other hand is off topic, it will play it fine if i have mp2 audio. but thats not what im concerned about anymore. im concerned about my main player, the pioneer, and getting the dvd to play on that.

hope this clears things up.

thanks

-Tolly

[galactica]

It does
sorry for asking again. I know for a fact the apex can play the PAL svcd once you have audio in mp2. was just wanting to clear that up.

id say based on the data given your standard player just cant handle the video resolution of the PAL movie. As such, i would imagine you just need to reencode the video to a new resolution that of standard NTSC SVCD.

PAL SVCD standars are :
Video:
max 2600 kbit/sec MPEG-2 (Audio + Video bitrate max bitrate is 2778 kbit/s).
480 x 576 pixels (CVD 352x576)
25 frames/second
with up to 4 Subtitles

Audio:
from 32 - 384 kbit/sec MPEG-1 Layer2
with up to 2 Audio Tracks

Extra :
Menus and chapters.
Still pictures 704x576,352x288




NTSC (NTSC Film) SVCD Standards are:

Video:
max 2600 kbit/sec MPEG-2 (Audio + Video bitrate max bitrate is 2778 kbit/s).
480 x 480 pixels (CVD 352x480)
29,97 frames/second
23,976 frames/second with 3:2 pulldown (NTSC Film)
with up to 4 Subtitles

Audio:
from 32 - 384 kbit/sec MPEG-1 Layer2
with up to 2 Audio Tracks

Extra :
Menus and chapters.

The problem is the frame rate difference. So it will be next to impossible for you to mantain the SYNC on these and hence why I said in the beginning to just give up! I susptect its your pioneer player that cant handle the PAL framerate.

Maybe someone else can tell you a method. Its been a while since I tried this for several reasons. I only have apex players and i now just do svcd to dvd and have never had problems, even with PAL SVCD to NTSC DVD.

wish i could say more.

[AntnyMD]

I've read this thread several times. It just doesnt make sense that a DVD player "cant handle PAL framerates."

The DVD spec contains PAL specs and NTSC specs, and should be able to play all region-free PAL material (or, in the case of the USA, the rare PAL region 1 disc). Your problem lies in trying to play 480x576 material (even with header tricks, etc) on a DVD player. That resolution is not part of the PAL DVD specs, and should be rejected by all compliant players.

[Tolly]

yes, this idea of it not being able to hand the resolution makes alotta sense.
but i still have confusion. galactica, u keep mentioning svcd specs, but shouldnt i make the files dvd compliant, or doesnt it matter? does this mean i should convert the source svcd to PAL DVD resolution (720x576)? or am i ok with at PAL svcd (480x576)? plz clear this up for me. my source svcd is currently 480x576, but its weird because QT Pro tells me different- 480x360. am i gonna need to change the resolution, and what program will do this? and if i get it to the right resolution, is the trick with the NTSC clip described above even necessary to get it to play in my pioneer? plz try to anser these questions and help me out, im almost ready to give up but i wanna learn.

galactica- using the svcd to dvdr technique (wizemans i believe its called) my resulting mpg for ifogen seems to be in sync, but when the files are converted to dvd compliant they seem to be out of sync. why would this happen and what can i do?

thanks for all the help guys


-Tolly

[DTWells]

I also am trying to convert Pal SVCD -> NTSC Svcd or DVD. Is there some way to get this fixed. I used the Svcd2DVD program which is great, except for my friends who cant play Pal DVD. Is there some kind of quick fix for this?

[Tolly]

^bump^

can someone plz tell me if i can use a PAL SVCD resolution of 480x576 for making a dvd made using the wizeman technique? or what resolution, and how?

and also, why would my files be out of sync suddnely after i do the ifogen step of the wizeman tecnique? what should i do?

i asked all these earlier, but noone is replying anymore. come on guys, plz help me out! u cant give up now, i still havent...

thanks



-Tolly