What AMD Processor will convert faster

[gmatov]

Tex,
They WILL handle big jobs, hour on hour usage. I will admit they may not be as fast, cycle for cycle as an Intel, I don't know, my last Intel was a 266, o'clocked. When the fan went out on it, it booted, worked a little while, slowed WAY down or stalled, pulled the lid, saw the fan wasn't running, replaced, and was back in business.. I do not HAVE a burnt out INTEL, but I do have AMD, Cyrix, IBM Cyrix, and in some cases, the board that the burnout took with it.
Anandtech says they still do not have a diode to shut down the machine at overheat.
The Duron is o'clockable, just as the Celerons were VERY o'clockable, but they DO produce heat. Heat does kill CPUs. Does electromigration ring a bell?
Actually, there are 72 SSE instructions.
Tex, you cut me to the quick. It's good for more than e-mail and Solitaire.
LanEvo, your link goes to the Opteron, click to the Athlon, it doesn't have SSE, either flavor.
"MAY result" in damage, is a far cry from "WILL result in damage". "I might get killed" is a lesser deterrent than "I WILL get killed."
Nightwing, in the last few years is stretching it. My newest board is about 6 months old. It will NOT shut it down. It may soon, as this has all led me to a new monitor prog that supposedly works with my board.
I must confess, I don't know why every comment Tex makes is "ignorant".
Somebody, or somebodies, must not like you.
I see tons of misinfo here, but most of the barbs are aimed at just a few.
And, if I'm not mistaken, the Opteron has debuted at SLOWER speed than the Athlons. They all start slow. They have to be certified, twitched, whatever. Some of you are probably too young to remember that the older CPUs, whoever made them, were rejects, if you bought anything less than the newest cpeed. They couldn't cut the mustard, were retested at slower and slower freqs till they did pass, and were sold as a "genuine". This went for Intel as well as AMD, as well as for Cyrix, as well as for the TransMeta. If you did not buy the A number 1, top of the line chip, you bought a reject. Oy, doesn't that hurt? If we didn't buy it, it would end up in the trash bin.

LanEvo, If you will reread the 3rd quote that you quoted back at me, I believe you will see the words "Opteron(tm)" in the quote.
That one says "will result in damage", and is not the Duron, the Athlon, nothing else, copy-paste from the Opteron(tm) page, AMD's site.
I said it is not easy to get an AMD into the socket incorrectly. Corner pins are missing. If you try to cram it into the socket misoriented, you will, A, not get it in, think, hmm, whatever could be wrong, look at it, smack yourself in the head and rotate it to the proper orientation, or, you will cram it in, get MOST of the pins more or less in place, bend, possibly snap off the rest, then come here and say, "New proc, won't boot....HELP" I've seen that, too.
I keep getting ding-dongs, e-mail from the site, and check to see what I've missed, while I compose this. (I do not type fast.) The last had a post from LanEvo and Tex as a follow up.
Jeez, LanEvo, you are one vicious fellow. You'd think Tex had stepped on your pet frog, the way you lash out at his "ignorance". Mellow out, fellow. This is a forum, not an arena.

[Piccoro]

Intel is recommended, because the software and code its optimized more for them. Sticking with AMD, I would choise the model with the highest Clock speed as the extra cache(barton) does not aid much in multimedia. This is with Mulitimedia as your primary use. AMD's hardware is better although with Multimedia is software and optimized for intels instruction sets. AMD 2600+ FSB133(266) has the higher clock combared with AMD 2600+ FSB166(333) and 2500+ FSB166(333)barton models. Although to date, AMD XP 2800+ thoroughbred FSB166(333) has the highest clock of any athlon.
Intel does less work per clock than and AMD. But the clock speed is faster.
I look at it like this. Intel's mhz is canadian dollars and AMD's mhz is US dollars. Takes more canadian dollars to buy the same item just like it takes more intel mhz to do the same work done. AMD's rating system is just a rate of exchange, but its set buy AMD rather than a neutral party.
Yes, AMD has SSE/SSE2/MMX(32bit-x86Athlon SSE/MMX). As long as Intel claims itself "industry standard" will be ahead in software optimizations. SSE2 is now being licensed to AMD and SSE3 will shortly be here and as more software is optimized for that, Intel will gain once again. They cant hold a license that will restrict companies from competing with them.
Intel makes motherboards also and that is where the autoshutdown for heat protection is. AMD does not make motherboards. Motherboard makers like Asus include the autoshutdown for overheating for AMD...some venders MAY not include that even though ive never come acrossed that.
Opteron is a server chip, AMD athlon64 will be coming out in september and is for desktop use. And priced as such and both have SSE2. When these become more popular and more motherboards are out for them, they will be a great choice as they also have hypertransport(integrated memory controler) which will provide more memory bandwidth than even Xeons.
I plan on getting a Intel system dedicated to video, myself. But my main system will be AMD dual system. Currently I own an AMD XP 1700+ palmanio version and it runs at 40C avg. high 45C(hot summer days)/low 35C(cold winter nights). An aluminum cooler w/2500rpm fan. Pretty stable to me. The temp. range is from room/case temp. changes obviously.

[joebleux]

Pretty typical of txpharoah to go off like an expert on the subject. Like he's the yardstick everything is to be measured by. Then after outdated opinional misinformation he says hey I'm not a tech. March 2003 not likely 2002 maybe. Let us know what Tom says about his facts as I'm sure you will get a hold of him to get them corrected. What does he know about computers anyway hey.Also there will be an Windows XP 64 bit for the Athlon 64 when it hits the shelves and it will run 32 bit stuff also.
Also I think the question was about cpu's he could buy today not ones he could maybe scrounge from a second hand store. Hows your new DVD+R drive doing txpharoah ?

[txpharoah]

Hows your new DVD+R drive doing txpharoah ?

Holding out for the Pioneer A06.

Not a full-on up-to-date tech. Never claimed to be an expert on anything. I work professionally in video, with media law, with media in general, and am forced to screw around with computers. I do well with computers still, but I quit paying close attention some years back. Now it's on an as-needed basis. Just sharing with you guys the knowledge I got back in March of this year, and my experiences with AMD over the past 2 years. Take it or leave it.

Intel can hold patents all it wants, and it can chose to license or NOT license out its tech. They are a monopoly with certain restrictions, but that by no means demands that they release trade secrets, much like Microsoft does not freely distribute its source code for Windows. That is a make-or-break technology. For the longest time, all the way through the early parts of this year, Intel stated it was not going to release SSE2 to other chipmakers. What I read may have a been up to 4 months outdated (due to press times on magazines, hard to explain to the layman), but no more. Obviously, that has changed.

And joebleaux, for being a new member with almost no posts, you're a bit mouthy. Methinks you're somebody else in disguise.

[Andy149]

ahem..........................

sorry to interupt this very cool debate as i also regulary have this debate with a friend (hehehe and now hes an AMD fan he runs a dual 2200) but someone did hit the nail on the haed in the origonal post

Would the extra cache give me a rendering boost?

[thxkid]

I have always used an AMD products since 1996 and not one has ever failed from the 233 I 1st used to the 2.4 I am using now, I usually always just upgarded them to faster processors and gave or sold the others and not one of those that I kept tracked of failed either, That includes my parents and brother thats been using AMD for about the last 4 years, Now I would actaully prefer a 2.4 P4 but not at over twice the price of an AMD, its like I'll buy the Toyota but I would prefer a porche, you buy what you can afford and live with. I bet most people here don't buy the most exspenive ram either you jnow the stuff that costs $199 for a stick of 512 PC 133, I am sure everyone went out and bought the new 133ATA 160gig hard drives also with the new nvidia FX5600 ultra also. heck if I wanted the best I'd just spend $2000 on a dell P4 system with a DVD burner and a 17in TFT monitor. Or better yet spend $1000 on a 20inch widescreen TFT monitor, but you know, you gotta stop somewhere.
My advice by the CPU's that you want someplace that gives you a 30 day return policy so you can have a chance to try them both out, and get it bare bone and buy a $12 cool master heatsink and fan, it run the CPU 8-10 degrees coller than the stock AMD fans do and last a heck of lot longer, every AMD fan that has came with a boxed fan has also started making bearing noise and/or some have slowed down also.

[rhegedus]

The computer cafe i go has about half their computers using Thunderbirds (2nd generation Athlons, really hot) and I have yet to seen one melt yet. There are plenty of people that post on this board that have AMDs and none of them melted.

Just to throw my hat in the ring...................

Surfing the net isn't a CPU intensive application, so I'm not sure if the comparison is valid - maybe I'm wrong.

I mentioned in a previous post the story of a friend of mine:

A friend of mine works for a medical software company that has about 40 PCs running 24/7, mostly for rendering 3D images and other tasks that require 100% CPU activity. Last year they bought 4 AMD based PCs because of the price advantage over Intel at the time. All 4 have blown their CPUs within a year. None of the Intels they already had, or bought since have.

The Intels are still going strong six months later with 24/7 of 100% CPU usage with only a re-boot/cool-down between projects.

[hoyboy]

I have a XP2100+ processor which is about 4 months old, had an 850mhz duron before that. Both work well but I am having cooling problems with the XP2100+, need to have a fan blowing into the side of the computer to keep it from frying. My next computer will probably be a P4 of some description (whichever is cheapest/on special). The AMD chip does not seem as "solid" as the P4 systems IMO.

[IJM]

A friend of mine works for a medical software company that has about 40 PCs running 24/7, mostly for rendering 3D images and other tasks that require 100% CPU activity. Last year they bought 4 AMD based PCs because of the price advantage over Intel at the time. All 4 have blown their CPUs within a year. None of the Intels they already had, or bought since have.

I would suggest that there are many reasons why a CPU might blow. I would also suggest that most reasons are external. For instance inadequate ventilation, fan failure or mechanical shock to the chassis causing the heatsink to fall off. I would doubt very much that a CPU, being run at it's rated speed, would just blow on it's own.

I wasn't particularly an AMD fan, but the prices that Intel are still charging for the equivalent processors are very silly. That's why I decided to switch to AMD when I needed to upgrade. So, I took the trouble to read up on the whole subject beforehand. A lot of my information came from overclocking sites. I wasn't intending to overclock my processor, but what these guys don't know about thermal management, ventilation and heatsinks isn't worth mentioning. It was with this information that I picked my components and designed my new system.

I bought an Athlon XP2100+ (Palamino) around the middle of last year (2002). I carefully picked one of the few motherboards that had a Thermal Protection Circuit that utilized the CPU's onboard thermal diode. I picked a reasonably high performance heatsink (AX7) and married it to a good fan (YS-Tech) and used a shim for added protection.

I don't overclock it, but I do have it running 24/7. When it's not encoding video (TMPGENC), I have it running Seti@Home. So it's under 100% load nearly all the time. So far, no problems at all (touch wood).

The AMD Opteron shows the way forward for future AMD processors. It incorporates a heat spreader, so no more nervewracking moments as you try to mash that huge lump of metal onto a small and delicate piece of ceramic. They've laid down a new standard for a more secure method of heatsink mounting. And I understand that the whole thermal protection system is now onboard the chip itself.

I just hope that they extend all these features to the forthcoming Athlon64 range too, after all it is very nearly the same chip. It is these sort of things that will make AMD processors as robust as their Intel counterparts and make systems much easier to build.

Regards.

Ian.

[Xtasy2002]

Ignore all of these who say AMD can't do video - they are wrong. Also about 'overheating' - this is just plain dumb.

AMD 1700+ - Been going strong now for close to a year. It's 24/7 at 100% cpu usage. At least 14 hours of every day with 4-5 TMPGEnc sessions running using the CPU at 100% to encode. Or the other 10 hours capturing video. There is always something going on here with video on the machine and the CPU is always being pushed hard. The performance has been superb. There is no Pentium 4 in this speed range (1.7Ghz or lower) that can match or exceed the speed of this machine.

SSE2 - too much hype. The application has to be specifically designed to work with it (how can you say the app you will use has been?). So there's one reason it's pointless. The other is the fact that benchmarks taken where an app is using SSE2 vs. an AMD chip that isn't shows VERY minimal speed gains. Like maybe 1% to 3%. The difference is similar to saying with an Athlon 2600+ if you were using SSE2 you would have an Athlon 2626 << No big deal, nothing to get excited about.

I've had 2 AMD systems now where the stock fan has failed, both Athlon 1.2 GHZ. On each one first an alarm went off when the cpu temp started to reach 70 deg. celcius, so I knew the fan was failing. When the fan suddenly died on one of them the system shut off immediately at 80 deg celcius. AMD cpu's only melt and fail at 90 deg or above, sometimes 100 deg. So anyone who knows anything about systems knows you set the alarm to go off around 60 or 70 and shut-off at 70 to 80. There's no way you can melt a CPU if you follow these simple steps. Like someone already said if you don't know what you are doing, leave it to the professional to setup your system and even buy it for you. ALL of the quality MB have the cpu fail safe alarm and shut down so it's not like you could have an AMD heat problem if you KNEW WHAT YOU WERE DOING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

OK that's about it - if you aren't a computer noob don't put your own system together. Have someone else do it for you. And if you want great performance at a superior price go with AMD chips for all of your video needs. The 1% increase you *might* see with an intel cheap using SSE2 isn't worth the negative aspect of owning an Intel system and having your computer literate friends laugh at you.

[rhegedus]

A friend of mine works for a medical software company that has about 40 PCs running 24/7, mostly for rendering 3D images and other tasks that require 100% CPU activity. Last year they bought 4 AMD based PCs because of the price advantage over Intel at the time. All 4 have blown their CPUs within a year. None of the Intels they already had, or bought since have.

I would suggest that there are many reasons why a CPU might blow. I would also suggest that most reasons are external. For instance inadequate ventilation, fan failure or mechanical shock to the chassis causing the heatsink to fall off. I would doubt very much that a CPU, being run at it's rated speed, would just blow on it's own.

Agreed. But the point is that only the AMDs failed and none of the Intels (either in the same room or the rest of the office) have failed. They were all being run under the same conditions, so 4 out of 4 AMDs failing is too much of a coincidence. Therefore, the misfortune with the AMDs was either a result of a bad batch of chips or that they could not tolerate 24/7 of 100% CPU usage.

EDIT- Just read about your experience with 24/7 100% CPU usage - maybe it was a bad batch that my friend's office had. Who knows?

[NightWing]

Beside which CPU is faster the other items are how fast is your ram, hard drive , video, setting, OS, MB etc. You could have a hot rod cpu but its wont matter if the rest of the system is slowing it down.

And NEVER put a tower on the floor! Its too dusty and dirty there. Esp since they need to pump a lot of air through them to keep them cool!

[IJM]

Agreed. But the point is that only the AMDs failed and none of the Intels (either in the same room or the rest of the office) have failed. They were all being run under the same conditions, so 4 out of 4 AMDs failing is too much of a coincidence. Therefore, the misfortune with the AMDs was either a result of a bad batch of chips or that they could not tolerate 24/7 of 100% CPU usage.

It's difficult to say without knowing more about the actual systems. I'd guess that they'd be ready built PCs from one of the larger manufacturers, so they shouldn't have failed under normal conditions. It's possible that the environment in which these machines were kept was very warm. Where the AMD processors eventually failed, the Intel machines would have throttled back. So, while the AMD processors were goners, it's possible that no-one's noticed that the Intel machines weren't running at full capacity because of the ambient temparature. This, of course, is pure conjecture.

I believe that AMD only put their Thermal Protection recommendations to the motherboard manufacturers early last year. When I came to buy my Asus A7V333, it was one of only a few motherboards with the new Thermal Protection available. It seems unlikely that these PCs running this medical application would have had motherboards with this feature.

I read somewhere (can't remember where though) that this new protection that read the temp from the onboard CPU diode was very effective. This article said that not only did the CPU survive having the fan turned off, it even saved the CPU when the heatsink was just plucked straight off.

I'm relying on this to keep my processor safe, because most of the time its running unattended.

Ian.

[RabidDog]

Amd .. more processor power for the same amount of money... also cpus available at modest prices. Nvidia dont make mobos but they do make the chipsets used in them. I for one am looking to upgrade to an nforce2 + amd 2600?? all for the price I would pay for the equivalent p4 on its own. I currently use intel but the prices are too high.

[LanEvo7]

Not ignorant, just a few months outdated. So I was wrong about the Opteron. Okay, that's fine. I'm not a tech, and I don't read up on computers every month.

Months? Try years. The Athlon Palamino Core came out third quarter 2001 and that HAD SSE instructions implemented in the chip.

But now the Opteron is more expensive than a P4, so there goes the "AMD gives more bang for the buck" ideology.

If you want read my posts I NEVER mentioned that all AMDs give a better bang for the buck. In fact straight up on my first post, I told the guy to get a P4 3.06 with the canterwood chipset. AMD does still give a better bang for the buck in the lower end chip market though (>2400+), but their high end chips are pretty bad.

And I'm also curious about the ability for 32-bit application to fully use the functions of the processor. Does it have access to SSE2 in 32-bit mode? I'd love to read up more on it, but that's the kind of question I want to pose to the person considering that CPU. And how is it's melt-down safety checks, if any? Since I'm not buying one, I'm not going to read the many pages to answer those questions: that's for a buyer to do.

My knowledge here has clearly run out on this topic, so it's time to go.

Exactly, so if you don't know the facts, don't read two lines and make up the rest. Just post what you know, do go and say "AMD's don't have SSE, etc."

LanEvo, your link goes to the Opteron, click to the Athlon, it doesn't have SSE, either flavor.
"MAY result" in damage, is a far cry from "WILL result in damage". "I might get killed" is a lesser deterrent than "I WILL get killed."

No, please read the info more carefully. The Athlon XP Palamino core and up ALL have SSE instructions. All Thunderbird cores and below DO NOT. Regarding the damage line, you can go and run a P4 with no/insufficient cooling and see if any damage occurs with it.

Jeez, LanEvo, you are one vicious fellow. You'd think Tex had stepped on your pet frog, the way you lash out at his "ignorance". Mellow out, fellow. This is a forum, not an arena.

I'm sorry, probably a little harsh. I just don't like people knowing a little bit, then make up the rest, and end up posting the outright WRONG information. I mean you can debate their cooling system, I believe it works, however it is 1/2 dependant on your motherboard, but to claim something like the Opteron cannot run Windows is just stupid. He obviously read a couple of lines, though hmm 64bit so no 32bit, I'd think that classifies as being ignorant. The reason every other post I call him ignorant is because every other post he makes some false comment. I'm not an expert, but I don't post up "facts" that even I don't know.

I will admit they may not be as fast, cycle for cycle as an Intel.

No, they are FASTER per cycle as compared to Intel CPUs. Thats why a XP2400+(less than 2.4 gig) can be about equal to a P4 2.4. Just a little clarification here.

Surfing the net isn't a CPU intensive application, so I'm not sure if the comparison is valid - maybe I'm wrong.

I'm sorry, I guess I didn't make it clear. Its a computer gaming cafe. Games like quake 3, unreal tornament, etc that are quite cpu intensive do run on the Athlon's.

SSE2 - too much hype. The application has to be specifically designed to work with it (how can you say the app you will use has been?). So there's one reason it's pointless. The other is the fact that benchmarks taken where an app is using SSE2 vs. an AMD chip that isn't shows VERY minimal speed gains. Like maybe 1% to 3%. The difference is similar to saying with an Athlon 2600+ if you were using SSE2 you would have an Athlon 2626 << No big deal, nothing to get excited about.

Yep, your application must be optimized for SSE2. In the future though, more and more applications will support it and its always nice to have support for it.

Agreed. But the point is that only the AMDs failed and none of the Intels (either in the same room or the rest of the office) have failed. They were all being run under the same conditions, so 4 out of 4 AMDs failing is too much of a coincidence. Therefore, the misfortune with the AMDs was either a result of a bad batch of chips or that they could not tolerate 24/7 of 100% CPU usage.

He really didn't define what "failed." The processor melted down? It just stopped working? What happened? Its amazing when I see people blame one of their components without figuring out what is really wrong with the system. This doesn't apply only to CPUs. People do this with CPUs, Video Cards, motherboards, etc.

[rhegedus]

He really didn't define what "failed." The processor melted down? It just stopped working? What happened? Its amazing when I see people blame one of their components without figuring out what is really wrong with the system. This doesn't apply only to CPUs. People do this with CPUs, Video Cards, motherboards, etc.

I doubt very much that anyone's processor has 'melted'. Does anyone know what sorts of temperatures it would take?

I don't know the exact circumstances (I'll try and find out) of what happenned, but the CPUs were replaced under warranty and the PCs started working again. They are now being used by the secretaries for word processing and the like.

[edplayer]

Somewhat harsh, yes, but I don't think so correct. It is not easy to install a CPU incorrectly. They go in one way only. They are in ZIF sockets. It is possible to crack and ruin one if you screw up fan/heatsink install, and if you don't use some form of heat conductive paste, it WILL overheat, unless you use a "boxed" AMD with the AMD approved cooler, which has a conductive tape attached. I personally only buy AMD and only buy "boxed" versions. Cost is 10 to 20 bucks more, but cooler is included, so cost breaks even..[/b]

Well gmatov, we were discussing cpus "melting" not cracked cores. Yes, you can ruin a cpu (cracking/chipping its core) by "screwing up" an install. How do you explain his many melted cpus? Some of them (installers) make more than me and him put together!

[Xesdeeni]

Well, the answer to "What AMD Processor will convert faster" is "the fastest one." But you probably don't want to pay for that (3200+). If you plot a graph of performance vs. price on any given day, there will be a knee where the performance starts to go up only a bit, while the price jumps. I prefer to hang out on or below that knee.

With that in mind, I literally just picked up a 2400+ with motherboard for $89.99 at Fry's. $9.99 for the CPU fan. $0 (after rebate) for 256MB of PC2100 DDR at OfficeMax (the 2400+ uses 266MHz a.k.a. PC2100 DDR). For $100, I just doubled the speed of my my machine over my 1.1GHz Athlon! (of course, that's once I install it all...I did say I just picked it up).

Xesdeeni

[kevstir]

iv got an xp2400 with 512mb off crucial pc2700 ram running in dual channel on a asus a7n8x non deluxe and i can encode a 700 meg divx/xvid in 1hr 20 mins and in dvdx i get 12fps , before i had a athlon 1100 and the divx/xvid encoding took 4 hours on that and dvdx was getting 6 fps. as u can see thats a hefty improvement i got when i upgraded so anything above the xp2400 is going to give u good results,
1 hr 20 mins to encode a divx to vcd is good in my book , happy encoding m8

Kevstir

[edplayer]

Some people will have noticed that I did not mention what I do for a living/income in this thread (nor have I on this site or any other). Yet txpharoah "knows" that the computer techs who installed the cpus that "melted" make more than both of us combined. Something to consider when reading this persons comments.

But now the Opteron is more expensive than a P4, so there goes the "AMD gives more bang for the buck" ideology. And you can buy cheaper/older-model P4 systems at discount prices and still have SSE2 while cheaper/older-model AMD systems will not.

The Opteron EXTENDS the "bang for buck" ideology. Look at which market the Opteron is selling into (you already stated it). You have admitted that you have not read much about it. Why must you summarize its value when you know very little about it?

WARNING: I have read that using AMD cpus for playing card games should be done with care (or "quickly" if you will). Don't want to risk a meltdown! This comes from a person who has been in the field since the 80s, so of course it must be correct.

[gmatov]

edplayer,
Reread the paragraph you quoted back at me. The cracked package reference went back to some where on the other page, wher someone said it was probably installed incorrectly. A bit further on, I said " it WILL overheat." I think we're on the same page. I am reading these posts pretty closely, before I comment. Please do the same.
And I rather doubt that the "installers" of the CPUs in the 4 purchased machines, someone suggested Dell or Compaq or another vendor, "make more than me and him put together." I think it's more likely an assembler makes a little over the minimum wage. These are mass produced commodities, you know. And I don't think DELL has an Auto Workers Union. GMC may pay 20 bucks to plug in headlights, but DELL isn't paying a CPU plugger in 20 bucks an hour.

Rob,
I have had only 1 actually burn up on me. It burned off the vendors lable on the bottom of the CPU, bubbled the ceramic, or maybe organic, package, and burned the board in the middle of the socket. Considering that the bottom of the core is approximately 1/4 inch away from the underlying MOBO surface, the heat seems to have pretty intense.
AMD says the operating limit for their processors 85 C, or 90 C, depending on the CPU, Barton, Thorobred, or Palomino. That's in the neighborhood of 190 to 200 F, and that won't burn into the MOBO, so the temp had to have been a good bit higher.
I'd like to continue but gotta go elsewhere for a while.

[dun4cheap]

It is my understanding that a p4 will out perform an AMD when it comes to encoding. That is just what I have read.

[orbital517]

From what I understand, AMD processors produce much more heat compared to Intel processors...........therefore you have blown out chips after extended use.


I'm not saying that it's a 100% fact, but a buddy of mine owns a computer store (repairs and hardware sales), and he gets ALOT of bad AMD processors that need to be replaced due to this.

[WeedVender]

. The numbers I read were 1 degree per second, and a CPU would heat up to 150C or more in a matter of just a few seconds.
AND, contrary to your statement that ALL the latest AMDs have thermal protection built-in, I just copied the following from the AMD site:
WARNING: Any attempt to operate the AMD Opteron™ processor without a suitable cooling solution will result in permanent damage to the processor and potentially other components within the system
I think that should settle whether there is thermal protection built into ANY AMD processor
bunch of "pros" having a think session.

This is wrong... very wrong...

The 1 degree per second is not in the boards but in the AMD CPU. The AMD CPU has heat monotoring like the P4 but not as good. Also what you said about the Opterons...
I own a pair at work.. they run very quick with Win2003 and I have no complaints. what you just stated doesnt prove anything.
You cant put a AMD fan and heatsink on that supports a model 2200 on a Opteron.. its suicide. Any processor except the newer P4 will fry if they dont have adequate cooling...

[edplayer]

edplayer,
Reread the paragraph you quoted back at me. The cracked package reference went back to some where on the other page, wher someone said it was probably installed incorrectly. A bit further on, I said " it WILL overheat." I think we're on the same page. I am reading these posts pretty closely, before I comment. Please do the same.

I saw no reference to "some where on the other page". Maybe my browser is messed up or something...

Somewhat harsh, yes, but I don't think so correct. It is not easy to install a CPU incorrectly. They go in one way only. They are in ZIF sockets. It is possible to crack and ruin one if you screw up fan/heatsink install, and if you don't use some form of heat conductive paste, it WILL overheat, unless you use a "boxed" AMD with the AMD approved cooler, which has a conductive tape attached. I personally only buy AMD and only buy "boxed" versions. Cost is 10 to 20 bucks more, but cooler is included, so cost breaks even..[/b]

I also saw no reference to overheating when using a properly installed heatsink/fan (which is what LanEvo7 was criticizing txpharoah for in the first place)

Maybe you should RE-READ your own post before telling me to do so.

Note to others: AMD says that using thermal compound will void the warranty. Only TIM is to be used (thermal tape). This is a recent change.

[WeedVender]

Spend all your money on the Opteron. But I think you should note that the Opteron is a 64-bit processor, and only runs 64-bit systems like UNIX and its flavors. They don't run Windows or anything that any consumer would normally buy (which are the primary audience on this board).Unless you want to shell out money for the Windows Server 2003 software, which like other admin-style Windows systems in the past, probably WILL NOT support your software.

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Err Sry. this is getting to be an annoyance txpharoah but ur wrong again.....

AMD Opteron supports 64 bit and is fully backwards compatible with 32 bit. Not like Intel's Ithalium which has trouble emulating 32 bit software.
Valiant effort but wrong...

Also, If I want I could buy Windows 2003 now for less money than XP Pro. FULL.

Just go to the store and get the student edition or academic version of 2003 for 187$ i think and your on ur way

[pablo180]

Ladies, I think that you are all getting a little bit heated! This reminds me of arguments I used to have in the school playground about whether He-Man could beat The Incredible Hulk in a fight.

This is meant to be a discussion forum, insulting each other and deriding each others comments is a bit childish. txpharoah shared his experiences and opinions and everyone jumped on him like he was a nonce or something. No wonder he made mistakes in his next posts having to quickly read up in order to respond.

Edplayer and LanEvo7, give up the vendetta you are jumping on everyone that criticises AMD’s or contradicts anything you say.

The original choices were between 2 AMD’s anyway weren’t they?

I know nothing about the ins and outs of the different CPU’s but I do have an Athlon XP 2000+ and it has worked fine for me. I have left it encoding for several days on the trot with no problems. But I will be more aware now though as I had assumed that they would have some kind temperature check in built. As a customer you would assume that all non clocked processors would have some failsafe to stop them overheating.

And to settle the argument once and for all, the Incredible Hulk would kick He-Man’s ass!

[Andy149]

And to settle the argument once and for all, the Incredible Hulk would kick He-Man’s ass!

Yeah but the Power of three or the PHEONIX can kick hulks ass from here to gamma powered week on tuesday i'm a jean grey and charmed fan infact season 5 paige looks alot like jean grey

[soundforbjt]

The 1% increase you *might* see with an intel cheap using SSE2 isn't worth the negative aspect of owning an Intel system and having your computer literate friends laugh at you.

As I said in an earlier post, My P4 is way more than 1% faster in video encoding than the same rated AMD XP CPU. I would say it is 10% encoding and 20% faster authoring.

[Piccoro]

Here is the answer you are looking for.
AMD 2700+ and 3000+ are same speed although the 3000+ has the extra cache. Notice the performance increase, small but there. Also note the AMD 2800+ is a barton and has the extra cache, mhz is more important than cache although cache does help. I wouldnt upgrade from a 2600+ unless you plan on getting the 3200+ FSB200(400) and your motherboard can support it. Maybe a bios flash if you feel up to it.

And I like the link Zippy supplied as well.

Just get the fastest AMD processor that you can for your money. Here's a chart: http://www17.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030217/cpu_charts-26.html

The 2500 Barton is not on the chart but the 2600 has to be faster if you extrapolate.

BTW, AMD is faster for the $ (or for the Pound as well).