Which one to buy DVD-R or DVD+r writer?

[elmostro]

i heard that DVD-R is going away sooner or later, all i need this thive is to make ps2 backups games I wont be using it for movies or nothing else

[VinnySem]

Whoever told you that is fulla crapola. Neither format is disappearing. As far as PS2 Backups, I do not know if +R works in it, I do know that BeAll -R disks, which are high quality, play in the PS2.

[q1aqza]

Go for one that does both. Sony has one, NEC has one, Pioneer has just released one that does both. I currently have a -R but when I take the plunge to upgrade to a 4x writer I'll probably go for one of the dual format ones myself

[vric]

Go for one that does both. Sony has one, NEC has one, Pioneer has just released one that does both. I currently have a -R but when I take the plunge to upgrade to a 4x writer I'll probably go for one of the dual format ones myself

and you will use only the -R part

for PS2 backup, -R media are more compatible.. and guess what ? -R media are cheaper than +R..

If you don't make data backup (and don't use RW part) there is no use of +RW burner or dual format...

But you will only have opinion here.. no real awser.. read about those 2 format, take a look at the media store near you carry and make your own decision

[Metaluna]

I have a Sony dual format drive and use mostly +R myself, but it's great to have the -R capability since I have one family member whose DVD player doesn't work properly with +R. Plus I have the freedom to buy whichever discs I can get the best deal on (which has been +R so far). If all you ever plan to use it for is making video DVD's then it really doesn't matter much. Most of +R/RW's benefits are in the area of rewriteable storage, and a lot of the functionality (e.g. Mt. Rainier support) isn't implemented yet so you'd probably need to upgrade your drive again anyway to get those features.

[q1aqza]

and you will use only the -R part

Yeah, but at least he could make +Rs if he wanted to !!

[Northstar]

Yeah buy a dual format drive, that way if one goes down the pan you always have the winner no matter what.

and you will use only the -R part

And i will only use the + side which is considered better but i dont care which is better or worse, i like the advantages of + and the quicker finalizing of disks :P

[mysterio1]

Yeah go ahead and buy a + burner if you want to pay more then double for your media, it may not seem like alot of money if you buy one spindle but add the spindles over a year or two and you through away hundreds of dollars for nothing.

[ptmurphy]

Two reasons to get a burner that does both...

1. You can get the quality media that is on sale. I have gotten +R media cheaper than available -R media at office Depot many times.

2. You may want to burn a DVD for a friend that has a player that is compantible with one or the other, but not boty. Plus, you may have, or may purchase of Stand Alone DVD Player that is not compatible with one or the other.

I don't care which technology is "better" based on opinions on this board. Both formats work equally well for me on my Sony drive. I just like the flexability for the above reasons.

[orbital517]

i heard that DVD-R is going away sooner or later, all i need this thive is to make ps2 backups games I wont be using it for movies or nothing else

Is it possible to back up PS2 games? Or do you need a modchip?

Anyways.........I say go with a dual burner also. You can buy whichever media is on sale at the time, and you won't be stuck with just one format just in case one does become obsolete.

BTW, I sure do notice a lot of haters on this board when it comes to the +R format. What's up with that? Both formats are good and have about the same compatibility. There's no need to hate just because you have the -R and not the +R format.

[Bob W]

I have both however I burn a whole lot more DVD-R than DVD+R simply because the media is cheaper.

[elmostro]

I have both however I burn a whole lot more DVD-R than DVD+R simply because the media is cheaper.

yes u need a modchip

[elmostro]

i heard that DVD-R is going away sooner or later, all i need this thive is to make ps2 backups games I wont be using it for movies or nothing else

Is it possible to back up PS2 games? Or do you need a modchip?

Anyways.........I say go with a dual burner also. You can buy whichever media is on sale at the time, and you won't be stuck with just one format just in case one does become obsolete.

BTW, I sure do notice a lot of haters on this board when it comes to the +R format. What's up with that? Both formats are good and have about the same compatibility. There's no need to hate just because you have the -R and not the +R format.

yes u need a mod

[AarontheRipper]

Okay
1. The -R does appear to be more compatable with PS2.
2. If you plan to buy DVDs in bulk, - is cheaper than +. Yes, best buy, etc. usually charge the same for - and +, but 95% of the time you're getting ripped off if you buy your DVD+/-Rs there.
3. The general consensus on the NEC dual format is that it's very picky with the media you use, and so that forces you to buy more expensive media, which negates the cheap price of the drive. However, for about $170 you can get the Pioneer 105 and it does really well with cheap media. The dual format Sony runs about $300, and so if you are dead set on the dual format, that's the one to get, but in your case, you probably don't really need the dual format, and the -R format is not going anyhwere until both formats are replaced by the blue-ray, or whatever it's going to be called.

[txpharoah]

I believe, for the purposes of this forum, discussion of modchips is not allowed, so please refrain. These devices are illegal in the US and many other countries.

Anyway, as much as I tell users to get -R for video and +R for data, just know that the guy that showed me how to copy PS2 games used a +R burner, and it gave flawless results. So BOTH can be used for PS2. I hear XBox is -R only, but have yet to see that proven to me. I don't have any game systems, so I don't copy them, but passing on what I've seen and played with.

It appears for PS2, both work fine. So grab a dual-format.

[SLICK RICK]

Just to avoid the frustration of wondering if I should have bought a -R drive instead of a +R or vise versa, get the dual format.

SLICK RICK

[orbital517]

I hear XBox is -R only, but have yet to see that proven to me. I don't have any game systems, so I don't copy them, but passing on what I've seen and played with.

It appears for PS2, both work fine. So grab a dual-format.

Actually, the Xbox is +RW or -RW only. The Xbox will only read re-writable disks, but not write-once disks. I have an Xbox, as well as some friends, and +RW or -RW will only work.

[orbital517]

I believe, for the purposes of this forum, discussion of modchips is not allowed, so please refrain. These devices are illegal in the US and many other countries.

I think everything that we do and talk about on this forum is "illegal", so why the big deal about modchips? Just about everyone here breaks the CSS encryption (which is illegal) and from what I understand, it is illegal to do this. What is so different from backing up your movies, and backing up your PS2 games? THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!!! No one on this board is a saint, so please stop acting like you're a saint by trying to say backing up my PS2 games is a crime.

[LanEvo7]

I think mod chips are legal. Its how you use them that makes it illegal. Just like black boxes, they are legal as long as you tell your cable company you have one and you plan on paying for the stuff you are watching.

[lagerlout]

I know modchips are legal in most places, but not all. I agree there isn't that much difference in what we do with DVD's, but anything that can draw flak will cause hassle for the site owners. I've seen a few forums dissapear over the years because they degenerated into a games swapping network.

[orbital517]

I know exactly what you mean lagerlout. It just seems that everyone is sooooo touchy when it comes to BACKING UP games. I'm not talking about swapping games or downloading them. I'm talking about taking a game that I ALREADY OWN (just like DVD movies), and BACKING THEM UP. People try to make it seem so evil and bad, but they are doing the same d@mn thing with their DVD movies that THEY ALREADY OWN.


I'm just ranting now. hehe

Do you BACKUP your PS2 games also lagerlout?

[xsbs52x]

just in case u were wondering, my brother burned me a dvd + rw doing a direct copy of one of my ps2 games and i tryed it in my ps2 without a modchip and it said please insert a playstation2 or playstation format disk.

[sP1D3r]

Actually, the Xbox is +RW or -RW only. The Xbox will only read re-writable disks, but not write-once disks. I have an Xbox, as well as some friends, and +RW or -RW will only work.

This completely depends on what DVD-Rom drive was used in your Xbox. Till today there is a record of 3 different DVD-Rom drives that has been used in the process of producing an Xbox.

I have a Thompson DVD-Rom drive in my Xbox and it runs basicly any kind of media I feed it. It reads CDR, CDRW, DVD+R, DVD+RW and DVD-R. Quite happy with it to say the least.

Regards,
sP1D3r

[letgoofmyears]

I, too, currently back up games for both my Xbox and PS2. And, YES, I do have mods in both of them. Console owners are as concerned, or even more so, for the welfare of games they've spent $50-60 bucks on. Spending $20 on a movie fails by comparison. As far as legalities, I purchased the mods from an American company using an American credit card. This was an actual retail outlet in California, not some fly-by-night internet company.

But I'm ranting. As far as the +/- debate goes, I have two Pioneers, the 104 and 105. I'm pleased as spiked punch with both of them. My ex has the Sony combo, but the only +r she ever used was the one she got with the system. The reason for this is media price. The -r media is, by far, cheaper than +r, at least when you're using 1x -r media(which is the speed you should burn your backups at anyway). Considering that +r is 2.4x, try comparing prices between them and 2x -r media. The price isn't really all that different, and the 2x media is still a little slower. I do believe that -r is more compatible, but that's probably just my anti +r bias showing through.

Finally, to sum up what it took me way too long to point out(if I even did), buy a combo drive, and search for the cheapest good media. Oh, and don't get suckered into those great deals on eBay for Princo media. They really, really suck. I have about 200 sitting in a box because I won't use them anymore.

[VinnySem]

I, too, currently back up games for both my Xbox and PS2. And, YES, I do have mods in both of them.

How do you backup your Xbox games? I thought the media used some proprietary file system that PC dvd-roms and dvd burners can't read. I have an Xbox and have had to re-purchase Halo and DoA because tiny hands ruined the disks. Spending 50 bucks twice for the same game is ridiculous.

Also, I've heard the modchips disable Xbox Live. Is this true?

[drewson99]

I believe, for the purposes of this forum, discussion of modchips is not allowed, so please refrain.

going on that rationale, discussion of a Sima CopyMaster or a region hack would be disallowed, but they aren't.

furthermore, mods aren't illegal in the U.S. and although I don't know about other countries, I would imagine the same goes for western Europe.

[deleeuw]

Mod chips are legal in the U.S... they just void your warranty, that's all.

[Doggiedaddy]

Same f******* question, same F******* answers.
Which is longer 1 mile or 5280 feet?

Deja vu
Dd

[txpharoah]

Mod chips are legal in the U.S... they just void your warranty, that's all.

Sony shut down the PS modchips from being sold from within the U.S., at least legally. I remember reading about a PS2 modhcips case back in 2001, and it went to court, but was settled before trial. Some electronics store in new England. They had made the best modchip ever, but it was forced out of existance.

Based off of the DMCA, the device has no other use besides circumvention. A TBC has many uses, but the SIDE-EFFECT is removal of Macrovision, as that is little more than added noise in the video signal.

[letgoofmyears]

To back up xbox games, you must have a program installed called evo-x. This is(of course) in addition to your mod chip. Evo-x allows you to assign an IP addy to your xbox, then ftp into it. What you do is run evo-x, and copy all files from the game disk to your Xbox hdd. Then it's simply a matter of connecting the X to your pc, FTPing into the hdd, and copying all files into a directory on your PC's hdd. Then burn using your fave burning app. I've had people tell me that they've used cd-r media, but I couldn't verify that since I've only used dvd-r media. Also, since the X uses 3(I think) different dvd-roms, you will need to test different media to see which works best. Also, with a mod installed, you can then install Xbox media player, which allows you to play divx movies !