princo Vs Ritek

[Evor]

Slightly confused by choice of media If Ritek are best choice why are datasafe new disks mostly princo dye (4x red top 1x yellow) and all of bulkpaq disks including new 4x tango disks in fact looking it seems more companies use princo dyes . does ritek charge more to use there dyes. sorry if question slightly vague have just spent 1 hr searching web sites for prices and majority are selling princo or if ritek prices are at least a third more in price.

[Faustus]

Khypermedia sells an extremely cheap disk that is awful over 4gb... why do they do that? Cause people will buy them, and maybe go through several packs before they notice the problem. Money in the bank on a cheap disk.

Personally I don't get it, they ruin their reputation over a little cash... but oh well.

[MOVIEGEEK]

Ritek media is high quality(phthalocyanine)and has been certified "Grade A" by the DVD Forum.http://www.ritek.com/products/pro-dvd-r.htm
If in US you can get G04(4x) DVD-R here:http://www.allmediaoutlet.com/P-DVD-R-4XRitek.htm

[spidey]

Aside from the above reasons - simply do a forum search for these words

princo

bad

media

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Enough said....................

[w00tski]

my experience...
on dru500a
1x worked fine
2x ive used another brand that had the same tdkg0200 media code (yes the fake tdk code), they worked fine
4x, they didnt work at all fine, unreadable.

[txpharoah]

The Princos dyes (in the past, as I'm not seeing that issue on the new 4x versions) used to have some issues beyond the 3.9GB barrier. But the discs were constructed very well.

The Ritek have decent dyes, but the quality of construction sucked.

So both are cheap. Accu, LeadData, and several others were just as bad.

If you want BOTH, you'll have to go get a better disc, maybe Verbatim or TDK, or Optodisc.

If you want BOTH and want them to be bset quality on both dyes and construction, go spend real money on Maxell, Apple, or Pioneer.

Also be wary of fakes media codes. Many TDK and MAXELL discs are fakes. I've seen them both. In fact, my burner has a fake Maxell in it right now. They were free, so I can't complain too much about them (but they still suck quality-wise). Cheap media.

My burners are both PIONEERS (103,105)

[gmatov]

Can anyone say if the DVD media are IN FACT made by the company whose name is on the cakebox, or little cardboard box?
I just spenrt some time on the cdfaq site, and they say the glass, and then the nickle masters are made with all the info etched, engraved, whatever, on them, dye type, etc, and whoever buys the masters simply stamps out a couple million at a time, puts whatever dye, whatever, that was cheapest that particular month/week/day. The data on the master says AZO, they use black magicmarker ink, we say, It's MAXELL, it's the very best. This week it is, next week it isn't, it must be the burner or my settings are screwed up.
I admit, it was the CDFAQ site, but think the probs would extend to DVDR also.
And what reputation? For every person here who says "This is the best..", there are 59 people who say one of the 59 others are the best. I think it's a crapshoot. It may be the best today, but not tomorrow.
I particularly liked the citation that said black media are no different than silver media.. Actually, they are a deep red, and do not mean a thing. If the color filtered out the laser spectrum that did the actual melting, in some instances as high as 400 degrees centigrade, the disk would not burn at all. Go read it. I have to assume it applies to DVD as well.

[LanEvo7]

Read the DVD Media section. For the Princo media code, there seems to tons of problems ranging from end of disc errors to degradtion issues. Thats just on this site, so I'd becareful if I were you. I used two from a sample pack, one doesn't even read correctly anymore, the other just failed during burning.

I've tried optodisc, dupez, ritek, and princo. I've had a 100% success rate with DupEZ. Ritek, I think i had a bad batch or it was a fake media code, but the first time i ordered it, it was crap. The second time, there was a 100% success rate. Optodisc seems like it works well, I've had one coaster out of twenty so far.

[macleod]

sign me up on the princo sucks bandwagon. I bought a 100 pack (2 50's)of 1X princo's for $86 from blankcdr.com and so far I get 1 good one then one bad one.

I have a A05 that I just flashed up to 1.30 from 1.21 (original firmware from the drive). I use nero express (latest version as of 6/7/03) to burn stuff. I can pretty much rule out nero, the drive, etc. because I burned a supermedia disk right after it and it burnt fine. What happens is I burn the DVD-R and I hit next,next,next to make sure that it doesnt freeze. What they will do is around the middle to end of the movie, it will freeze (this tells me that its a bad burn. I did a disc verification using nero and it told me that there were 5 differences on the disk. I dont see bubbles and stuff like that on the white top princo's though.

I am pissed to say the least. I am basically spending (not to mention the time) $1.74 (.86 x 2) to back up a movie. I have used supermedia stuff and I had maybe 1 or 2 coasters out of 100.

I have sent an email to blank CDR saying that I want a credit, however, I'll probably rescind it as the statement says that it has to be returned (in a fit of rage, I take the bad burn and break the DVD in two - call me the hulk, LOL) in the box and all of the media). Plus, there is a mandatory 15% restock fee and they aren't responsible for the shipping fees or lost shipments. Hmmmmmm!!!!

Anyway, all of y'all who want to go cheap. heed the warning about princo's (I should have)..........

[gmatov]

Mcleod, et. al.,
Sounds like CDR all over again. This is the best, I have the info from Infotool or whatever that says it is the good stuff, but it doesn't burn right. Is it my fault? DVD-R of any stripe is a commodity If you can be screwed out of your hard earned, you will be. After all, you will burn a few, or maybe more than a few before you decide it IS the media.
What IS the best dye, and how do you know you are getting it? It's pre-whatever, etched, maybe, on the masters, the DVD disk makers stamp the foil or substrate, or whatever, and use the dye of the month. Today, it is the best, tomorrow, it's crap.
Does the dye even matter? Can't the reader-writer detect the differences in the substrate and give you a good burn? I mean, absolutely colorless disks work properly, if the design is a no color disk, why buy a particular color, because someone posts that it is, swear to god, the best.
I do not do DVD. I admit that. BUT, the principle is the same. The laser WILL alter the state of a reflective foil, natural color, but someone says the deep purple will burn better because it only stands to reason, a white surface is relatively cool in the hot sun and a black surface is hot as hell, so a dark DVD-R HAS to be better.
Oh, well, spend your money. I still buy my CD-Rs by cost per. Too many posters have given up their faults with the high price media.
You DO NOT necessarily get what you pay for.

[gmatov]

Until an industry representative issues a statement concerning the actual composition, it would be unwise to assume that the reflective layer has any specific formulation.

The above is a quote from the CD-R faq site, and I would have to assume, also applies to DVD+/-R/RW. ATIP is different, DVD-CD, but what else?

[w00tski]

i had differing luck today, tried some other princo 4x media. Sure enough it didnt burn at 4x like the others did, but it did burn at 2x and the results were quite acceptable, made a perfect transfer curve in nero dvdspeed.

The media code is different to the other bad discs i had.

Old discs were 00 6A 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 F7 0E 0B .J...@....R.....
77 88 70 00 03 50 52 49 4E 43 4F 00 04 00 00 00 W.P..PRINCO.....
00 00 00 00 05 AA A2 22 22 20 01 00 06 0B 0F 12 ......."" ......
66 66 80 00 07 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 08 01 1B 0B FF..............
0F 08 08 00 09 55 09 10 0B 90 88 00 0A 80 88 80 .....U..........

New discs are

00 6A 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 F7 0E 0B .J...@....R.....
77 88 70 00 03 50 52 49 4E 43 4F 00 04 00 00 00 W.P..PRINCO.....
00 00 00 00 05 AA A2 22 22 20 01 00 06 0B 0F 12 ......."" ......
87 77 80 00 07 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 08 01 1B 0B .W..............
0F 08 08 00 09 55 09 10 0B 90 88 00 0A 80 88 80 .....U..........
88 80 10 00 0B 05 1D 1D 86 66 85 00 0C 99 BD 88 .........F......

These ones were unmarked as well, shiny white tops.
Ah well the quest for decent cheap media continues......

[macleod]

Well, its time for me to eat some humble pie, two helpings worth. Since flashing my dvd-r drive up to 1.30, I have had NO coasters on the princo media. This is WITH burning at 2X on 1X media(princo). Looks like the 1.21 firmware was not able to burn the princo's regularly. I have since actually flashing the drive, burned 7 dvd-r's at 2x with nero and dvddycrypter (everything else is the same) and have had no problems.

Once again "human" error is responsible (sorta) for the problem. If you are having burning issues try to flash up to 1.30.

[Evor]

I appreciate the info guys reading thru the posts it seems to be a case of suck it and see Ive just bought a pack of 25 datawrite red 4X so ill see how i get on with these. I must admit the only Ritek dye I have used is traxdata which worked great. but I usually use brands with princo dyes with mixed results. bought 25 blkpaq purple for £12 which work on my sons ps2 but the build quality wasnt great at least 7 were scratched or chipped. but as i said in my original post princo dyes (datawrite bulkpaq ice etc ) seem to be easier to get hold of datawrite does 4x ritek but my local store only stocks the princo version. maybe it is as someone says about profit if they can shift x amount of units at 79p a disc why stock the other disc that costs £1 a disc. DVD writing is still in its infancy but I hope it can grow up quick we really need to get to a point where whatever the dye we can burn and play with confidence and stop wasting precious time and money

[txpharoah]

I just ordered a 100-pack of the new BRANDED and ORANGE-COLOR COATED Ritek 4x discs. Some of my best burns are Riteks, but until recent months, the discs would not last long due to them having no protective coatings on the discs. Maybe that will change now. We demanded cheap and got it. Now we're demanding better, and it seems as if Ritek was listening. Prices pretty good too. Check out allmediaoutlet.com.

If these new Riteks will perform as well as the new white-topped 4x Princos, then I'll be one happy person from now on. I'll have my high, mid and low medias available. Apple, then coated Riteks and Optodiscs, and finally Princo.

[Artistimus]

is there a way to burn 2x with princo 1x media on the sony dru500a?

[Vejita-sama]

For what it's worth I've bought a 50pack of Princo 4x discs from allmediaoutlet.com, burn to the edge of the disc (IMG files from IMG Tools burnt with DVD Decrypter up to 4,650MB), on my Pioneer A05 (cendyne) and have NEVER had a problem.

Maybe I've just been luckly. Besides Princo the onlyother discs I've used are TDK (and from what I can tell by searching the web they were real TDK discs).

[tommyoz]

I have seen many post about people trying to find the cheapest ($$$$money wise) DVDR media. Then they complain about all the trouble they have. It has been said many a times "you get what you pay for".
Do yourself a favor and go for the better made media - Mitsui, Taiyo Yuden, Etc...... then go with Princo, Ritek Etc.... Stay away from no brand stuff especially when their practically giving it away.

[HyperYagami]

Ritek, Princo, Accu and everything they're ALL crap. I bought the 1x ones and I can't burn any of those in 4x! What a rip-off. I want my $$$ back.

[Bob W]

Ritek, Princo, Accu and everything they're ALL crap. I bought the 1x ones and I can't burn any of those in 4x! What a rip-off. I want my $$$ back.

You're trying to burn 1x media at 4x wtf? Sorry it don't work that way.

BTW I have burned now about 300 Ritek 4x and all have burned at 4x without a hitch. Sometimes I use my Pioneer 105 but most of the burns were on the Sony 500ax.