TMPGenc or CCE 2.50??

[vhelp]

@ satstorm..

Quality'wise...
Well.., I can't really tell too much w/ that pic, other than that it's Interlaced.

The ultimate, really, is the source file (captured) .. like a few 10 seconds
worth, compressed w/ winRAR at BEST setting. Anyways..

Later on.
-vhelp

[Dizug]

In general, CCE is a lot faster I believe. Just toying with both the tmpgenc and cce, it just seems faster. But, CCE has that annoying logo all the time if you don't buy it. Any way to get rid of that?? That is probably the main reason I don't want to use CCE.

[bf6239]

@adam, Thanks for the tip of frameserving from TMPG to CCE. I had always said if TMPG had CCE's engine it would be awesome, framserving from TMPG to CCE creates an awesome encoder.

[MrKGB]

* vdub -> tmpg or
* avisynth -> vdub -> tmpg

But, once you figure out the method, you never go back, and it's second
nature to you.

-vhelp

vhelp,

I am using the same method :
avisynth -> vdub -> tmpg
because avisynth has IMO the best (and much faster than TMPGENC) noise filters (my favorites are Convolution3d and TemporalSmoother) and in Vdub I cut out commercials.

When I was doing home video to SVCD conversion, I noticed that CCE produces horrible mosquito noise. It was so bad, even my wife could see difference
Of course home videos are very different from professional videos: there is a lot of panning and fast movement in home videos, and this is exactly the source of mosquito noise.

[txpharoah]

@txpharoah, since you work in the video industry, then i'm guessing even a DVD wouldn't be that high quality for you, especialy since it is encoded as well

Yep. Even many commercially-made DVDs get under my skin.

[txpharoah]

In general, CCE is a lot faster I believe. Just toying with both the tmpgenc and cce, it just seems faster. But, CCE has that annoying logo all the time if you don't buy it. Any way to get rid of that?? That is probably the main reason I don't want to use CCE.

Ummm..... have you considered buying it? That seems to work real well.

[Sefy]

@txpharoah, yes, i'm sure we all have 3000$ to spare, or even 50$, it might not seem a lot to you, but for some of us, when you change it to local currency it's alot more then you think.

For me as an example, those "just" 50$ are 220nis, and when you work just part time, and the situation is rough, like, last month all my income was only 700nis, that's a LOT of money!

Heck, I wouldn't even have Internet this month if it wasn't for a last minute donation I recieved which helped me pay for another month of net!

[txpharoah]

Well, that's unfortunate for you, glad you're able to take off time to mod this place. That's the reason why most people use cheaper software or resort to piracy: financial ability. But the only way to legally remove the CCE logo is to buy it. Asking for a way to remove the TRIAL EDITION LOGO is little more than a warez request. And because of forum rules, my answer remains: buy it.

[Sefy]

Anyone who asks to crack a program, or get an illegal copy of it, will get a major warning, and if it continues, he might even get banned! so yes, i'll agree with you on that one txpharoah!

If you can't buy it, switch to another program, but no asking for cracks over here! we do not support illegal measures.

Thankfuly for me, CinemaCraft supports my Guide and has allowed me to test their programs for it. Cause I can't afford to buy it.

[mrj03]

What's a .avs file?

It's something like this:
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3483

That let's you create all of this on one CD-R

www.kvcd.net/704x480-showoff.mpg
www.kvcd.net/small-adaptive-sampler.mpg
www.kvcd.net/red-planed-action-704x480.mpg
www.kvcd.net/red-planet-704x480.mpg
www.kvcd.net/red-planet-extreme-704x480.mpg

Have fun

Where's that link you had that had ALL the samples of EACH template?? Very handy

[Dizug]

I just loaded the *.tpr file into the vfapi converter and it created an .avi file. Is it okay to reload back to TMPGenc? Also, I was wondering what I should load for the audio. Should I load this .avi file back into vdub and separate the .wav and video again or leave it?

[DJRumpy]

I just loaded the *.tpr file into the vfapi converter and it created an .avi file. Is it okay to reload back to TMPGenc?

Your a bit confused. Why would you load the project you just saved from TMPGenc, back into TMPGenc? You drop this file into CCE to encode. If your AVI file has audio, then let CCE handle it. I'm not sure if TMPGenc project files support frameserved audio. Adam should be able to help you there. If they don't, then just save your original audio using either TMPGenc before saving the project file, or just export it in VirtualDub.

For any of you doing this, I would still heavily suggest you take half an hour to learn the AVISynth basics. This program still amazes me with what it can do. A trip to the docs for some odd function often has me stumbling onto some other miracle magic this util does. At most, you'll commonly use at most, maybe 3 commands. AVISource (for AVI sources), Mpeg2Source (for MPEG sources), and BicubicResize/Bilinear Resize (for resizing your input). Just drop MPEG2DEC.DLL (for versions 2.0x) into the Program Files\Plugins directory, or MPEG2DEC3.DLL (for versions 2.5x). After that, your scripts are simple.

AVISource("c:\blah\my video.avi")
BicubicResize(480,480) #for 1.33:1 SVCD

AVISource("c:\blah\my video.avi")
BicubicResize(480,360) #for 1.85:1 SVCD
AddBorders(0,60,0,60) # left, top, right, bottom

AVISource("c:\blah\my video.avi")
BicubicResize(480,276) #for 2.35:1 SVCD
AddBorders(0,102,0,102) # left, top, right, bottom

For an MPEG source (say 1.85 aspect ratio), only the SOURCE line would change:

Mpeg2Source("c:\blah\my video.avi")
BicubicResize(480,360) #for 1.85:1 SVCD
AddBorders(0,60,0,60) # left, top, right, bottom

You only need to write them the first time, and edit the input AVISource line to match your AVI filename, or just rename your AVI filename to match your script.

In my off time, I've just started working on an AVS script that will auto format your input, according to the input aspect ratio, and resolution, but the idea is turning out to be pretty complicated, considering the multitude of input types like choped/croped avi's, mpeg aspect ratios, and NTSC/PAL framerates. To date, I have it properly identifying the aspect ratio of the input, and resizing it to either VCD, CVD, or DVD resolutions, according to input size/aspect ratio. It will also convert PAL to NTSC. If I ever finish it, I'll post it.

[adam]

Yeah you can frameserve audio from a TMPGenc project file, through VFAPI converter, to another encoder. When you load your project file, or any other source into VFAPI Converter, a little box pops up giving you the option of frameserving the video and the audio, or just the video.

I agree with DJRumpy as well. I only even mentioned frameserving from TMPGenc to CCE to trump those who said CCE is difficult to use because it requires knowledge of Avisynth. While this isn't true, I still strongly suggest people at least give Avisynth a try. If you like TMPGenc's filters, wait until you try some of the ones that Avisynth has to offer. They are more numerous, higher quality, and definitely much faster than what any encoder has to offer.

[energy80s]

I suppose it depends on whether you want to use filters or not. I rarely use them (apart from the crop one) as any decent picture will not benefit from a load of filters. And thank God I have none of the Inverse Telecine crap to deal with. How anyone could be bothered with that is beyond me!

I used to frameserve between TMPG and the Panasonic MPEG 1 encoder when making VCD's but recently I've noticed that nothing will accept a framserved file (either TMPG from VDub or Panasonic from TMPG) and this is on various PC's. So I just gave up and load the raw file directly into TMPG and be done with it.