DVD Pal to DVD NTSC

[DJRumpy]

Just copy ReadAVS.dll to the VFAPI reader directory and open the reg-file ReadAVS.reg in notepad and change the corresponding path. Save it, and doubleclick on it to merge it with your registry-file.

The DLL file can be found in DVD2SVCD. Just install DVD2SVCD, and look in the program folder for a subfolder called ReadAVS.

[wesman]

Hey guys ... thanks
JJ, i sent you an email earlier and again just know... if you didnt get it just send me an email at refusespot@hotmail.com ... its my email i use for forums...

thanks again..

wesman

[wesman]

thanks DJRumpy

i got the readAVS file from that program and i have installed it.. but i got another question... everyone seems to regard http://www.geocities.com/xesdeeni2001/StandardsConversion/
as the guide to use.. but in this guide
VI. PAL (Video) DVD (25i Fps) -> NTSC DVD (29.97i Fps)

he doesnt mention any audio conversions... but in the thread it is mentioned? why is that?

[wesman]

SAME ERROR

well, tried that.. sure enough now it see the avs and the enviroment setting shows AVISynth.. all is good.. i run dvd2avi 176. use the following AVS file

# plugins
LoadPlugin("C:\WINDOWS\system32\MPEG2DEC.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\WINDOWS\system32\SmoothDeinterlacer .dll")
#
# SOURCE
mpeg2source("C:\Documents and Settings\wesman\Desktop\Lowenzahn\EpsProject1\esp1 .d2v")
#
# values
SmoothDeinterlace(doublerate=true)
LanczosResize(720,480)
ConvertFPS(59.94)
SeparateFields()
SelectEvery(4,1,2)
Weave()
ConvertToRGB()

and i get the SAME ERROR

unrecognized exception!
(C:\Documents and Settings\wesman\Desktop\Lowenzahn\EpsProject1\esp1 .d2v, line 3)

the TMPGE does see the d2v file and will load that but not using the avs file.. i know the path is correct beacuse i just copyied and pasted it....

any ideas?



EVALUATE: unrecognized exception!
(C:\pj2\Lowenzahn.d2v, line 3)

[Xesdeeni]

There are two different types of conversions. How you do the conversions depends on your taste:

1. If the original source of video was film, then the original film frames are spread out between frames. For PAL, 24 fps film is generally sped up to 25 fps. In this case, either every even and odd pair or every odd and even pair of fields actually make up a full frame. For NTSC, the 24 fps is spread across fields using the oft-quoted 3:2 (or 2:3) pulldown. The first frame is in the first three fields, the second frame is in the next two fields, etc.

In both of these cases, you can completely reconstruct the frames from the video (the Decomb plugin for AVISynth does a great job of this, and it also compensates for some issues that sometimes show up on film-on-video, which I won't go into here).

So in reality, you have either 25 or 24 progressive fps of video.

You have two choices when you convert this type of film. One favors the video quality, while the other favors the audio quality:

a. You can speed up or slow down the frames. For PAL to NTSC, you slow the 25 fps down to 24 fps. For NTSC to PAL, you speed the 24 fps up to 25 fps. However, when you do this, you must speed up or slow down the video as well. This results in a higher (when sped up) or lower (when slowed down) pitch. Some people don't object to this as much as the video problems with 'b' below.

b. You can just convert the video by distributing the frames among the destination fields. There are a number of ways to do this:

i. You can distribute the frames into the fields like the 3:2 pulldown does for film-to-NTSC. So for PAL to NTSC, you get a 3:2:3:2:3:2:2-like pattern. Some people object to the normal film-to-NTSC 3:2 pulldown, and even if you are used to that, you may object to the broken pattern of motion you'll see. For NTSC to PAL, you put each frame into two fields, except the 12th and 24th, which you put into 3 fields. This results in two "hitches" per second.

ii. You can interpolate the frames to smooth out the motion. Some people find this less annoying than the above repeating field patterns, but this method introduces "jutter," which is a moving shadow of previous and successive frames.

iii. You can use a more sophisticated motion estimation process to construct guesses as to the location of objects if the original film rate was different. This is beyond the scope of free software, and probably beyond the scope of PC horsepower as well.

The advantage of method 'b' is that the time does not have to be adjusted, so it can be left as it was on the source. If you are going from DVD to DVD, for example, you can leave the AC3 stream alone.

2. If the original source was video, that is it was taken with individual fields, i.e. 50 fields for PAL and 60 fields for NTSC, then it is best to use a modified version of 'b' above. The modification comes in because instead of 25 or 24 frames of information, you actually have 50 or 60 fields of information. So we have found that by converting to a progressive 50 or 60 frames, using one of the smart deinterlacers, and then doing either i or ii above, you can get a very nice conversion. There are motion "hitches" as mentioned above, but as with the above, you don't have to process the video at all.

Xesdeeni

[rockstar70]

wesman,

What version of AVISynth are you using? Make sure it's 2.08. 2.52 gave me similar hell when using Xesdeeni methods.

JJ

[FulciLives]

What version of AVISynth are you using? Make sure it's 2.08. 2.52 gave me similar hell when using Xesdeeni methods.

The version of SmoothDeinterlacer found on Xesdeeni's conversion website will not work properly with the newer (2.5x) versions of AviSynth. As rockstar70 said you need to get AviSynth 2.08 ... which can be downloaded from doom9 website

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[wesman]

Thanks guys i got it working... i switched over to the 176 version on dvd2avi and the 2.08 of avisynth and tried again..

still now dice...

so i went to lunch and when i came back ... it liked me...

anyways.... i still had that last question. will i need to use besweet to convert the sound? the web page at

http://www.geocities.com/xesdeeni2001/StandardsConversion/

didnt say anything about that... I am guessing i do since i have now changed the format to 29fps

is this right?


thanks

wesman

[sendohtheman]

Can anyone help me?

I'm trying to add the following to my .d2v file and save it as a .avs file:

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\Gordion Knot\MPEG2DEC.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\Gordion Knot\SmoothDeinterlacer.dll")
MPEG2Source("E:\WEST\west.d2v")
SmoothDeinterlace(doublerate=true)
LanczosResize(720,480)
ChangeFPS(59.94) # or ConvertFPS(59.94)
SeparateFields()
SelectEvery(4,1,2)
Weave()
ConvertToRGB()

however, when i import that file into tmpgenc 2.5, the output file is a 11 second video that states "there is an syntax error on line 3, column 5".

can anyone tell me what i did wrong.

this pal dvd that i'm trying to convert is interlaced and 4:3.

any help is appreciated.

i'm using avisynth 2.08, dvd2avi 1.76, and tmpgenc 2.5

i've tried most of the suggestions by other posters but still have not been able to solve this problem. i've been experimenting for 2 days with no success and am becoming very frustrated.

thanks again.

sendohtheman

[DJRumpy]

wesman, Xesdeeni's method does not require you to change the length of the audio. Because your changing the number of frames that appear in a second, rather than the number of seconds (length) of your video, the audio length stays in sync. Just author your output in your DVD software. It's a very easy way for newbies to do the conversions, without dealing with all of the issues.

sendohtheman, what do you mean you 'added it to your d2v file'? You didn't actaully edit your d2v file did you? The .AVS script is a seperate file that references the D2V file. It is not part of it.

[FulciLives]

Thanks guys i got it working... i switched over to the 176 version on dvd2avi and the 2.08 of avisynth and tried again..

still now dice...

so i went to lunch and when i came back ... it liked me...

anyways.... i still had that last question. will i need to use besweet to convert the sound? the web page at

http://www.geocities.com/xesdeeni2001/StandardsConversion/

didnt say anything about that... I am guessing i do since i have now changed the format to 29fps

is this right?


thanks

wesman

When using Xesdeeni's method for converting 25fps PAL to 29.97fps NTSC using that AviSynth script that includes the SmartDeinterlacer then NO you do NOT need to change the original AC-3 audio file.

However, you should run AC3Delay to correct the delay value to 0 (as in ZERO) but only of course if the delay value is already something other than 0

You only have to use BeSweet to change the audio when going from 25fps PAL to 23.976fps NTSC but again this method seems to work best when the PAL source is PROGRESSIVE. The other method (the SmartDeinterlacer method) will actually work with both PROGRESSIVE and INTERLACED source material and either way no change in the audio (other than to adjust the delay value if need be). As I said it will work with any kind of PAL source but really is best to use ONLY when the PAL source is INTERLACED. When the PAL source is PROGRESSIVE it is better to adjust the frame rate to 23.976fps which WILL require the audio to be changed as well.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[sendohtheman]

djrumpy,

what i meant was that i opened the .d2v file in notepad and added the lines in xesdeeni's standards conversion page to it and then saved that as an .avs file. isn't that what i'm supposed to do?

thanks

[wesman]

not as i understand it. use note pad to create a new file called something.avs in this file you place that information... not in the d2v file

Wesman

[wesman]

FulciLives wrote:

However, you should run AC3Delay to correct the delay value to 0 (as in ZERO) but only of course if the delay value is already something other than 0

the file that the DVD2AVI outputed was titled "pjtwo AC3 T01 2_0ch 192Kbps DELAY -80ms.ac3". therefore i assume there is a delay... but i can not find referance to this AC3Delay program mentioned

Wesman[/b]

[sendohtheman]

wesman,

as i see it, the results are the same. it still gives me a 11 second clip of an error message that states script error: syntax error, e:\west\west.avs line 3 column 5. the weird thing is my line 3 is the location of my first .vob file:


29 E:\WEST\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB

what is wrong with this line. i just don't get it.

sendohtheman

[wesman]

I had the very same problem for a while... i changed to DVD2AVI 176, ansynth 2.08 useing the right plugins for the MPEG2DEC.dll and SmoothDeinterlacer.dll .. of course you need to have ReadAVS.dll some where with the right registry entry...

when you try to load the avs file into TMPGE it will only show an error in the window.. if you dont have these files, i'll be happy to send them to you with more direct instructions

Wesman

[wesman]

anyone know where i can find AC3Delay?

[rockstar70]

wesman,

Glad it finally worked for you.

As DJRumpy says just use the audio file DVD2AVI created with your new *.m2v file created by TMPEGEnc. You can use TMPEG DVD Author to mux the video and audio together and burn to a DVD-/+R(W).

[sendohtheman]

wesman,

i definitely have avisynth 2.08 and dvd2avi 1.76. i just don't know if i have the correct versions of mpeg2dec.dll and smoothdeinterlacer.dll and readavs.dll. however, i downloaded those in the directories that were mentioned earlier in this thread so i don't really see where the problem lies. is it possible for you to send me your avs file so i can try to import it into my tmpgenc to make sure that works. i will also modify it with my corresponding directories of course. thanks again and man you reply fast!!!!

sendohtheman

[sendohtheman]

wesman,

i am such a dumbass i forgot to post my email address: sendohtheman@yahoo.com. thanks again.

btw, what is the difference between importing an avs file rather than the d2v file into tmpgenc. would the result of the avs file be much better?

sendohtheman

[wesman]

thanks Rockstar,

but putting the sound and video together doesnt really sink.. its the delay..
FulciLives mention that i should fix that but the program he states is AC3Delay and i cant find it any where.....

any idea?

Wesman

[rockstar70]

Found it on this site:

http://divxfr2logiciels.free.fr/logiciels/

I think the full name is AC3DelayCorrector. Though I've never used the program.

Let me know how it goes.

[DJRumpy]

sendohtheman, if you modified the D2V with notepad, you'll have to recreate it. You script should be in a seperate .AVS file. By saving the D2V file in Notepad, you changed it's format from binary to text, corrupting it. Recreate it with DVD2AVI version 1.76, and do NOT edit it.

Open notepad, and create your AVISynth script. Save the file as a .AVS file (example: script.avs ).
You'll need mpeg2dec, not mpeg2dec3 for 2.0x versions of AVISynth. This version is for AVISynth 2.0x ( http://users.win.be/dividee/mpeg2dec_dll.zip )

wesman, most delay adjustments needed in an AC3 file are less than 100 milliseconds. It takes a thousand milliseconds to make 1 second. You probably won't even notice anything less than 100 Milliseconds delay. If you want to fix it anyway, then use either AC3 Delay Corrector, or BeSweet GUI. Both will fix the audio offset for you.

[wesman]

GOT IT.... man... thanks guys for all the help... its perfect....


Wesman

[wesman]

[quote = "DJRumpy" ]wesman, most delay adjustments needed in an AC3 file are less than 100 milliseconds. It takes a thousand milliseconds to make 1 second. You probably won't even notice anything less than 100 Milliseconds delay[/quote]

i was only 80 ms off and it was noticable... but ac3delay fixed it and not the whole thing is perfect... man that a good feeling

Wesman

[wesman]

[quote = "DJRumpy" ]wesman, most delay adjustments needed in an AC3 file are less than 100 milliseconds. It takes a thousand milliseconds to make 1 second. You probably won't even notice anything less than 100 Milliseconds delay

i was only 80 ms off and it was noticable... but ac3delay fixed it and not the whole thing is perfect... man that a good feeling

Wesman[/quote]

now i just need to figure the quote thing out

[FulciLives]

SENDOHTHEMAN

Try using RGB TV mode in DVD2AVI and make sure you select ALL of the VOB files for your video stream. I normally use DVD Decrypter in FILE MODE and let it default to selecting JUST the main movie. Works most of the time unless it is an episodic type disc like TV shows etc.

Now modify your AviSynth AVS script to read THIS way:

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\Gordion Knot\MPEG2DEC.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\Gordion Knot\SmoothDeinterlacer.dll") 
MPEG2Source("E:\WEST\west.d2v") 
crop(0,0,720,576)
SmoothDeinterlace(doublerate=true)
LanczosResize(720,480)
ChangeFPS(59.94)
SeparateFields()
SelectEvery(4,1,2)
Weave()

This is what I use for INTERLACED 25fps DVD source material.
Please note that I deleted the part about the ConvertToRGB part as you don't need it if you use RGB (rather than YUV) in DVD2AVI

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

P.S.
This is the script I use with TMPGEnc Plus 2.5

*** EDIT ***
Make sure when you SAVE your AVS file that you select (this is assuming you are using NOTEPAD but you get the point) ... make sure you select "All files" for "Save as type:" and when you enter the filename make sure you end it with ".avs" so it looks like this "filename.avs" sans the quotes of course.

[sendohtheman]

Fulcilives and Wesman,

I finally got it to load in tmpgenc. i jacked up because i thought i had to combine the .d2v and .avs instead of just creating a brand new .avs file. now it is ok. however, i have a question on the TMPGENC, what settings should i use? right now, i am using interlaced, 4:3 pal, and film movie. in advanced, the inversed telecine is checked and therefore i left it alone. do i need this option? also, i checked do not frame convert, is that correct?

one last question, how would the settings be different if it were a progressive 4:3 PAL dvd rather than an interlaced 4:3 PAL dvd?

Thanks Wesman, reading your file made me see my mistake.

Fulcilives, thanks for your help as well!!

sendohtheman

[DJRumpy]

I would suggest you use the RGB setting in DVD2AVI only if your using TMPGenc as your encoder, or your encoder doesn't support the YUY2 colorspace. It only slows things down otherwise

sendohtheman, I would suggest some basic reading for you. http://www.lukesvideo.com

Read the sections on Interlaced Video, Telecined Video, and Inverse Telecine.

If your video is a true interlaced PAL video, and your converting this to view on a television, then set your source in TMPGenc to Interlaced.

VIDEO TAB:
Encode Mode: Set to 3:2 Pulldown When Playback (do this before frame rate)
Frame Rate: Set to "24 fps (29.97 fps internally)"
DC Component Precision: Set to 9 or 10 (10 is better)
Motion Estimate Search: Set to 'Motion Estimate' or SLOWER.

ADVANCED TAB:
Video Source Type: Interlaced
Field Order: Varies. Try Bottom Field First
Source Aspect Ratio: Set to your sources' aspect ratio
Video Arrange Method: Center (keep aspect ratio)
Select the 'Do Not Frame Rate Convert' option on the advanced tab.

I've been told that you could telecine an interlaced source, and that it looked fine on television. Technically, there is no reason an interlaced source wouldn't telecine properly, but I would try a small sample on CD-RW first to be sure, since I haven't verified this directly. Take it with a grain of salt. If your output doesn't look right, try the 'Deinterlace' filter. You can also try searching the forum for Xesdeeni's PAL to NTSC guide, which uses a telecine method to convert directly from 25fps to 29.97 fps.

Last but not least, load your audio into BeSweet & the BeSweet GUI, and select the PAL to FILM (23.976) option on the left. This will change the length of your audio to match the new length of your video. When you have both audio, and encoded M2V in hand, you can feed them to yoru authoring software, or multiplex them back together with TMPGenc's FILE | MPEG TOOLS if your authoring software won't except the files seperately.

[wesman]

Well the process is complete... the video and audio sink and look great..
but every time i try to burn it using ulead movie factory. the video looks glitchy... shakes a little...

and ideas?


wesman