nero says not enough space

[smittymike19]

I have copied a ton of dvds using nero's dvd copy function. Recently though I have been getting a "not enough room on this media" error. It is exactly the same media I am copying from. Anyone else run into this issue? I copied something using the dvd copy method yesterday, but it gives me this error today. Please help.

[garryheather]

I get this problem when I try to do a disc to disc, ie ROM -> writer on the fly.

Either create a new video DVD project and drag and drop from the ROM and burn, or use the writer to read the disc and burn, creating an image in between. I don't know why the project "grows" doing a disc to disc, but this seems to get around the issue.

[smittymike19]

thanks. I usually don't do the on the fly method and the method to copy to hard drive first stopped working. I'll give the project method a try and let you know how i make out.

[jeet49]

I get the same message but also get the option to continue if I select to close the session. Once I do that, everything works fine.

Cheers!

[smittymike19]

i used the dvd project method and it worked. BUT the time to read the files was way longer and more of a pain. Does anyone know why the not enough space error occurs when doing a disc to disc copy? i think that method of copying is much better and would rather see a fix for it.

[garryheather]

Don't know why it happens, BUT you can deselect the caching of files dragged over from network connections and CD / DVD-ROM's which will speed things up a bit. So long as the media is clean and readable, of course - if not it might test the buffer under-run capabilities of your recorder somewhat.

If you deselect the cache option the process will take no longer than if you had the files on your hard disk.

[vance43211]

nero put marked errors there on purpose to copy protect a disc

instantcopy 7 and other burning program do the same thing

[garryheather]

Well, it doesn't work if it's THAT easily bypassed !

Do you have any evidence to this claim ? I often make copies of copies once I've let the customer have their source back / if they've let me have a copy of their source in the first place, and have no problems with them at all. As far as I am aware, only Mount Rainer and FAT / FAT32 / NTFS can mark bad sectors within the PC domain. The DVD-Video specification does not.

[SLK001]

nero put marked errors there on purpose to copy protect a disc

instantcopy 7 and other burning program do the same thing

This is nonsense. The reason for the "overage" is your method is adding some overhead of its own - thus exceeding the disk's limit. It is best to create a new DVD-Video project and drag and drop to that project. Cacheing or not is your option.

[garryheather]

That was my guess - I was wondering if the sector sizes with respect to the disc are slightly off (DVD-R's method of timing and locating the optics on the disc is more prone to error than say DVD+R), and the comulative effect when doing a disc copy of a copy pushes it over the edge.

Unfortunately I don't have access to a true DVD medium analyser to prove this... oh well, I like guesses - it's easy to be optimistic when you can't actually prove anything !

"No fair ! You changed the outcome by measuring it !" - Professor Farnsworth, Futurama (The Luck Of The Fryrish).

[vance43211]

vance43211 wrote:
nero put marked errors there on purpose to copy protect a disc

instantcopy 7 and other burning program do the same thing

This is nonsense. The reason for the "overage" is your method is adding some overhead of its own - thus exceeding the disk's limit. It is best to create a new DVD-Video project and drag and drop to that project. Cacheing or not is your option.

that's nonsense

Ask nero

Ask pinnacle

as a matter of fact pinnacle support show us a trick on how to insert marked errors ourselves to copy protect our own homemade movie

Gerryheather

everybody don't know u can do that to bypass the copy protection

and instantcopy has a part where u can insert marked errors

[SLK001]

that's nonsense

Ask nero

Ask pinnacle

as a matter of fact pinnacle support show us a trick on how to insert marked errors ourselves to copy protect our own homemade movie

Well, is seems like you have access to the "super secret" commands for both Pinnacle and NERO software. I looked through the NERO manual and I found no instance of "MARKED ERROR" or anything like that. Perhaps you should educate the rest of us on how to access these "super secret" commands.

[vance43211]

click instantcopy, details, processing

and tell me what the second thing that u see after u click new

MARK ERROR

they are not going to tell u

what would be the purpose of copy protecting

if they let u now the info

p.s. pinnacle did tell me and digibear about it though

[SLK001]

I don't use IC, so I can't do any "clicking" there. Anyway, isn't this option supposed to clicked by the user? How come this is happening to people who don't do any "clicking"?

No, I'll stand by my original statement.

[vance43211]

well anyway,

everybody on this site knows i know the inside out of dvd burning

check out my posts

anyway nero don't give u the option to insert mark errors on your own home made discs to copy protect them

ic7 does however

but when you are burning dvd video with nero

they insert marked errors to copyprotect that disc so u can't go around bootlegging that disc

they won't tell u about it because that will defeat the purpose and u will easily figure out a way to get around it

instant copy and instant disc does the same thing

a lot of dvd burning software companies do the same thing

gear pro doesn't

u really don't have to believe me

but for everybody else

that's why u can't do a direct disc copy

[vance43211]

smittymike19

sometimes a quicker way is to copy and paste the dvd files to your hard drive

or reripped it with smartripper then burn it

since it is a dvd 5 it only takes a few minutes to rerip it

[garryheather]

IIRC, DVD+R has provision to prevent serial copying of DVD-Video recorded onto blank media, much like SCMS on DAT. It is not widely implemented because it's akin to shooting yourself in the foot, but it is there (I seem to recall it being a manufacturing constraint put on at a disc level, and the recorder checks to see if that constraint is there - not unlike audio CD-R's for domestic recorders, in fact). DVD-R does not support this "feature".

Not having used the software you describe I can't say for sure, but I do have a basic knowledge of the DVD-Video specification and I don't recall ANY reference to marking errors when using DVD-R. I have come across error logs in bit management software, however, which logs potential "blackspots" where it thinks the bitrate will not be adequate or exceed the specifications if you have turned down the compliancy. I would therefore hazard a guess that the "mark error" that you describe is making a text file on your had disc reporting on problems like unsustainable data rates when recording that meant the buffer underrun kicked in, illegal resolutions etc.

If you have got links that prove me wrong regarding "marked errors" as a means to stop people copying recordable media, I would be interested in seeing them. Please supply !

[blacardi]

I have this problem only if i try to write on DVD-RW.

Problem started when i uploaded firmware 1.40 rpc1 2x4all
on my pioneer A04.

All you having this problem, what writer and media are u using?
Media: Princo DVD-RW
Writer: Pioneer A04 with firmware 1.40 rpc1 2x4all

I had the idea that the cauze of this lies in: 2x4all.
I think i wrote a DVD-RW on 2 speed, after which the problems starten.

[garryheather]

I've had the "problem" since day one of my authoring days using Nero, and I don't touch hacked firmware when it comes to writers (all revisions of the firmware have done the same, so I'm quietly confident it's a software issue or format constraint that I don't know about - and that is the only way I can see it could even possibly be the media).