ATI and V/DUB, Problems With Capturing

[frankandjoan]

I just recently bought and installed a ATI All In Wonder Radeon 7500 board, and after a bit of wrestling, I finally got it in and working. The computer is VERY stable, and I am VERY pleased with what I have seen so far. Unfortunately, to get to that point, I was forced to completely reformat my hard drive, and remove and reinstall all the expansion boards.

Last night, I tried my first capture using VirtualDub, and I ran into problems. My HD reported itself full after only about 4 minutes of captured video. So this morning I went looking for some other software that would allow me to capture, and I stumbled across the program called WDM VFW Wrapper. The blurb that followed said this:

The VFW WDM Wrapper allows you to capture in for example Virtualdub if you only have WDM capture drivers(ATI Cards). Extract all files to a folder and right click on the .inf file and select install to install it. Freeware.

I have the WMD drivers, and ONLY the WMD drivers. It’s the only way I could get my machine to run at all with the ATI card installed. I love the card, but what is the story on the WMD Drivers and VirtualDub?

[GaryW]

I've tried every capturing software I can get my hands on with my AIW 7500 and I've come to this conclusion: MMC is the best.

I'm currently using MMC 8.5, capturing direct to MPEG2 and it's always perfect.

[tww1]

I wish you would let me know how you haveing such good luck with the ATI card capt MPG2. Mine drop up to about 10% frame quility stinks just to be clean) Then nothing want to see the format so can chane it to a DVD format to put on DVD.

ANY HELP WOULD BE GREAT

THANKS

GOT TO BE A BETTER LIFE HERE SOMEWHERE

[txpharoah]

I never have a single dropped frame. Never. I more or less follow the guide in my signature. ATI MMC 7.7 is the best version of all MMC versions, including the newer ones, and ATI cards don't work well with VirtualDub. No, this is not a flaw of ATI - it's a flaw of that freebie program. The ATI card works well with it's own software. If Vdub was better, the card surely would have come with Vdub.

[tww1]

Yes i agree with you on your setup for the older cards but the new 8500DV dont like those setting and after you do a say size file over 3Gigs when you try and converet it so you can make a DVD the program to do that says its not a mpg( so caint converet to IFO it to DVD format.


TWW1

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[andkiich]

Actually, I've had the best success capturing with virtual dub with my ATI AIW 7500. The card came with Ulead VideoStudio 6, and it works "OK" with that, but it has serious issues with jitter and high-res captures.

I'm convinced that the best software, coupled with the newest drivers are the best ways to go.

[frankandjoan]

I ended up capturing with the ATI Software, but now I am having a hard time splitting the long (30 minute) files into shorter segments. In the future, I will only record the segments I need, if that’s what I have to do, but for now, can anyone recommend a program to split these files into segments? I tried TMPGEnc, but Premier 6.0 does not seem to recognize the output of that program.

[Guidoo]

Hey all

just my 2 cents worth...I''ve had good luck using smurf's guide using both an 8500dv and 9700 aiw. The only trouble i had with some mpg 2 dvd was that none....repeat none of my dvd software would accept the files. my solution was to run thru tmpeg and split the video/audio then run the audio thru besweet saving as an ac3 file. Tadaaaa all worked well after that. the only thing i found was that it was best to cap at full res not the 352x480 suggested in the guide. but ten again i'm usually working with poor quality (very old vhs) material from my wifes collection. Full res cap seems imho to give slightly better results.

also have used vdub to capture as avi then convert..yada..yada..yada
only trouble was the massive files created in avi format. i know u can set vdub to split the files but then u have to frame serve and so on and u still have to convert the audio.

[musher70]

If you got xvid/divx codecs installed,
you just click video then compression
and use a codec to compress and you
can capture and compress at the same
time, because if you dont, youre using
a gigabyte per minute, depending on
setting you use, 120 minutes using
xvid comes out to 20 gigs or so,
but you can schrink that setting
way lower, this is for mpeg2.....

[Guidoo]

frankandjoan if your having problems getting your mpeg into premiere u could try cutting it in tmpeg....there is a guide available in the edit section. I'm sure that by jumping thru a few hoops you probably could get your file to load into premiere, but unless your going to be adding effects it's probably not worth it.......

[frankandjoan]

That’s what I did! I took one of my 30 minute MPG file that I had captured in ATI, then I split it using TMPGEnc, and now Premiere doesn’t see the resulting smaller files on the disk. I cannot import them, because they are not shown on the import dialog. It’s undoubtedly something I am doing wrong, probably a setting. I need to review Smurfs Guide again.

[Guidoo]

I think i finally understand what your trying to do...

If you are using the AIW to cap to dvd/mpg format then premiere wont accept the video/audio file unless you have an mpeg plugin for premiere.
I dont know which version of premiere u have but i believe 6.5 came with a plugin for mpg (mainconcept i believe). To get around this you could frameserve to premiere with avisynth. avisynth should allow you to frameserve both the audio and video at once as an avi into premiere. If audio is not a concern for editing purposes then other easier frameserving options are available. Just follow the link below


https://www.videohelp.com/forum/userguides/87270.php


keep us posted....

[frankandjoan]

Might not be a problem after all. It failed three times, then worked once. I don't need the function right now, because I am already editing the movie. The next time I need to use it, I'll know more.

However, I know for a fact that my version of Premiere (6.0) will read MPGs. I am currently using the output of ATI MMC directly, and that is MPG. Anyway, undoubtedly, the problem is in the operator, not in the equipment or software, so if I have any more problems I'll let you know.

[txpharoah]

Might not be a problem after all. It failed three times, then worked once. I don't need the function right now, because I am already editing the movie. The next time I need to use it, I'll know more. However, I know for a fact that my version of Premiere (6.0) will read MPGs. I am currently using the output of ATI MMC directly, and that is MPG. Anyway, undoubtedly, the problem is in the operator, not in the equipment or software, so if I have any more problems I'll let you know.

Sometimes Premiere does not like ATI's VBR MPEG2 files. Capture CBR MPEG2 if you are dumping them into Premiere. I've run into that before.

[Will Hay]

I just recently bought and installed a ATI All In Wonder Radeon 7500 board, and after a bit of wrestling, I finally got it in and working. The computer is VERY stable, and I am VERY pleased with what I have seen so far. Unfortunately, to get to that point, I was forced to completely reformat my hard drive, and remove and reinstall all the expansion boards.

Last night, I tried my first capture using VirtualDub, and I ran into problems. My HD reported itself full after only about 4 minutes of captured video. So this morning I went looking for some other software that would allow me to capture, and I stumbled across the program called WDM VFW Wrapper. The blurb that followed said this:

The VFW WDM Wrapper allows you to capture in for example Virtualdub if you only have WDM capture drivers(ATI Cards). Extract all files to a folder and right click on the .inf file and select install to install it. Freeware.

I have the WMD drivers, and ONLY the WMD drivers. It’s the only way I could get my machine to run at all with the ATI card installed. I love the card, but what is the story on the WMD Drivers and VirtualDub?

Did you solve your Vdub issues Frank?
I could only run Vdub after I installed a wrapper but after that I've never used anything else.
Will

[zumran]

I agree with everybody else that ati aiw 7500 works best with mmc, I run 8.5 version and it works flawlessly. I never had any issue with ati, it works as advertised. I could not get audio in virtual dub, therfore I don't use it any more. Just use mmc, capture in mpeg2 and burn it.

[kenmo]

For avi capturng the best program for me is VirtualVCR. I have an ATi TV Wonder (PCI) version and I can capture 2+ hours of avis at 640x480 and maintain perfect video/audio synch and little dropped frames (less then 20 in 2 hours).

[Craig Tucker]

I have an ATI aiw 7500, my OS is windows XP (no need for the wrapper). I use vdub for capturing I much prefer it to MMC. I never have any problems capturing with vdub, most of the time I capture at full DVD res with huffy codec.

[Craig Tucker]

If Vdub was better, the card surely would have come with Vdub.

This is a bit of a silly statement, ATI provide MMC with their cards because it is their software, this does not mean it is better than everything else on the market. They could not supply vdub with the cards even if they wanted to, not without the authors permission. I am not saying that vdub is betther than mmc or mmc is better than vdub, each to their own, I personally prefer vdub.

[frankandjoan]

Sorry, but I've been busy for awhile editing our first vacation video. Thats a very good thing, because up till now it hasn't worked. Almost done, we're recording and laying some voice-over narration, and that's our last step. Should be done by Sunday night, I hope. Then comnes the next step, laying the final product on tape and CD-ROM.

To answer my questions, I have a Windows 98 operating system, and I really like, but do not need, VirtualDub. I also have a ATI AIW 7500 Raedon board. I'll have to reformat after this project, becaiuse I screwed up the drivers again. Long story, stupid mistake, not fatal. Still up and running.

I'll be back soon.

Frank