Phillips recorder 2 dvdr

[tobnvodka]

Hi
I want to back up a disc created in my stand alone recorder(phillips 890) using my pc recorder (pioneer 104) I've tried to copy it using record now and nero both reject it .

has anyone got any tips for backing up this disk?
tobnvodka

[FulciLives]

Hello

What format is the original disc ... DVD+R or DVD+RW?

You should have no problem when you copy a DVD+R to either DVD-R or DVD+R (whichever your burner is). But you can't copy a DVD+RW to a normal DVD+R or DVD-R. I think you can copy a DVD+RW to another DVD+RW but I've never tried that. I don't use the DVD+ format to be honest.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[Baldrick]

Hello

What format is the original disc ... DVD+R or DVD+RW?

You should have no problem when you copy a DVD+R to either DVD-R or DVD+R (whichever your burner is). But you can't copy a DVD+RW to a normal DVD+R or DVD-R. I think you can copy a DVD+RW to another DVD+RW but I've never tried that. I don't use the DVD+ format to be honest.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

Can't copy DVD+RW to DVD+-R ???? What do you mean. It works fine to copy between any - or + format. Or do you mean DVD-RAM?

[tobnvodka]

Hi the format is dvd+rw.
Im sure I did this a while ago when fight club when shown on tv. But I cant remember how I did it. or maybe i tried and failed!!

tobnvodka

[FulciLives]

Can't copy DVD+RW to DVD+-R ???? What do you mean. It works fine to copy between any - or + format. Or do you mean DVD-RAM?

I thought DVD+RW used a different format than regular DVD-R and DVD+R discs and couldn't simply be copied easily that way (i.e., to a DVD-R or DVD+R). But I don't know much about DVD+RW so if I am wrong I apologize!

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[Hobbyist]

I think there are +VR and -VR formats using variable bitrate for the DVD+RW and DVD-RW respectively. Most DVD recorders have one of these formats available, depending on whether it is a + or - recorder. These formats are not available for DVD+R and DVD-R medias respectively. If the +VR format is used on the DVD+RW, then it may be possible the DVD+RW cannot be copied one to one to DVD+R using the DVD recorder.

To answer the original post, if DV is available on the 890, I suggest DV out to the computer system and re-encode. (This is what I do with the -VR format DVD-RW on the Pioneer PVR7000) Alternatively, after finalising the +VR disk, the only software I know what can work with the VR format is Ulead VideoStudio 7 (and a few more programs which I can't remember). I am not sure if it can read the disk, as I have never tried this option. But if it can work with the format, it should read the disk.

Good luck

[FulciLives]

I think there are +VR and -VR formats using variable bitrate for the DVD+RW and DVD-RW respectively. Most DVD recorders have one of these formats available, depending on whether it is a + or - recorder. These formats are not available for DVD+R and DVD-R medias respectively. If the +VR format is used on the DVD+RW, then it may be possible the DVD+RW cannot be copied one to one to DVD+R using the DVD recorder.

Yes thankyou!

When I said DVD+RW uses a "different format" I was indeed thinking of the VR format but coudn't remember the proper name of it.
So when I said you can't copy a DVD+RW to a DVD-R or DVD+R (using a computer burner) this is what I was thinking.

I must admit that I don't know much about the Philips stand alone DVD recorder but it was my impression that any DVD+RW recorded on it does so in the VR format but perhaps the user has a choice as to formats when selecting that media on that Philips stand alone DVD recorder. I do not know as I don't have one nor do I have any close friends that have one.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[FulciLives]

To answer the original post, if DV is available on the 890, I suggest DV out to the computer system and re-encode. (This is what I do with the -VR format DVD-RW on the Pioneer PVR7000) Alternatively, after finalising the +VR disk, the only software I know what can work with the VR format is Ulead VideoStudio 7 (and a few more programs which I can't remember). I am not sure if it can read the disk, as I have never tried this option. But if it can work with the format, it should read the disk.

I know this will not help anyone who has a stand alone DVD+R/W recorder but I thought I should point out that the DVD-RAM format (part of the -R community) is unique to all other recordable formats in that you can import it into a computer for editing then create a custom disc (with menus and chapter points of your design etc.) using your computer DVD recordable drive all the while AVOIDING any re-encoding.

The process is not HARD but it is TRICKY because it you don't do it a certain way then your authoring software MAY re-encode. But if you do it the RIGHT way then you will not have to do any re-encoding. This of course not only saves MANY HOURS but also preserves quality.

Seems the most popular software for dealing with DVD-RAM discs on a computer would be Ulead's DVD WORKSHOP and Ulead's DVD MOVIEFACTORY 2 as well as Panasonic's own MOVIEALBUM software (which comes packaged with Panasonic DVD computer burners).

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

P.S.
The popular Panasonic line of stand alone DVD recorders (many models available) support DVD-RAM as do Toshiba (which has one model out now and a new model due soon). I'm not sure if the Pioneer models do or not ... I never looked into them very much as the price of the Pioneer stand alone DVD recorders are SKY HIGH although I understand they have a couple new models due soon with lower prices than past existing models.

[tobnvodka]

Cheers for the replys peeps
I thought I had it cracked today I got up off nights and tried a programme called "realclonedvd"it claims to be able to back up dvd+rw it's a very simple affair select the source select a temp holding file and select your output drive and away you go.

I took the completed disk to my pacific player put it in and it played
however it only played until chapter 4
I've read another post that suggests using vob instant works a treat so that will be my next attempt. and then ulead movie2.
Unless anyone has any other ideas

tobnvodka

[Tan_the_Man]

Hi there,

I have a Pioneer DVDR-104 for quite a while and a couple of weeks ago purchased a Philips DVDR880. The way I transferred the content of the DVD+RW to a DVD-R that can be played on any standalone DVD player is as follows:

1. Rip/copy the files from the VIDEO_TS folder with either DVD Decrypter or ISO Buster to the hard disk.

2. Use IFOEdit 'VOB Extra' option to generate a completely new set of .IFO files (this is because the original IFO files shows at least 2 different titles when, in fact, there is only one. There is some explanation for this on the www.dvdplusrw.org website). With this option you only keep the movie, of course as you will lose the Philips generated menu.

3. Burn the re-engineered files with Nero, or RecordNow Max in the normal way (to a DVD-R in my case).

A couple of points to note -
(a) because the original DVD+RW plays perfectly fine on my Toshiba standalone, I thought I would only need to create an image of it and burn that to a DVD-R and that should work. However, I tried this and it did not work!
(b) the original DVD+RW may or may not be readable by a DVD-ROM e.g. my Pioneer DVDR can read it but not my NEC DVD-ROM.

I hope that helps.
Cheers
Tan

[tobnvodka]

I wish i'd read the above it may have saved me a little time, I tried to run my ripped video t_s through dvd2one and your right you do have two title sets. I'll try again tonight using IFOEdit 'VOB Extra'
I'll get there in the end
cheers tobnvodka

[resound]

I have a Philips 985 DVD recorder and I am having a problem copying dvds I made on that machine. The +Rs and +RWs I made on the 985 play on my Samsung DVD-ROM, my NEC 1100A +R/RW writer and my Apex 3201. I have made copies of a 985 +RW disc using neoDVD. I successfully made the copy but only the NEC 1100A and Samsung DVD-ROM will read it. Neither the outboard Apex player nor the Philips 985 will read the copy. I am just trying to figure out where to go from here. Should I try different brands of blank disc?

[thxkid]

I have had problems with my -R's recorded from my panasonic trying to backup, I found that DVDshrink works perfect for this solution and I backup them up to a +R on my HP.

[resound]

Does DVDshink save the homemade DVD on the hard drive? Then do use DVDshrink to burn the copy?

[tobnvodka]

I'm Struggling to get the video_ts onto my hard drive I've tried two films and I get an error at vts1 02 each time. I've tried using
Dvddecrypter
smart ripper
iso buster
ulead movie2
And dragging and dropping the video_ts folder off the dvd to my hard disk
I get an error saying something like"cyclical redundancy error".
both films same error same place. I think I'll try another brand of media and see how that goes.

tobnvodka

[RoopeT]

I've had no problems copying stuff recorded with my Philips DVDR 980 onto DVD+RW to DVD-R. I've heard there are problems with some of the cheapest media (I only have HP DVD+RWs, no problem).

There should be no problems copying a DVD+RW. However, if you do any editing you have to make your edits compatible before any other player reads your disc. Also, DVD+R's have to be finalized.

I've used DVDDecrypter for reading the DVD+RW's onto HD (ISO reading mode).

[tobnvodka]

Me thinks I never made my edits compatable, I changed the menu picture and the title. I'll pop it back in the recorder tomorrow morning and retry after making it compatable
cheers for that tobnvodka

[handyguy]

A panasonic doesn't write VOB files, but another kind of file. What is the name of those files? Some require renaming before you can copy them.

[tobnvodka]

Thought I'd post an update of where I'm upto and how I now achieve good backups.

1 burn a film using my philips dvd recorder

2insert the disk into my pc's dvd drive

3open tmpgenc dvd

4click on the source tab and select the video_ts folder ingoring the rm folder

5Select output (you can remove the start or the end of the film if you started to soon or ended to late)

6burn to dvd using instant cd dvd

7 perfect results no sound sync problems no infinate loops at the start of the film.

cheers for the replys from a very happy tob