playback pause, not what you might think

[spicymeatball]

hello all, i'm n00b. i've read many articles and haven't seen this addressed. i need some perhaps expert advice.

this is my method for making my dvd-r backups.

1) rip
i rip the dvd to my hard drive via DvdDecrypter. JUST the movie.
my dvd burner is Pioneer DVR-105 (with latest firmware), and this is what i also rip with. ASPI 4.6 is on the (fairly stacked Win2K) machine.

2) encode
i use dvd2one to strip the subtitles, extra audio tracks, encode to make it fit to 1 dvd-r. after which i delete the 2 *.ifo files as i've heard that dvd2one does not make the best ifo's.

3)rebuild/author
i use ifoedit to re-create the ifo files and to make the disc region free.

4) burn
i use Nero to burn the Dvd-Video disc. prior to inserting i use compressed air to make sure the disc & drive are clean. i use Ritek 4x GP discs to burn.

5) label
a sticky label gets pressed on the topside of the disc. (i know some say this will mess your dvd up...)

6) playback
my Toshiba SD-2200 plays the discs. here is where the problem lies.

7) pauses
when the movie goes for about 80-90 minutes, the playback begins to pause. it is not in specific areas, but once it starts the playback pause it continues, making the movie unwatchable (every 3-4 seconds). here's the strange part. if i pop to dvd-r in and start it immediately at 80-90 minutes into the movie, there are no problems whatsoever. so it's NOT a particular sector, scratch or burp.

my theory is that the dvd-r gets warm from spinning for the past 80-90 minutes and when it does, something about the disc being warm makes it hard to read. has anyone run into this problem before? with this media or others? supposedly, the Ritek 4xGP is "perfect" for the dvr-105. any help please? media suggestions for my burner/player combo?

thanks a ton boys! and kudos for making it to the end

[vandakeg]

5) label
a sticky label gets pressed on the topside of the disc. (i know some say this will mess your dvd up...)

maybe you answered your own question

[defense]

This problem is similar to a few things which could be the culprit, thus making it hard to track. I would of originally said your "media" is the cause, because the data is more sensitive to the outer edge and as a result, this could be the problem. However, being that you can start right from the 80-90 point, that can't be the issue.

I think Vandakeg answered the question which you may of answered. Labels can screw up the playback of video because the disk in not PROPERLY balanced. This gets very technical, but the reason people don't have the problem on "labelled" cd's CD's as much as DVD's is because the CD laser is apparently more "forgiving." The only way to know for sure is to test it out in other DVD players, such as your DVD ROM and a friends or family members standalone. See if the problem occurs in other standalones.

[Doggiedaddy]

4) NERO

Oh sorry, thought it was a poll on most likely culprit. kidding
Had similar problems changed to RNM on A03's problems vanished?
just me
Dd

[drewson99]

However, being that you can start right from the 80-90 point, that can't be the issue.

but depending on his bitrate, this could be in the sensitive zone.

*try to use less of the disc (3500MB) and see what happens.

I use a self-modified label press (some scotch tape arond the center post ensures more centered labels) and have never had a balance problem.

[defense]

but depending on his bitrate, this could be in the sensitive zone.

The bitrate wouldn't be an issue there because if that were the "sensitive area" then it would freeze at the same, exact point starting right at it. Being that there is "no" specific point, and it just happens at a random point, it is more likely a balance issue. Although the Standalone could have it's own issues, and that's why I suggested they try other players.

I've had this "sensitive area" issue on about four occasions, and with different media. Each time it was a media issue, but with this type of problem, you CAN'T re-rip the data off the disk to the HD. The reason for this is because the data in that respective area is damaged, meaning that if you play it from the beginning, it will lockup at that point, and if you play it right at that point, the same lockup or freeze will occur.

[spicymeatball]

thanks a ton guys, your information is valuable.

i think balance may be the issue here. i'm not sure if its cheap media getting warm from spinning, this is just a theory of mine.

looks like i'll have to put my movies back on the HDD and eat the coasters...

thanks again...

[kevlar69]

i use dvd2one to strip the subtitles, extra audio tracks, encode to make it fit to 1 dvd-r. after which i delete the 2 *.ifo files as i've heard that dvd2one does not make the best ifo's.

I don't know where this information comes from, I have done many backups with DVD2ONE, and have had no problems apart from the odd difficult to copy disc. What's supposed to be wrong with dvd2one ifo's?

Kevlar

[spicymeatball]

kevlar, i only started doing this b/c earlier advice i had gotten mentioned that DVD2One has been known to make bad ifo's. it's second hand information really, and since my process seems to be working, i haven't yet attempted to streamline it. so, it may or may not be true; i'm not claiming either way right now.

as for re-ripping all these dvdrs that i have. if you can get your hands on Discjuggler Pro, then it seems to make great DVD-R images. i essentially need to re-burn my dvd-r's (not daunting since i only have 8 so far), and NOT put a sticky label on them. the *.cdi images that Discjuggler make work out nicely...

[JHMac]

I found out the hard way also about the lables, anyway you can use DVDDecrypter to make an .iso using read ISO then burn them to a new DVD using Write ISO. Good Luck!

[marwah]

Hello Guys
I have same kind of problem. I backup dvd-r pioneer aoo5 with instant copy. I have Hitachi DVP250 and it play for example about hour and it shut it down. The main power goes off but the panel lights are still on. I am using legacy media I think is princo. I have no labels on media and also on the pc it runs fine. I cannot figure out if something wrong with player or media is cheap does not go wiht player or so. Any suggestion welcome.
Thanks
Harpreet

[fahrenheit1]

I too get to around the 90 minute mark and after that i start getting freezing, pausing problems etc and i dont use sticky labels im at my wits end on all standalone players [/b]