IT'S HERE! DVD2oneXXXXXXXXX !

[tgpo]

For those who can read french, we published a How-to...

http://www.macetvideo.com/dvd2onex/dvd2onex.html

I also have posted one, but it is in English
http://homepage.mac.com/tgpo

[sherry]

Can't figure out something easier.

[Microman]

After all the things I have tried, after trying the 30 minute demo, I new that this is what I wanted. Bought it! Supported it! Love it!.

Works great.

Now I need to figure whether I want quality or quanity, in terms of MOVIE or DISK COPY modes.

Wish there was a way for me to get rid of those 6 chapters at the beggining of this Disney movie with advertisemtents for 6 other Disney movies, and still keep FULL DISK COPY features.

Thanks, for doing the OSX version..!

[Riot Nrrrd]

There's a couple of issues I haven't seen mentioned/discussed yet.

1. The Holy Grail of Mac DVD backup/duping seems to be close at hand, but to most people it involves the use of only one program to do everything. forty-two tries hard in this regard, hiding most of the nitty-gritties underneath the hood. Have the DVD2OneX developers mentioned why they require using OSex or DVD Backup 1.3 as the precursor step? (The DVD2oneXHelp file says "Since decrypting DVD's can be against the law in your country, this part is not included in DVD2one.", which seems like a bit of a cop-out to me.) It seems like some of the speed claims are in part founded on the fact that it's running off of disk (instead of off the DVD) and half the job (copying/decrypting to disk) has already been done for it already. I give kudos to Kai & co. for doing this same step underneath the hood of forty-two and presenting a single interface - right down to the creation of the ready-to-burn ISO disc image.
   
2. The correct use of folders that contain spaces in their paths by DVD2OneX - this thorny problem is forty-two's arch nemesis, and a tough nut to crack (I found that telling forty-two to use a folder on "/Volumes/WD Caviar WD2000JB/DVD Backups", for example, would cause it to create a folder in "/Volumes" called "WD\ Caviar\ WD2000JB", with the resulting path to the folder being "/Volumes/WD\ Caviar\ WD2000JB/DVD\ Backups" - i.e. with the backslashes embedded in the actual folder names - so it was writing to the system disk, rather than to my 200 Gbyte FireWire drive. Oops ... To be fair, however, I've been using UNIX® for nearly 20 years now, and using spaces in paths so often in Mac OS X still causes me problems at times). Has anyone used DVD2OneX with a "valid (empty) destination directory" that contains spaces in the path to it, such as the example I showed above? If so, did it work with no problems?

[AntnyMD]

Decrypting copy-protected DVDs is illegal in the United States, so the developers of DVD2one have obviously decided to sidestep legal issues regarding decryption by avoiding the decryption process altogether.

They do not recommend certain DVD decrypters ... those suggestions come from us, your comrades in piracy (and/or fair use) here and elsewhere.

Do not blame the DVD2one developers for not including decryption in their program. KaiCherry & Co. will come under the gun with one mention of their program in Macworld magazine. That mag has already mentioned DVDBackup and 0Sex several times, and I'm sure the MPAA is trying to hunt those dudes down as we speak.

The kind of nitpicking in that last post is the kind that pisses me off, personally. "It doesnt do what I want it to do, so its not perfect, its fucked." It does what is says it does, and does it well. Hell, even on my slow as hell G3 it's doing movie-only copy in 27 minutes. Thats a ton better than the 12-24 hours just earlier this year.

If you want a program to do it all for you, use 42 (and dont complain about its shortcomings -- because its free) ... If you want to crunch your DVDs without pain and get it ripped and crunched in 60 minutes or less, get a decrypter, whip out your 50 euros and shut up.

[stniuk]

When I first started to backup >5gb dvd's about a year ago the only method I found was to extract the component files and convert them to quicktime. Import them into FCP. Export them at lower bit rates, import into dvdsp, export as disk, then burn in toast. It took not hours but days and > 40gb on the hard drive and even then the results were hit and miss.
We then got various programs such mediapipe,fmpegx and 42 etc which shortened the 'turnaround' time dramatically and improved the results, thank you to the developers.
Now we have dvd2onex. I completely backed up a disk which as before would have taken days in just 2 hours, the movie is flawless.
I think mac users have have found what they have been looking for for so long. I have.

Steven.

[sherry]

Decrypting copy-protected DVDs is illegal in the United States, so the developers of DVD2one have obviously decided to sidestep legal issues regarding decryption by avoiding the decryption process altogether.

They do not recommend certain DVD decrypters ... those suggestions come from us, your comrades in piracy (and/or fair use) here and elsewhere.

Do not blame the DVD2one developers for not including decryption in their program. KaiCherry & Co. will come under the gun with one mention of their program in Macworld magazine. That mag has already mentioned DVDBackup and 0Sex several times, and I'm sure the MPAA is trying to hunt those dudes down as we speak.

The kind of nitpicking in that last post is the kind that pisses me off, personally. "It doesnt do what I want it to do, so its not perfect, its fucked." It does what is says it does, and does it well. Hell, even on my slow as hell G3 it's doing movie-only copy in 27 minutes. Thats a ton better than the 12-24 hours just earlier this year.

If you want a program to do it all for you, use 42 (and dont complain about its shortcomings -- because its free) ... If you want to crunch your DVDs without pain and get it ripped and crunched in 60 minutes or less, get a decrypter, whip out your 50 euros and shut up.

Yep, i suppose this was badly needed to be reminded to some people who will never be happy with what they get for free. If the apps they are using doesn't match their expectations I would advise them to build up their own ones which would provide them satisfaction. If they are not capable to, they should start praising the others's great work before complaining.
Cheers

[Ladd]

[1] Insert DVD into drive. Let the main title play a few seconds in Apple DVD Player (or DVD player of your choice).
[2] Launch DVDBackup. Make sure to use version 1.3
[3] Drag your DVD icon into DVDBackup. Process the files.
[4] Close DVDBackup and launch DVD2OneX
[5] Select movie or full disk, audio options, and subtitle options when in movie-only mode.
[6] Process these files to 4.472gb
[7] Burn the resulting files in a VIDEO_TS folder in Toast. Add an empty AUDIO_TS folder for added compatibility.

Is there any way to perform a "movie-only" process *AND* select all the camera angles available?

This is my first time ever using any sort of backup software, much less DVD2one, so I might have missed something, but I couldn't figure out a way to process only the move but still retain the multiple camera angles offered.

[Riot Nrrrd]

The kind of nitpicking in that last post is the kind that pisses me off, personally. "It doesnt do what I want it to do, so its not perfect, it's fucked." [...]

If you want a program to do it all for you, use 42 (and don't complain about its shortcomings -- because it's free) ... If you want to crunch your DVDs without pain and get it ripped and crunched in 60 minutes or less, get a decrypter, whip out your 50 euros and shut up.

Yep, i suppose this was badly needed to be reminded to some people who will never be happy with what they get for free. If the apps they are using doesn't match their expectations I would advise them to build up their own ones which would provide them satisfaction. If they are not capable to, they should start praising the others's great work before complaining.

Oh, shut up, both of you.

All I asked was a simple question - if anyone knew why the DVD2OneX developers decided not to include DeCSS/de-Macrovision decryption (and ripping directly off of DVD, for that matter) in their product. It wasn't nitpicking, it was a simple question - because forty-two does it, so I wondered why DVD2OneX doesn't do it. That's all. Since, to my knowledge, forty-two is the only other Mac-based solution that tries to do everything end-to-end, it was the only comparison point I had.

And did I not praise forty-two before quote-"complaining"-unquote? Sheesh.

[sherry]

Yr answer doesn't call any comment. It speaks for itself.

[cherub]

I see a lot of references on this forum to using Toast to do the final ripping of the DVD disc. Can't I use my Superdrive iDVD to do that job? I just got a new powerbook and I'm trying to learn how to burn DVDs with it.

I got the DVD Back up and it worked great! I've downloaded the DTOX but haven't used it yet. I'm wondering what happens after I get the movie compressed and stripped and whatever. Can I use iDVD to burn it?

Any help will be greatly appreciated. I'm still learning my way around this new 17" monster machine.

[Riot Nrrrd]

I see a lot of references on this forum to using Toast to do the final ripping of the DVD disc. Can't I use my Superdrive iDVD to do that job? I just got a new PowerBook and I'm trying to learn how to burn DVDs with it.

I got the DVD Backup and it worked great! I've downloaded the DTOX but haven't used it yet. I'm wondering what happens after I get the movie compressed and stripped and whatever. Can I use iDVD to burn it?

iDVD is a program to author DVDs. It's similar to DVD2OneX (only) in the sense that the output of the program is something that's ready to be burned onto a DVD-R (or DVD-RW, etc.) disc. To do the actual burning, you either need Toast Titanium (5.2.1 suggested - it enables 2x speed DVD burning on some SuperDrives, whereas Toast 5.1.4 only gave you 1x, and 5.2.1 is more compatible with Mac OS X 10.2.x), or you need to create ISO DVD disc images so that they can be burned by Disk Copy, I think. The problem with trying to burn the output folder from DVD2OneX in Finder is that it'll burn it as a data DVD, not as a DVD format disc.

It's generally assumed that everyone here using DVD2OneX has Toast - because the only Mac program that - apparently - will take the VIDEO_TS folder and create an ISO/UDF format DVD disc image is something called VIDEOTSISO or somesuch, and on another thread in this Forum someone asked where to find this program, and no one's answered that question yet (a Google search on that name turned up nothing. Maybe it's something Kai Cherry wrote himself ... ?). There is a generic UNIX (command line) tool called mkisofs that can do this; it's probably been ported to Mac OS X. And I'm sure there's several Windows programs that can probably do it too. But it's probably best to avoid the problem and just get Toast

[cherub]

Thanks. That's what I needed to know.......that I still need yet ANOTHER piece of software on my journey towards a DVD. <sigh> Oh well, I'm getting there.
At least now I can be sure which Toast to seek.

[cherub]

Toast Titanium.............$100.00 !!!
OUCH! Looks like my burning plans are going to be on hold for some time.

[Riot Nrrrd]

Toast Titanium.............$100.00 !!!
OUCH! Looks like my burning plans are going to be on hold for some time.

You mean you actually pay for software? j/k

[schmeg]

As an alternative to Toast, I believe that you can use MissingMediaBurner to convert your AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS folders into a DVD-flavored disk image that can then be burned to blank media using disk copy.

Give it a whirl: http://homepage.mac.com/rnc/

[galactica]

you can, with MMB.
Your dvd burner will have to be supported by your mac natively, meaning its compatible with apples iApps and disk utility.

If you have a non supported drive, that stillworks in the Mac, it will have to be run by some third party software, like Toast.

Sorry, though it is a little $$ its worth every penny, plus if memory serves i think you can buy it online for less than a boxed version and they give you access to a downloadable .dmg. That way you dont have to wait for your mail ordered or internet orderd cd to arrive and its no different than if you got the box (except the cd is an image on your HD)

http://www.roxio.com/en/products/toast/index.jhtml

enjoy

[Riot Nrrrd]

There is a generic UNIX (command line) tool called mkisofs that can do this; it's probably been ported to Mac OS X.

I just downloaded MissingMediaBurner. It's - apparently - just a GUI veneer over the aforementioned mkisofs and another UNIX command line tool (that's also been ported to Mac OS X), cdrecord.

So, there's your free alternative, cherub. And someone's already done the work to use the free tools with a Mac-friendly veneer over them.

(I'd still get Toast 5.2.1, though )

[cherub]

As an alternative to Toast, I believe that you can use MissingMediaBurner to convert your AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS folders into a DVD-flavored disk image that can then be burned to blank media using disk copy.

Give it a whirl: http://homepage.mac.com/rnc/

Duuuhhhhhhh, there are a lot of choices at this site. Which one do I go for with my Powerbook? "out of date but still working Mac OSX"??? Doesn't seem right, but those are the only ones that say Mac.

Everybody in this room isn't a long time hacker, doncha know? Some of us are still feeling our way around inside the Apple umbrella. We need help.

[Riot Nrrrd]

Give it a whirl: http://homepage.mac.com/rnc/

Duuuhhhhhhh, there are a lot of choices at this site. Which one do I go for with my Powerbook? "out of date but still working Mac OSX"??? Doesn't seem right, but those are the only ones that say Mac.

Ignore all that stuff

Just click on the MissingMediaBurner 0.6.0 link and download that.

You already have the two other pieces of the puzzle - DVD2OneX and DVD Backup 1.3, right? That's the Holy Trinity - rip (DVD Backup 1.3), reduce to a single DVD-R disc (DVD2OneX), and burn (MissingMediaBurner 0.6.0 or Toast Titanium 5.2.1)

It doesn't look like MissingMediaBurner 0.6.0 (or the UNIX tools underneath the hood that it uses) supports your PowerBook Combo drive, so what you do is fire it up, then click on the Video icon, and then from the Choose Function for VIDEO menu, pick Make iso image for DVD. Then drag n' drop your movie folder that you made with DVD2OneX (make sure it's a folder with the movie name in ALL CAPS and underscores instead of spaces, e.g. "A_BEAUTIFUL_MIND", and make sure it contains both the VIDEO_TS folder that DVD2OneX created, and an empty AUDIO_TS folder if it doesn't already exist) onto the area in MissingMediaBurner 0.6.0 where it says Make DVD Disk Image from folders .... Drop a folder containing VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS in Window. Then click Start and away you go ... you should end up with a ISO UDF (DVD file system) format disc image, that you can then burn with Apple's Disk Copy (or burn straight from the Finder) to a DVD-R disc. Good luck!

[Jeffersonian]

Is MissingMediaBurner good? I have Toast, but I am always open to new tools. does it have any extra features?

[galactica]

It depends on what you are doing.
Personally, Toast is terrible for SVCD's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MMB is an all around buner, and it handles the .bin/.cue files very well!!!!!
My player wont play any svcd's unless they are burned with MMB, so it shows me that MMB is doing something properly that toast is not!

Likewise, there is also a program called Firestarter FX, it also works well.
Its still a beta, now up to the 1.0b2 you can get it here:
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/19058

MMB has been around for the longest of the two, and thus has been updated several times and has that as an advantage.

Personally, i recommend MMB.

you can get it at homepage.mac.com/rnc

[cherub]

Just click on the MissingMediaBurner 0.6.0 link and download that.

GOT IT! One step closer to Nirvana.

.... Drop a folder containing VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS in Window[/i]. Then click Start and away you go ...

Ooops, I didn't go anywhere. I have a "Please Select Device & Driver" message and an AppleScript Error message, "The variable theDevice is not defined. (-2753)"

I don't know what to select from the choices under Device. There's DVD-R/RW or combo and DVD-R/RW drive 2. Do I want the or combo????

Under Drivers there's quite a lot of choices and I haven't got clue on what to pick there.

[Riot Nrrrd]

Ooops, I didn't go anywhere. I have a "Please Select Device & Driver" message and an AppleScript Error message, "The variable theDevice is not defined. (-2753)"

I don't know what to select from the choices under Device. There's DVD-R/RW or combo and DVD-R/RW drive 2. Do I want the or combo????

Under Drivers there's quite a lot of choices and I haven't got clue on what to pick there.

That's just MissingMediaBurner being stupid

When you select Make iso image for DVD, MMB should automatically not care about what Device/Driver you have selected (or not selected, as the case may be). Since you're not using the Device or the Driver!

Just choose anything - choose DVD-R/RW or Combo for Device, and don't select anything for Driver. Then clicking on Start will work.

It should bring up a Terminal window and fire up some stuff, culminating in something that looks like this:

cd /Applications/MissingMediaBurner.app/Contents/Resources/bin
./mkisofs -dvd-video -udf -V MY_DVD -o /path/to/your/DVD/folder/MY_DVD.img /path/to/your/DVD/folder/NAME_OF_YOUR_DVD

And off it should go from there ... when it's done, your ISO disc image will be written in the file MY_DVD.img, in the folder that holds your DVD backup that you made in DVD Backup 1.3. e.g., if your backup is in /Users/cherub/Movies/NAME_OF_CHERUB_DVD, the ISO disc image will be put in /Users/cherub/Movies/MY_DVD.img.

Obviously, once it's done, you can rename MY_DVD.img to NAME_OF_CHERUB_DVD.img, and then burn it. One last suggestion - once you have NAME_OF_CHERUB_DVD.img renamed to your liking, select its icon in the Finder and do a Command-I to Get Info on it, and check (enable) the "Locked" checkbox to lock it. You don't want it altered or changed in any way after it's done (before you burn it), and this is the best way to ensure that.

[For other readers] Note: I actually consider the mkisofs command line shown above a bug. i.e., instead of defaulting to creating the ISO disc image with a Volume ID (the -V option, which sets the Volume ID) of MY_DVD and making the output file MY_DVD.img, MissingMediaBurner should default to using the name of the actual movie folder that was dropped on it (e.g., NAME_OF_CHERUB_DVD). Now that I know what it does "underneath the hood", I can run it manually and get what I want. I'm also not sure it should use both the -dvd-video ("Generate DVD-Video compilant UDF file system") and -udf ("Generate UDF file system") options in the same command. Seems like -dvd-video would be sufficient ...

[cherub]

Well, I'm home from a weekender and I still can't seem to make it down the home stretch. I have my files reduced from 33 to 9, (wow)I've got my precious DVD.img file sitting in the finder and when I drop it into disc copy and hit burn, it tells me error 35, failed to burn because image is already in use.

What am I doing wrong? I seem sooooo close.

[Riot Nrrrd]

I've got my precious DVD.img file sitting in the Finder and when I drop it into Disc Copy and hit burn, it tells me error 35, failed to burn because image is already in use.

Try restarting (I know, that seems extreme) and then immediate upon getting back up try the burn (remember to lock that DVD.img file).

If you get error 35 even then, the "already in use" has to be a misnomer.

Another thing to check is, make the the DVD.img image isn't mounted.

The only other thing I can think of to try is to burn directly from the Finder. Make sure your Folder menu bars have a Burn icon in them (do a View->Customize Toolbar... to add one if you don't already have it in there), then just click on the DVD.img file to select it and click on the Burn icon in the menu bar and let it do its thing.

[cherub]

I thought I had it there for about a minute. The machine when through all the motions of burning the MY-DVD file. A MY_DVD.dmg appeared on the desktop. The files took a half hourto burn, whiring away and then it spit out the disc.

Off to the living room and the AIWA DVD player that's attached to the TV and.......nothing. Either disc error or once it just kept spinning endlessly. Back to the computer where every time I put it in it opens disc burn which is the default for putting a blank DVD disc.

It's like it pretended to burn it, but didn't. I'm using blank Optimum DVD-R for General 4.7GB. DVD2onex strips the region code off, could that have something to do with it? It should play anywhere. This is a brandnew 17" Powerbook and now I'm worried that it has a faulty burner in it. (Burns CDs just fine)

Any ideas on why it would go through all the motions of burning and then spit out a blank disc?

[Pretzel]

I have had good results with burning the VIDEO_TS produced by DTOX but I have had a few hiccups

I note that it sometimes has problem with complex motion menus when using the Disc Copy mode - but essentially playable

Have noticed that although using the DTOX default OUTPUT: 4472 setting - in most cases the VIDEO_TS folder is 4360MB that will burn either with Toast or MMB - BUT occasionally it with produce a 4370+ file which Toast will fit/burn but the final DVD-R will not play

So I suggest you Get Info(Command+I) on the Video_TS folder and ensure it is not above 4360MB and the suggestion to lock the file prior to using MMB or Toast is a good idea IMO - wish I had

If the Folder is over that limit - redo the DTOX process using OUTPUT: User Defined 4444 - not 4472

hth

[cherub]

It says size: 4.36 GB
That shoud fit on the standard 4.7GB dick, shouldn't it?

[Pretzel]

Yes it should

I am no expert on this - only trial and error - this end!

Maybe try a slower burn rate 1X or 2X and if using Toast in Preferences point the Disk Cache to plenty of Hard Drive space

Apart from that - I have no other suggestions apart from using RW media until you figure it out

Good Luck!