Nero 5.5 fast forward problem with SVCD

[JamieV]

SVCDs burned with Nero 5.5 (latest) won't fast forward. I tried this site's suggested SCANDATA.DAT in the EXT dir with no success. I create the SVCD compliant MPEG with the latest TMPGEnc and they burn and play properly with NTI CDMaker but that demo expired, so now I have the latest Nero. I also tried creating a BIN with VCDImagerGUI, but Nero sees the 600MB BIN as being almost 1.2GB so it can't fit on a CDR. Any ideas?

[EN]

I have Nero 5.5 and made a test SVCD today and it fast fowards. I played it on a Apex-3201 and I also added the .dat to the ext folder.

EN

[Hollywood004738]

If you're using nero you can do what I did.
open burn image and select your .bin file.
(Nero doesn't read cue files correctly)

a foreign image box will appear, select disk at once and burn...
My disc worked fine

[SlamminMOFO]

JamieV, when you made your scandat.dat file, did you remember to NOT hit return on your text editor before saving??

I used this method also with nero and it FF/FR fine.



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: SlamminMOFO on 2001-09-15 00:42:41 ]</font>

[JamieV]

I used Nero 5.5.4.0 to burn the SVCD and play it on an Apex-500W. It tried many versions of scandata.dat in the EXT dir. First I used the unaltered file downloaded from this site. Then I edited in notepad to make all caps and no CR. Still at a loss. Also, Nero sees VCDImager BINs as double size. I uninstalled, then reinstalled Nero -same problems. My system is WinMe on a P3-550, Asus P3B-F(440BX, non-VIA chipset), 256MB RAM, 80GB EIDE, HP8100i burner.

[ejai]

JamieV, I understand your pain. I to have been living the same nightmare you are going through, but using the Apex 600 DVD player. I tried all the things you listed and some others as well to no avail. I've tried everything I could think of and still the problem exsists. I'm searching for an answer too.

ejai

[UsualNoise]

I never got Nero to generate a FF/REWindable disc for my Apex 500-W either. In fact, I reinstalled an older version of Nero specifically because of that double-size bin problem (it only happens with latest versions, I think).

To solve this problem, I switched from VCDImagerGUI to TSCV (or VCDImagerEasy, although I encountered other problems with this program). The bin/cue generated from TSCV was then burned with Nero (older version) and played fine on the Apex, with chapters & FF/REW as well (you don't have to manually add scandata.dat, assuming you multiplexed with bbMPEG or something that adds the SVCD scan offsets). Hope that helps.

[Vejita-sama]

For most people you can fix this by

1) Muxing w/ bbMPEG (if necessary first demux)
2) Use VCDImager (w/ a gui if necessary) to generate a bin/cue and burn that.

[JamieV]

I was just able to get a work-around from the advice of Hollywood004738. I used VCDImager first, then told Nero to look at the bin directly, not the cue file, as this site instructs. It still took a couple tries -had to select Data Mode 2, and it had to be a CDR, not a CDRW (I had gotten tired of wasting CDRs.)
I still want Nero 5.5 to work though. There are enough steps already without adding VCDImager to the mix. 1-capture VHS to AVI with AsusLive. 2-Clip AVI and/or sync audio with VirtualDub. 3-AVI to MPEG with TMPGEnc. 4-MPEG to BIN with VCDImager. 5-BIN to SVCD with Nero. I fear I'll go broke when the 30 day evals run out! If one product could do this procedure I'd gladly shell out $50-$100 bucks, but not for each component. And some, like NTI CD Maker want $79 just for thier little slice. Software companies would make alot more money if they only charged $19.99 -People would take a chance on more SW and NEVER be lured by the temptation of potentially virus-infected cracks or wares. $20 SW prices would make all the bugs alot easier to swallow as well, and leave an extra twenty to send the freeware developers to keep that good stuff flowing too!

[hvr]

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I was just able to get a work-around from the advice of Hollywood004738. I used VCDImager first, then told Nero to look at the bin directly, not the cue file, as this site instructs. It still took a couple tries -had to select Data Mode 2, and it had to be a CDR, not a CDRW (I had gotten tired of wasting CDRs.)</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR></TABLE>

letting nero burn the .bin file directly instead of the .cue file causes you to lose the TOC entry information;
letting nero burn the .cue file creates a screwed up cd, as it leaves out 150 sector somewhere in the middle of the disc...

this actually should tell you, that nero is no good with BIN/CUE files... maybe they'll fix that sometime... (but I wouldn't rely on it, since this bug has been around since the early 5.x...)

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well, judging from your desire to get rid of vcdimager, you actually wouldn't even think about supporting vcdimager
(which is btw one of the very few _really_ free software tools... (which means, that the source code is available as well for others to take advantage of...) as opposed to those just freeware tools, which just means, that the binaries are available...)

many software companies make their money by selling updates and support... it's very seldom seeing a company which has a very good product regarded as unbeatable, and at the same time selling it at a reasonable price while making good profits...

ps: forget about the perfect tool which incorporates everything in a perfect manner (you either do many things, but badly -- or you do one thing and as good as you can...); component based approaches are they way to go; it's only a shame that the stuff available is either too high priced or doesn't fit well into a framework...

[t1955feb]

Fast foreward is a problem from the dvd player itself.
It has nothing to do with Nero.
I had a philips 711 and it's playing my svcd's not good.
Now i have a Finlux widescreen tv with a buildt in dvd player and my svcd's are working great.

[JamieV]

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On 2001-09-16 10:44:11, t1955feb wrote:
Fast foreward is a problem from the dvd player itself.
It has nothing to do with Nero.
I had a philips 711 and it's playing my svcd's not good.
Now i have a Finlux widescreen tv with a buildt in dvd player and my svcd's are working great.
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My Apex500w can FFWD SCVDs burned with NTI CDMaker2000, but that eval ran out and I am trying Nero, which cannot make discs that FFWD in my Apex. I want to find a product that works properly before buying it. NTI was $79 and did the job OK, but hung my PC alot. Nero doesn't hang my PC but has the FFWD problem. Can anyone recommend the best SVCD burning software? (maybe I should start a new thread with that question)

[JamieV]

<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font size=-1>Quote:</font><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE=-1><BLOCKQUOTE>
letting nero burn the .bin file directly instead of the .cue file causes you to lose the TOC entry information;
letting nero burn the .cue file creates a screwed up cd, as it leaves out 150 sector somewhere in the middle of the disc...
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So Nero botches BIN burning and can't burn SVCD FFWD. Can you recommend something? I want to choose well before buying.

[JamieV]

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well, judging from your desire to get rid of vcdimager, you actually wouldn't even think about supporting vcdimager
(which is btw one of the very few _really_ free software tools...
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I don't necessarily want to rid myself of vcdimager -I really appreciate the truly free stuff- but I'd gladly pay to reduce the 5 steps with 5 different products (many don't do what they say they do) just to accomplish one job. The days I spent testing these is frustrating. And I'm a computer professional, so I can't imagine the avg consumer who expects to buy a PC and do what the ads say they can. Just a little moaning about the high price of shoddy SW...

[ejai]

Just recently I was unable to create a satisfactory SVCD that would work on my DVD player. The disk had problems playing on other DVD players as well. The fast forward function wouldn't operate properly, with different results on other players. After getting to the point of giving up I tried the Ulead Plugin and all my problems were solved. All the functions worked with no kinks on my player and my other friend's players.

This plugin reminds me of Spruce in it's operation, I was able to create menus and chapters without reading a manual within 5 minutes. I kid you not this was the answer to my prayers.

This plugin also writes to a DVD-R and can create menus and chapters for VCD. For those of you who are tired to hit and miss give this Plugin a chance.

The only set back is that you need to have Media Studio Pro or Video Studio for the Plugin to operate.

ejai

[acenuts]

To create a perfect SVCD that FF/RW:

1. Create Mpeg.
2. Use VCDImager
3. Burn with CDRwin (or CDRDAO).

Notes:
Using VCDImager Easy (the GUI for VCDImager) cuts off the last 1-2 seconds of the clip unless you change the track lead off, gap , whatever-values (I don't know the correct values yet).

IF you use VCDImager in a dos prompt w/ the correct parameters you can create PERFECT SVCDs.

It's not the DVD players fault, its the authoring.

[acenuts]

Nero's only good for VCD's.

[JamieV]

Thank you Acenuts!! I tried the new VCDImagerEasy package that also invokes the CDRDAO burn automatically and it creates SVCDs perfectly! FFWD no problem and it also let's me easily create chapters. This program blows away Nero!

I am converting my son's 30min video tapes, so it is just a single track and I don't notice if the last 2 seconds are cut. Thanks again acenuts!!

[acenuts]

No prob =).

[jazzer]

For JamieV,

I think I know why you're having the FF/RW problem with Nero 5.5.4.0. This version already has a SCANDATA.DAT file in the EXT folder. It will NOT let you replace it as far as I know and the one that is there will not work properly with Apex FF/RW. If you downgrade back to 5.5.3.5 you should be able to do it.

However, I believe Nero has other issues with SVCDs -- others will need to confirm it but has anyone noticed flickering and distortion after you get a ways into the disc -- say 30 minutes or so or maybe after several chapters?