AACS DRM: Cracked Already?

[gll99]

First on topic, I'm glad this guy is for real and it seemed like he really had found a way to copy the movie when I first read about it.

Now my apologies to Specialist,

It seems that eventually we discuss copyright in general and legalities in any threads related to drm cracking / backing up discs etc...

Imagine such laws expanding to hard goods? You think that's not possible because they are not the same. In many ways it already exists they just haven't pushed it to the same extremes as the entertainment industry. There is really little to stop them if that was ever their ultimate goal. I think the same rights would apply to them

Example of a car. If a DVD needs to be protected why not a car? Ford doesn't mind if I post pictures of my new car on my site and brag about it. Hey it's free advertising. Now imagine I post pictures and knock the product to hell. Can they stop me from posting the pics. After all it is a copyright design. I bought the vehicle and not the rights to the image. I'm sure they would be all over me if anyone paid attention.
Carry this a bit further, Ford owns the design of my car and each new car made is a little copy of the original prototype design (sound familiar?) so my car is a copy of the original concept vehicle (a work of art / intellectual property). One day, Ford says I cannot use anything but Ford parts to fix their work of art. In fact I cannot modify it since it is their intellectual property. If I can't modify the content of a DVD for personal use why the heck should I be allowed to modify one of their vehicles at all. When it breaks after the warranty just buy a new one or buy replacement insurance from them. Anything else is not permissible. The copyright law of course is on their side. In 1000 years or so when product replicators become mainstream any Tom Dick and Harry could bypass copy protection and replicate their own Ford flying car (only as a backup of course ). Why buy a safety one from the factory? In fact some unscrupulous scoundrels will even copy some rental Fords instead of buying one of their own. That is why everything will be just like the lowly DVD one day and all intellectual property must be protected at all cost.

Don't buy a Ford you say. GM, Toyota etc... what do you think they are doing any less than Ford?
Then walk you say. Sorry the car companies bought all the rights to shoes because they competed with their products and closed all the factories and stores. Walking has been banned and punishable by 20 years working in a car factory for the first offence.

D@mnit!!! We should have said something 1000 years ago when it all started and they told us if you don't like it don't buy a DVD, HD/DVD or Blu-ray.

btw) You don't want to hear about the copyright laws on genetically modified food, drink and yes... babies (Is there any other kind in this happy new year of 3007?)

2nd btw) Product replicators would never be a good seller. Who would be stupid enough to buy more than 2?

[thecoalman]

Imagine such laws expanding to hard goods?

You can buy a bananna but good luck making a verbatim copy of it.... Most goods are consumed once, you are correct though printer cartridges come to mind. I know car manufacturers recently attempted to make aftermarket parts illegal but failed. I would imagine if they had succeeded the consumer backlash would have benn quite profound, any car manufacturer not enforcing that law would make a fortune. I'm suprised none of the mass media companies hasn't attempted the same thing and provide non protected content. They know that all the protection is failing miserably and as the saying goes if you can't beat them join them I'd imagine they are all in the same boat and have a gentlemans agreement not to offer unprotected media. It would only take one comapny however and they would all have to follow suit.

Now imagine I post pictures and knock the product to hell. Can they stop me from posting the pics. After all it is a copyright design. I bought the vehicle and not the rights to the image.

I'd imagine that would fall under fair use.

[lacywest]

Good Reading ... but I'm still satisfied watching normal DVD movies.

[yoda313]

Good Reading ... but I'm still satisfied watching normal DVD movies.

The only troubling thought is if and when hollywood decides to pull the plug on dvd. Then I think they might have a consumer revolt if they drop selling movies on dvd. Dvd is so permeated right now that everything seems to be able to play dvd if its a disc based player. To force a move to hd would be incredibly stupid but it would the only way they would get the "average joe" to think about buying hddvd or bluray.

THink about it - if you can't buy the latest harry potter movie or action movie you want on dvd anymore you would be in a sense - forced to upgrage to get the movie you want.

That is a scary thought and they could decide to do it if they really want to force the high def issue.

[Conquest10]

Its not really that scary. All the next-gen players can play DVD just fine. So your collection will still work. I think prices will come down to DVD levels way before they decide to cut off DVD. Then it won't be much of a hassle and will make more sense to go HD than stay with DVD. Look at how fast DVD burner prices dropped. It went from $700 to $200 in like 9 months.

[DereX888]

I've argued with Adam a lot in the past, and he never convinced me, because... well, THE LAWS ITSELF DO CHANGE, often faster than a generations change.
Do I have to remind some of you there in USA, that just 100 years ago it was LEGAL to buy, sell, breed, kill and do-whatever-you-wanted-to-do to another human being with a 'legal status' of a slave? It was a law too.
So lets not make so much fuss about current 'sick laws' that will be gone most likely within our generation's time.
Instead, ask yourself how can you force your own government to stop wasting your own tax money for supporting selected groups of other citizens (i.e. shareholders of MPAA or RIAA members)?
Why your government (that means YOU indirectly) should support some elitist tiny portion of your society ("artists") but not support i.e. fishermen, or freaking janitors? What makes them so special that you - through appointed by majority of yous govt - spend *public* time, money and resources to protect *private* interests of this tiny group of people in your country?
Thats the real problem with such laws no one wants to talk about: they give those selected groups right to use government resources for their own interests.
I dont advocate piracy here, Im simply against abuse of democracy.
When governments are by law forced to protect interests of some "priviledged ones", its not democracy anymore.


Yes, F**K MPAA, RIAA etc - they are equivalent of mob/mafia


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[thecoalman]

When governments are by law forced to protect interests of some "priviledged ones", its not democracy anymore.

Dude you're so far off base it isn't even funny, a democracy is based on a free market. You're suggesting artists be forced to work under conditions set by someone else, that is about as far away from democracy as you can get.

[mats.hogberg]

@all: Keep this thread clean - we're verging (if not crossing) on politics, which isn't OK according to site rules. Fair warning.
There are other sites for venting political issues.

/Mats

[SatStorm]

IMO, the future of digital video won't be on any kind of discs. Memory sticks or something similar is the future.

Latest LCD/Plasma TVs have memory interfaces. For example, I can plug a USB memory stick on my Samsung LE40M71B and start watching photos and to listen mp3s. So watching mpeg's is not so far away as a technology...

Just imagine: Something similar to todays USB memory sticks: you just plug in and watch!

By the time bluRay/HDDVD turns mainstream, those solutions gonna be mainstream too...

[Conquest10]

I'm thinking the future will be something like that SaStorm. The problem right now is that stuff like the USB sticks are really, really expensive for what you get (and get ridiculously expensive the larger the capacity compared to what regular drives cost).

I think it'll be more like the tv or the non-Apple equivalents that will become popular. As more and more people get digital cable and dvrs, they will get accustomed to the interface where you just go into a menu and choose the video you want to watch.

[Specialist]

IMO, the future of digital video won't be on any kind of discs. Memory sticks or something similar is the future.

Latest LCD/Plasma TVs have memory interfaces. For example, I can plug a USB memory stick on my Samsung LE40M71B and start watching photos and to listen mp3s. So watching mpeg's is not so far away as a technology...

Just imagine: Something similar to todays USB memory sticks: you just plug in and watch!

By the time bluRay/HDDVD turns mainstream, those solutions gonna be mainstream too...

I'm beginning to believe this is 100% true.

"Discs" are losing to "disks."

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

[DereX888]

IMO, the future of digital video won't be on any kind of discs. Memory sticks or something similar is the future.

Latest LCD/Plasma TVs have memory interfaces. For example, I can plug a USB memory stick on my Samsung LE40M71B and start watching photos and to listen mp3s. So watching mpeg's is not so far away as a technology...

Just imagine: Something similar to todays USB memory sticks: you just plug in and watch!

By the time bluRay/HDDVD turns mainstream, those solutions gonna be mainstream too...

well, it exists for few years already - maybe not a mainstream here in North America, but certainly on all models sold I've seen in China and Hong Kong... actually even some of my older dvd players have SD/MMC slots and play all sort of files from memory cards; others have usb/firewire connectors too, although i havent try anything else but digital cameras through these connectors, but i think it should work wit i.e. portable hdd (thus any portable memory with usb interface ought to work as well imho)

and yeah, my not-so-new plasma tv tuner box have card slot as well - but it plays jpegs only though :/


so, I agree completely with you - future is in those small (not neccessarily flash-type) memory cards.

Everytime I look at DVD-Rs and then on the almost same capacity SD cards for the phone I think the same - discs are so outdated

[painkiller]

Discless. (I yearn to be.)

I bought myself a Christmas toy. A solid state video/audio/mp3 recorder player from Best Buy.

Brand name AIPTEK - for around $100.

Records to SD memory cards. With a 2GB card, it will record ASF VGA video files to around 90 minutes or better.

Quality. So so.

But, I like it. I can take still pics with it, too.
Lousy for evening & low lite conditions, but real good in daylight.

Okay for right now.