Hi... I have tried Avidemux for the job, flagged the interlaced lossless AVI input footage as interlaced in Avidemux's x264 configuration... but the MediaInfo showed the MP4 output was progressive afterwards. Please tell me if you need any other info on the specific case. Or just to try another software maybe?
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We would certainly like to see that MediaInfo report. Best in full mode which describes a possibly used interlacing mode more detailed.
The x264 encoder is capable of encoding video in interlaced mode, it uses the MBAFF method. Avidemux may not reveal many details about conversion interna (except it writes a log file, what I don't know), we can only hope that it stores the x264 core parameter set in the video stream so MediaInfo can quote that.
But if you use a converter which uses the separate x264 CLI encoder, it may log its full command line string as well. MeGUI / StaxRip / Hybrid may do that.
Alternatively, you could even use VirtualDub2 as a most simple application. -
Works here:
Code:Video ID : 1 Format : AVC Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec Format profile : High@L3 Format settings, CABAC : Yes Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames Codec ID : avc1 Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding Duration : 3 min 5 s Bit rate : 1 722 kb/s Width : 720 pixels Height : 480 pixels Display aspect ratio : 4:3 Original display aspect ratio : 3:2 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS Standard : NTSC Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : MBAFF Scan type, store method : Interleaved fields Scan order : Top Field First Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.166 Stream size : 38.1 MiB (93%) Writing library : x264 core 152 r2854 e9a5903 Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=hex / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=6 / lookahead_threads=1 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=tff / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=0 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=20.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
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here it is...
AVI info (input file):
Code:General Complete name : H:\5.avi Format : AVI Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave Format profile : OpenDML File size : 48.0 GiB Duration : 2 h 4 min Overall bit rate : 55.3 Mb/s Writing library : VirtualDub build 35491/release Video ID : 0 Format : HuffYUV Format version : Version 2 Codec ID : HFYU Duration : 2 h 4 min Bit rate : 53.8 Mb/s Width : 720 pixels Height : 576 pixels Display aspect ratio : 5:4 Frame rate : 25.000 FPS Standard : PAL Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Interlaced Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 5.187 Stream size : 46.6 GiB (97%) Audio ID : 1 Format : PCM Format settings : Little / Signed Codec ID : 1 Duration : 2 h 4 min Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 1 536 kb/s Channel(s) : 2 channels Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Bit depth : 16 bits Stream size : 1.33 GiB (3%) Alignment : Aligned on interleaves Interleave, duration : 40 ms (1.00 video frame) Interleave, preload duratio : 500 ms
Code:General Complete name : H:\5.mp4 Format : MPEG-4 Format profile : Base Media Codec ID : isom (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41) File size : 1.19 GiB Duration : 2 h 4 min Overall bit rate mode : Variable Overall bit rate : 1 371 kb/s Writing application : Lavf58.20.100 Video ID : 1 Format : AVC Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec Format profile : Baseline@L3 Format settings : 5 Ref Frames Format settings, CABAC : No Format settings, Reference : 5 frames Codec ID : avc1 Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding Duration : 2 h 4 min Bit rate : 788 kb/s Width : 720 pixels Height : 576 pixels Display aspect ratio : 4:3 Original display aspect rat : 5:4 Frame rate mode : Variable Frame rate : 25.000 FPS Minimum frame rate : 24.975 FPS Maximum frame rate : 25.025 FPS Standard : PAL Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.076 Stream size : 701 MiB (58%) Writing library : x264 core 146 r2538 121396c Encoding settings : cabac=0 / ref=5 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x1:0x111 / me=umh / subme=8 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=8 / lookahead_threads=8 / sliced_threads=1 / slices=8 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=0 / weightp=0 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc=2pass / mbtree=0 / bitrate=788 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00 Codec configuration box : avcC Audio ID : 2 Format : AAC LC Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity Codec ID : mp4a-40-2 Duration : 2 h 4 min Bit rate mode : Variable Bit rate : 576 kb/s Maximum bit rate : 640 kb/s Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel layout : L R Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Frame rate : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF) Compression mode : Lossy Stream size : 512 MiB (42%) Default : Yes Alternate group : 1
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Apparently you didn't specify interlaced. interlaced=tff or bff is not in your x264 encoder settings metadata like it is in mine.
Even if you fix that avidemux will screw up your colors. I wouldn't use it. -
Thanks.. what do you suggest anyway? I need to have a software that has the option to set the enforced DAR for MP4/x264 and Avidemux has it (see the pic below). That was the only reason I ended up using it, for any other tool I've checked for the option, it's not (visually) present (VidCoder, Handbrake and more than half a dozen of others). Obviously I'm trying to find something that works with no need to use command line-like parameters.
Last edited by kodec; 13th Jun 2019 at 13:28. Reason: pic change
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I just tested with RipBot264 and it can do it:
Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4
Format settings : CABAC / 3 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, RefFrames : 3 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 20 s 895 ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 1 061 kb/s
Maximum bit rate : 25.0 Mb/s
Width : 704 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Original display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : MBAFF
Scan type, store method : Interleaved fields
Scan order : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.131
Stream size : 2.64 MiB (100%)
Title : Test
Writing library : x264 core 142 r2479 dd79a61
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=12 / lookahead_threads=2 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=tff / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=0 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=18.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / vbv_maxrate=25000 / vbv_bufsize=25000 / crf_max=0.0 / nal_hrd=vbr / filler=0 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Encoded date : UTC 2019-06-13 18:55:31
Tagged date : UTC 2019-06-13 18:55:32
The only change from my usual settings was to specify interlaced: -
Thanks manono, gonna try it now. Meanwhile I also tried TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works (same input file) and thought it was excellent cause it had everything to set as I wanted, but alas the info file shows something unbelievable, that the output is NTSC and PAL now at the same moment (it is PAL avi, as seen in the post above)... oh dear. Browsing thru the app's settings to no avail, can't see anything where it could possibly have gone wrong.
Code:General Complete name : H:\5.mp4 Format : MPEG-4 Format profile : Base Media / Version 2 Codec ID : mp42 (mp42/isom/avc1) File size : 1.37 GiB Duration : 2 h 4 min Overall bit rate mode : Variable Overall bit rate : 1 576 kb/s Writing application : TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works 5 Version. 5.0.6.38 Video ID : 2 Format : AVC Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec Format profile : Main@L3 Format settings : CABAC / 3 Ref Frames Format settings, CABAC : Yes Format settings, Reference : 3 frames Codec ID : avc1 Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding Duration : 2 h 4 min Bit rate mode : Variable Bit rate : 1 000 kb/s Maximum bit rate : 2 000 kb/s Width : 720 pixels Height : 576 pixels Display aspect ratio : 4:3 Original display aspect rat : 4:3 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 25.000 FPS Standard : NTSC Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : MBAFF Scan type, store method : Interleaved fields Scan order : Top Field First Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.096 Stream size : 885 MiB (63%) Writing library : x264 core 114 Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x1:0x111 / me=hex / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-4 / threads=12 / sliced_threads=0 / slices=1 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=tff / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=0 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=1000 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=2000 / vbv_bufsize=1998 / nal_hrd=vbr / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00 Color range : Limited Color primaries : BT.601 PAL Transfer characteristics : BT.470 System B/G Matrix coefficients : BT.470 System B/G Codec configuration box : avcC Audio ID : 1 Format : AAC LC Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity Codec ID : mp4a-40-2 Duration : 2 h 4 min Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 576 kb/s Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel layout : L R Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Frame rate : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF) Compression mode : Lossy Stream size : 512 MiB (37%)
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I haven't a clue. My Lagarith AVI was YY12 already. I opened an AviSynth script of a film I had been working on and trimmed off 500 frames, just to test if it would encode as interlaced and it does. I'd do the ConvertTo in the script if needed. Virtually all my stuff is black and white anyway. The x264 settings are exposed for those that want to edit them themselves.
I handle all my audio separately and open it in the audio window. You could try the same thing - demuxing it and opening it separately from the video. If there's a problem with the program you might ask the developer at Doom9. I don't think he visits here often.
https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=127611Last edited by manono; 13th Jun 2019 at 18:19.
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Just for the info, I have tried about two dozens of tools last couple of days and the only two that have all the options to set and that work are Avidemux and autox264, in case anyone will need it for this exact thing. Jagabo was right, Avidemux works, didn't set it right the first time around, and the colours look the same to me afterwards.
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First answer you got, there was four of them recommended.
They are x264 encoder based and if there is no dedicated button for interlaced/progressive, you can always put :
--tff
or
--bff
where you can add additional commands, similar like in that avidemux -
Neither of those first worked obviously. I have tried about 20 in total as mentioned already. Prolly everything from the dedicated software page section here with the rating over 7 or 8. Either they can't force the DAR even if you can add the parameter to counter the progressive output, or they can force the DAR but have no advanced option to add the field command at all, or just mess things up. Out all of the tools I've tried only Avidemux and autox264 work for this matter and I recommend them for this job. I could have kept the list and published what didn't work and why but it's too late now, deleted all from the PC already.
Last edited by kodec; 15th Jun 2019 at 15:39.
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No, they work, they all have advanced options, setting interlaced encodings or setting SAR for a video stream, Ripbot, Staxrip, VirtualDub2 and pretty sure Hybrid as well
In advanced sections as for "enforcing DAR". You cannot enforce DAR in a stream, you are enforcing SAR if encoding anamorphic video, that is how it operates in "manual mode", which is a fraction that multiplies fraction of your resolution and it gives you DAR while playing that stream on screen, for example:
720/576 x SAR = DAR
720/576 x 16/15 = 4/3 = 1.333
So you'd add SAR in advanced x264 options as: --sar 16:15 , it is direct command line option with a argument
Also x264 encoder (all above GUI's work with that one) has --tff or --bff option in advanced section for x264 encoder.
MeGui has a dedicated button in settings for interlaced encoding and to set correct DAR it tries to figure out SAR itself. Which should not be a problem for 720x576.
What could be done , is simple:
I have this GUI encoder, how do I set up interlaced encoding or how do I force aspect ratio to have DAR xy while previewing and also provide your video resolution you had.
Then you'd get answer for particular recommended software.
As a note, you set these for video stream, in x264 video settings, NOT to mp4 muxer. -
You like flogging a dead horse don't you. Earlier I've mention to be looking for a tool with not a steep learning curve that does exactly that, if any. And have found two, thank you very much.
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Look for large motions of highly saturated colors. Here's an example from AviDemux:
[Attachment 49387 - Click to enlarge]
The red in his hair is a blend of where it is in the current frame and where it was in the previous frame. -
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Last edited by kodec; 1st Jul 2019 at 10:40.
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