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    Hello everybody!
    I'm looking for a camcorder that would shoot quality videos, like the ones in New World Disorder and all those cool Newschool Ski movies. I already have a Sony HDRSR11, with its HD video and pumped up FPS, but it has a hard drive, i can't jump from a big air with my friend cause the video is all distorted, i want to shoot like Jon Hatveit! I know that Mini DV is my best bet, but i need the best quality for the best price, and i don't understand how are they able to slow the video so much and still get stable frame rate.
    Thank you in advance guys!
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    Low End: Canon HV40 - $850
    Middle: Panasonic DMC-GH1 - $1500
    Higher End: Canon 5DmkII - $3500
    Very High: Red - $20,000

    Every one of the cameras above has advantages and disadvantages. There's no perfect camera.

    Plus you need a way to stabilize the image from big bumps so it doesn't turn into jello (rolling shutter effect). Also Neutral Density filters for very sunny days

    Keeping the image steady is just as important as the camera, even more so. I would look at a low cost Steadytracker stabilizer since you can ski with it and it doesn't require a lot of practice to learn.

    http://www.cobracraneusa.com/Camera-Stabilizers.html


    Here's 120fps video from the RED camera. You can see how beautiful the slow motion is. At 120 fps you can capture a lot of information.

    http://www.vimeo.com/1340684

    This video below is great. It uses the $3500 5DmkII, using a stick mounted monopod stabilizer and a 15mm fisheye lens. Appropriate lens and fantastic stabilization is what makes this video so good.

    http://vimeo.com/3155182

    The Panasonic is $1500 and will shoot 50/60fps at 720p and 25/29.7fps at 1080i

    Demo of the GH1
    http://vimeo.com/groups/gh1/videos/4714724
    "Quality is cool, but don't forget... Content is King!"
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  3. Originally Posted by Maralez
    i don't understand how are they able to slow the video so much and still get stable frame rate.
    They are probably using special high speed cameras that shoot 100 fps or more. Like these:
    http://www.visionresearch.com/
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    Thanks a lot guys,esp. Soopafresh, but i was thinking in terms of camcorders, not photo cameras. Maybe you have a suggestion how i should render a 30fps shot slowed down to 50% velocity and make it look as smooth as possible?I use Sony Vegas by the way,cause MTS files wreck havoc in anything else.
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  5. Originally Posted by Maralez
    Maybe you have a suggestion how i should render a 30fps shot slowed down to 50% velocity and make it look as smooth as possible?
    Shoot 30i, use a smart BOB deinterlacer, and set the frame rate to 30 fps.
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    Shoot 30i, use a smart BOB deinterlacer, and set the frame rate to 30 fps.[/quote]
    Could someone please explain this?))))
    One more question,when i render a project in Sony vegas,does anyone know the best format (size and quality wise)? I shoot in full HD-1920-1080, and my videos, when i render them in SD end up very blurry. I need a good codec, preferably for avi files, but there are so many, i don't know which one to choose.
    Thank you very much
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    And check this one out: Panasonic HVX200, is it any good?
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  8. Originally Posted by Maralez
    Shoot 30i, use a smart BOB deinterlacer, and set the frame rate to 30 fps.
    Could someone please explain this?))))
    In a 30i frame (marketing has started calling this 60i) each frame contains two half pictures, called fields, take an 1/60 second intervals. One field is in all the even numbered scanlines, one in all the odd numbered scanlines. When watched on a interlaced TV you see one one field at a time, in sequence. Ie you see 60 fields per second, not 30 frames per second.

    A dumb bob simply separates the two fields and interpolates the missing lines leaving you with 60 full frames per second. But this leaves sharp horizontal edges bouncing up and down by one scanline (hence the name "bob"). A smart bob analyzes the the frame, or even several frames, and decides which parts of the frame don't need to be deinterlaced, or can fill in with data from adjacent frames.

    After bobbing you just tell the editor to assume the frame rate is 30 fps, not 60 fps. This leaves you with slow motion video running at half speed.

    Here's a site that describes interlacing and deinterlacing:

    http://www.100fps.com/

    Here's a sample video that shows some of the more advanced deinterlacers with a very challenging source:

    https://forum.videohelp.com/images/guides/p1934885/stockholma_0-520_q3_yadif_mvbobmod_t...mca4_tdtmm.avi

    Originally Posted by Maralez
    One more question,when i render a project in Sony vegas,does anyone know the best format (size and quality wise)? I shoot in full HD-1920-1080, and my videos, when i render them in SD end up very blurry. I need a good codec, preferably for avi files, but there are so many, i don't know which one to choose.
    The problem may not be the coded used. It may be that your video was improperly deinterlaced before encoding. One of the simplest deinteracing techniques that many programs use is to simply blur the two fields together. This leaves you with a blurry image with small motions, double exposures with large motions.

    What codec you use depends on what you plan to do with the video. If it's just for watching Divx or Xvid is a good choice. If you plan on editing it further DV is a good choice. Lagarith or HuffYUV (lossless compression but very big files) are even better.
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    Originally Posted by Maralez
    And check this one out: Panasonic HVX200, is it any good?
    Yeah, it's great. Is it appropriate for the ski slopes? Too big and heavy. Wait till you're out there for an hour and the fatigue sets in.
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    Thank you very much guys!You are awesome!
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