How to force Sony Architect Studio 5 not to re-render the video

[rcubed]

Hi all,
I finally figured out how to get TMPGenc Authoring Works 5 to not re-render the MeGUI mp4 video when producing a Blu-ray dvd. (remux with tsMuxer to .m2ts output for importing). When doing the remuxing with tsMuxer it produces the following two entries in the log file:

H.264 stream does not contain fps field. Muxing fps=23.976
B-pyramid level 1 detected. Shift DTS to 2 frames

Are there some parameters that should be adjusted in MeGUI to avoid this, or additional commands added to the string that MeGUI creates? If so how to accomplish this? Or can it be ignored? The one that troubles me most is the B-pyramid---- what is actually going on?

I have experimented with specifying max frames to 48 and min frames to 23. This was suggested in another thread. All the other parameters in MeGUI are the bluray profile defaults.

Does anyone know how to get Sony Architect Studio 5 not to re-render the video when producing a Blu-ray.

The presets in Sony allow you to chose an AVCHD format on the properties page, but you have to pick a bits/sec number using a slider. Even if that matches the original bit rate it still wants to re-render. I would like to know how prevent it from re-rendering the video stream.

Thanks again for the help in the other recent thread I posted. I'm at least making progress. Since I'm and "old fart" it's hard to teach me new tricks. As a plaque in my computer room says "Old age is not for sissies....". I had pretty well gotten a handle on regular DVD authoring, but BR seems to be a whole new ball of wax and I don't learn as fast as I used to.

I appreciate any info anyone can supply, I appreciate you taking the time to help.

rcubed

[vkmast]

Does anyone know how to get Sony Architect Studio 5 not to re-render the video when producing a Blu-ray.
The presets in Sony allow you to chose an AVCHD format on the properties page, but you have to pick a bits/sec number using a slider. Even if that matches the original bit rate it still wants to re-render. I would like to know how prevent it from re-rendering the video stream.

Does the Optimize Disc dialog give you any "Reasons for required recompression"?
Any help from "Media File Settings for Blu-ray Disc Projects" in DVD AS 5 online Help?

[poisondeathray]

Are there some parameters that should be adjusted in MeGUI to avoid this, or additional commands added to the string that MeGUI creates? If so how to accomplish this? Or can it be ignored? The one that troubles me most is the B-pyramid---- what is actually going on?

I have experimented with specifying max frames to 48 and min frames to 23. This was suggested in another thread. All the other parameters in MeGUI are the bluray profile defaults.

Does anyone know how to get Sony Architect Studio 5 not to re-render the video when producing a Blu-ray.

For x264, you use the blu-ray compatible settings , and raw avc (no container, not MP4) . It's important to include --sar 1:1 (not leave it undefined) . I don't know if megui has it's profiles updated (a while back some of them weren't, and produced compatibility issues) .

b-pyramid allows bframes to be used as references, in general it is a good idea for compression, and compatible with blu-ray, but must be set to --b-pyramid strict. Some people disable it because some older blu-ray chipsets have problems with it

https://sites.google.com/site/x264bluray/home


DVDA 's muxer won't work with interlaced AVC from x264, only progressive

[rcubed]

poisondeathray, vkmast,
Thank you for being patient and taking the time to respond. I will check out the links. I'll also check the SAR setting in MeGUI and force it to 1:1. I will also make sure the output is RAW AVC. I've tried so many things I loose track sometimes.

Thanks again, I'll report back when I have a chance to investigate.

rcubed

[mikiem]

X264 encoded AVC used to have a problem with the compliance checking in DVDA, but checking the reference it seems the only problem now is the x264 video can't be interlaced:
https://sites.google.com/site/x264bluray/issues-with-certain-players

Sony's DVD/BD authoring app, DVDA, also doesn't like un-indexed streams, whether you're authoring DVD or BD -- it'll read/parse the file on import which can take a while for BD & can make for glitches later on in my experience. I generally convert .m2v to .mpg by running the file through a muxer [TMPGenc MPEG Tools] with no audio file, or doing the same thing using tsMuxeR with AVC to get an .m2ts file.

The video/audio encoder settings in project properties BTW is mainly for the stuff DVDA will encode, e.g. menus... the bit rate for example has no effect if DVDA is accepting the files as-is, nor will setting the bit rate etc. influence whether DVDA accepts a file as compliant.

[rcubed]

Hi,
Still having problem with Sony Architect Studio 5 ree-ncoding (transcoding) the file. There is no explanation as to why in the optimize setting. I can set the output bit rate the same as the MeGUI encoded rate, but still re-encode

Has anyone had any experience with Magix Pro 4 or 5. Only the 4 version has a trial version and limits the authoring to 3 min of source material, and limits what templates etc can be used. Makes it hard to evaluate it. It appears it re-encodes also. The output setting have no 23.976 fps option, only 24 and a Media Ifo check on the output indicates it did change it to 24 fps.

Thanks again,

added:
Is 23.976 actually officially allowed in the Blu-Ray spec.? The Wiki description does not show 23.976 only 30i (29.97i) or 24p The 23.976p seems to play ok with the DVD player, but it shows as 24.

poisondeathray:

Post your command line????


rcibed

[poisondeathray]

Post your command line.

1920x1080p23.976 x264 defintely works with DVDA Pro, should be the same for studio

[rcubed]

Post your command line.

1920x1080p23.976 x264 defintely works with DVDA Pro, should be the same for studio

I amended my earlier post. What do you mean by Post your command line specifically.

Yes I have been able to use 23.976p in DVDA. I'll have to check again with MediInfo what the output really was - if I remember correctly it was 23.976

Thanks,

rcubed

[poisondeathray]

If you use non compliant blu-ray settings, it will cause DVDA to re-encode it

Post the command line used by x264 (or post the megui log)

[rcubed]

If you use non compliant blu-ray settings, it will cause DVDA to re-encode it

Post the command line used by x264 (or post the megui log)

I reran the encode after updating Haali Matroska Splitter here's the log:

[Information] Log
-[Information] Versions
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:11:29 AM] MeGUI: 2308
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:11:29 AM] Operating System: Windows 7 x64 SP1 (6.1.65536.7601)
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:11:29 AM] .Net Framework: 4.0 (4.0.30319)
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:11:29 AM] AviSynth: 2.5.8.5 (12/21/2008 9:46:54 PM)
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:11:29 AM] AvisynthWrapper: 1/2/2009 8:34:04 PM
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:11:29 AM] Haali Matroska Splitter: 1.11.96.14 (3/3/2011 11:40:46 AM)
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:11:29 AM] Haali DSS2: 3/3/2011 11:37:50 AM
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:11:29 AM] ICSharpCode.SharpZipLib: 0.85.5.452 (8/7/2008 8:31:12 PM)
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:11:29 AM] LinqBridge: 1.0.0.0 (5/28/2009 1:24:34 AM)
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:11:29 AM] MediaInfo: 0.7.62.0 (2/22/2013 10:32:55 AM)
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:11:29 AM] MediaInfoWrapper: 0.7.61.0 (1/6/2013 2:47:15 PM)
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:11:29 AM] MessageBoxExLib: 1.0.2218.28317 (12/19/2008 8:53:04 PM)
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:11:29 AM] SevenZipSharp: 0.64.3890.29348 (1/2/2011 10:59:32 AM)
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:11:29 AM] 7z: 9.20 (11/18/2010 4:27:34 PM)
-[Information] Update detection
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:11:29 AM] Connecting to server: http://megui.org/auto/stable/
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:11:33 AM] All files are up to date
-[Information] AutoEncode job generation log
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:14:44 AM] Projected Bitrate : 21000kbps
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:14:44 AM] Split Size : null
--[Information] Eliminating duplicate filenames
---[Information] [4/5/2013 4:14:44 AM] Video output file: T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2.264
---[Information] [4/5/2013 4:14:44 AM] Muxed output file: T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2-muxed.mp4
---[Information] [4/5/2013 4:14:44 AM] Encodable audio stream 0: T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2.m4a
-[Information] Log for job1 (audio, PaulMpg4TFFShort.avs -> PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2.m4a)
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:15:00 AM] Started handling job
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:15:00 AM] Preprocessing
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:15:00 AM] Encoding started
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:15:00 AM] MediaInfo
---[Information] File: T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShort.avs
---[Information] AVS input file detected. Getting media information from AviSynth.
---[Information] General
----[Information] Format: AVS
----[Information] FormatString: AviSynth Script
----[Information] FileSize: 93
----[Information] PlayTime: 00:13:39.0680000
---[Information] Video
----[Information] ID: 0
----[Information] StreamOrder:
----[Information] Width: 1920
----[Information] Height: 1080
----[Information] FrameCount: 19638
----[Information] FrameRate: 23.976023976024
----[Information] FrameRateOriginal:
----[Information] FrameRateMode:
----[Information] ScanType: Progressive
----[Information] Codec: AVS Video
----[Information] CodecString: AVS
----[Information] Format: AVS
----[Information] AspectRatio: 16:9
----[Information] AspectRatioString:
----[Information] Delay: 0
----[Information] Title:
----[Information] Language:
----[Information] LanguageString:
----[Information] Default:
----[Information] DefaultString:
----[Information] Forced:
----[Information] ForcedString:
---[Information] Audio
----[Information] ID: 0
----[Information] StreamOrder:
----[Information] Format: AVS
----[Information] FormatProfile:
----[Information] FormatSettingsSBR:
----[Information] FormatSettingsPS:
----[Information] SamplingRate: 48000
----[Information] SamplingRateString: 48000
----[Information] Channels: 2
----[Information] ChannelsString: 2 channels
----[Information] ChannelPositionsString2:
----[Information] BitRateMode: CBR
----[Information] Delay: 0
----[Information] Title:
----[Information] Language:
----[Information] LanguageString:
----[Information] Default:
----[Information] DefaultString:
----[Information] Forced:
----[Information] ForcedString:
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:15:08 AM] Trying to open the file with Import()
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:15:15 AM] Successfully opened the file with Import()
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:15:15 AM] Avisynth script
---[NoImage] Import("T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShort.avs")
---[NoImage] Normalize()
---[NoImage] return last
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:15:15 AM] Commandline used: -ignorelength -lc -br 192000 -if - -of "{0}"
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:15:15 AM] Avisynth script environment opened
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:15:23 AM] Script loaded
--[Information] Output Decoder
---[Information] [4/5/2013 4:15:23 AM] Channels: 2
---[Information] [4/5/2013 4:15:23 AM] Bits per sample: 16
---[Information] [4/5/2013 4:15:23 AM] Sample rate: 48000
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:15:23 AM] Commandline: F:\ProgramFiles Win7 (x86)\MeGUI\tools\eac3to\neroAacEnc.exe -ignorelength -lc -br 192000 -if - -of "T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2.m4a"
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:15:23 AM] Encoder process started
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:15:45 AM] Output from encoder via stderr
---[NoImage] ************************************************** ***********
---[NoImage] * *
---[NoImage] * Nero AAC Encoder *
---[NoImage] * Copyright 2009 Nero AG *
---[NoImage] * All Rights Reserved Worldwide *
---[NoImage] * *
---[NoImage] * Package build date: Feb 18 2010 *
---[NoImage] * Package version: 1.5.4.0 *
---[NoImage] * *
---[NoImage] * See -help for a complete list of available parameters. *
---[NoImage] * *
---[NoImage] ************************************************** ***********
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:15:45 AM] MediaInfo
---[Information] File: T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2.m4a
---[Information] General
----[Information] Format: MPEG-4
----[Information] FormatString: MPEG-4
----[Information] FileSize: 19828354
----[Information] PlayTime: 00:13:39.136
---[Information] Audio
----[Information] ID: 1
----[Information] StreamOrder: 0
----[Information] Format: AAC
----[Information] FormatProfile: LC
----[Information] FormatSettingsSBR: No (Explicit)
----[Information] FormatSettingsPS:
----[Information] SamplingRate: 48000
----[Information] SamplingRateString: 48.0 KHz
----[Information] Channels: 2
----[Information] ChannelsString: 2 channels
----[Information] ChannelPositionsString2: 2/0/0
----[Information] BitRateMode: VBR
----[Information] Delay: 0
----[Information] Title:
----[Information] Language:
----[Information] LanguageString:
----[Information] Default:
----[Information] DefaultString:
----[Information] Forced:
----[Information] ForcedString:
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:15:45 AM] Postprocessing
---[Information] Deleting intermediate files
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:15:45 AM] Job completed
-[Information] Log for job2 (video, PaulMpg4TFFShort.avs -> )
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:15:45 AM] Started handling job
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:15:45 AM] Preprocessing
---[Information] Bitrate calculation for video
----[Information] [4/5/2013 4:15:53 AM] Desired size after subtracting audio: 2080298 KBs
----[Information] [4/5/2013 4:15:53 AM] Calculated desired bitrate: 20806 kbit/s
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:15:53 AM] Avisynth input script
---[NoImage] avisource("O:\Paul\Paul.avi")
---[NoImage] AssumeTFF
---[NoImage] ConvertToYV12()
---[NoImage] tfm().tdecimate()
---[NoImage] trim(363,20000)
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:16:01 AM] [Blu-ray]: target device selected
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:16:01 AM] [Blu-ray]: changing --keyint to 24
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:16:01 AM] Job commandline: "F:\ProgramFiles Win7 (x86)\MeGUI\tools\x264\avs4x264mod.exe" --level 4.1 --bluray-compat --pass 1 --bitrate 20806 --stats "T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2.stats" --keyint 24 --open-gop --b-adapt 2 --slices 4 --vbv-bufsize 30000 --vbv-maxrate 38000 --colorprim bt709 --transfer bt709 --colormatrix bt709 --sar 1:1 --output NUL "T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShort.avs"
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:16:01 AM] Encoding started
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:30:53 AM] Standard output stream
---[NoImage] avs [info]: AviSynth 2.58, buildec 22 2008 [08:46:51]
---[NoImage] avs [info]: Video colorspace: YV12
---[NoImage] avs [info]: Video resolution: 1920x1080
---[NoImage] avs [info]: Video framerate: 24000/1001
---[NoImage] avs [info]: Video framecount: 19638
---[NoImage] avs4x264 [info]: "x264_64" - --level 4.1 --bluray-compat --pass 1 --bitrate 20806 --stats "T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2.stats" --keyint 24 --open-gop --b-adapt 2 --slices 4 --vbv-bufsize 30000 --vbv-maxrate 38000 --colorprim bt709 --transfer bt709 --colormatrix bt709 --sar 1:1 --output NUL --frames 19638 --fps 24000/1001 --input-res 1920x1080 --input-csp i420
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:30:53 AM] Standard error stream
---[NoImage] raw [info]: 1920x1080p 1:1 @ 24000/1001 fps (cfr)
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: using SAR=1/1
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: using cpu capabilities: MMX2 SSE2Fast SSSE3 SSE4.2 AVX
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: profile Main, level 4.1
---[NoImage]
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: frame I:932 Avg QP:11.94 size:277108
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: frame P:6451 Avg QP:14.98 size:148483
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: frame B:12255 Avg QP:16.61 size: 72696
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: consecutive B-frames: 6.7% 15.9% 43.3% 34.1%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: mb I I16..4: 20.8% 0.0% 79.2%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: mb P I16..4: 39.4% 0.0% 0.0% P16..4: 52.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% skip: 8.6%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: mb B I16..4: 13.1% 0.0% 0.0% B16..8: 48.4% 0.0% 0.0% direct:20.2% skip:18.3% L0:27.9% L1:36.5% BI:35.5%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: final ratefactor: 14.75
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: coded y,uvDC,uvAC intra: 87.2% 78.8% 50.7% inter: 45.3% 35.3% 5.2%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: i16 v,h,dc,p: 21% 30% 38% 11%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: i4 v,h,dc,ddl,ddr,vr,hd,vl,hu: 25% 30% 11% 4% 6% 5% 6% 5% 7%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: i8c dc,h,v,p: 43% 29% 21% 7%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: Weighted P-Frames: Y:2.2% UV:1.4%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: kb/s:20579.65
---[NoImage] encoded 19638 frames, 22.25 fps, 20579.65 kb/s
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:30:53 AM] Postprocessing
---[Information] Deleting intermediate files
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:30:53 AM] Job completed
-[Information] Log for job3 (video, PaulMpg4TFFShort.avs -> PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2.264)
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:30:53 AM] Started handling job
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:30:53 AM] Preprocessing
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:30:53 AM] Avisynth input script
---[NoImage] avisource("O:\Paul\Paul.avi")
---[NoImage] AssumeTFF
---[NoImage] ConvertToYV12()
---[NoImage] tfm().tdecimate()
---[NoImage] trim(363,20000)
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:31:01 AM] [Blu-ray]: target device selected
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:31:01 AM] [Blu-ray]: changing --keyint to 24
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:31:01 AM] Job commandline: "F:\ProgramFiles Win7 (x86)\MeGUI\tools\x264\avs4x264mod.exe" --level 4.1 --bluray-compat --pass 2 --bitrate 20806 --stats "T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2.stats" --keyint 24 --open-gop --b-adapt 2 --slices 4 --vbv-bufsize 30000 --vbv-maxrate 38000 --colorprim bt709 --transfer bt709 --colormatrix bt709 --sar 1:1 --output "T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2.264" "T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShort.avs"
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:31:01 AM] Encoding started
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:51:01 AM] Standard output stream
---[NoImage] avs [info]: AviSynth 2.58, buildec 22 2008 [08:46:51]
---[NoImage] avs [info]: Video colorspace: YV12
---[NoImage] avs [info]: Video resolution: 1920x1080
---[NoImage] avs [info]: Video framerate: 24000/1001
---[NoImage] avs [info]: Video framecount: 19638
---[NoImage] avs4x264 [info]: "x264_64" - --level 4.1 --bluray-compat --pass 2 --bitrate 20806 --stats "T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2.stats" --keyint 24 --open-gop --b-adapt 2 --slices 4 --vbv-bufsize 30000 --vbv-maxrate 38000 --colorprim bt709 --transfer bt709 --colormatrix bt709 --sar 1:1 --output "T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2.264" --frames 19638 --fps 24000/1001 --input-res 1920x1080 --input-csp i420
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:51:01 AM] Standard error stream
---[NoImage] raw [info]: 1920x1080p 1:1 @ 24000/1001 fps (cfr)
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: using SAR=1/1
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: using cpu capabilities: MMX2 SSE2Fast SSSE3 SSE4.2 AVX
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: profile High, level 4.1
---[NoImage]
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: frame I:932 Avg QP:12.47 size:254875
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: frame P:6451 Avg QP:14.96 size:151008
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: frame B:12255 Avg QP:16.75 size: 74788
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: consecutive B-frames: 6.7% 15.9% 43.3% 34.1%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: mb I I16..4: 9.2% 79.6% 11.2%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: mb P I16..4: 2.2% 39.7% 4.1% P16..4: 19.6% 16.1% 9.2% 0.0% 0.0% skip: 9.3%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: mb B I16..4: 0.5% 8.8% 1.1% B16..8: 37.6% 17.1% 5.5% direct:11.6% skip:17.8% L0:32.1% L1:42.3% BI:25.6%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: 8x8 transform intra:84.6% inter:76.2%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: coded y,uvDC,uvAC intra: 89.5% 87.0% 67.1% inter: 45.3% 39.0% 7.1%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: i16 v,h,dc,p: 31% 22% 15% 32%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: i8 v,h,dc,ddl,ddr,vr,hd,vl,hu: 22% 26% 25% 2% 4% 4% 4% 4% 8%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: i4 v,h,dc,ddl,ddr,vr,hd,vl,hu: 24% 32% 11% 4% 6% 6% 7% 4% 7%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: i8c dc,h,v,p: 41% 30% 20% 8%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: Weighted P-Frames: Y:2.3% UV:1.4%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: ref P L0: 83.5% 14.7% 1.8%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: ref B L0: 97.8% 2.2%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: ref B L1: 88.9% 11.1%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: kb/s:20786.84
---[NoImage] encoded 19638 frames, 16.50 fps, 20786.84 kb/s
--[Information] Final statistics
---[Information] [4/5/2013 4:51:12 AM] Video Bitrate Desired: 20806 kbit/s
---[Information] [4/5/2013 4:51:12 AM] Video Bitrate Obtained (approximate): 20786 kbit/s
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:51:12 AM] MediaInfo
---[Information] File: T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2.264
---[Information] General
----[Information] Format: AVC
----[Information] FormatString: AVC
----[Information] FileSize: 2128230448
----[Information] PlayTime:
---[Information] Video
----[Information] ID:
----[Information] StreamOrder:
----[Information] Width: 1920
----[Information] Height: 1080
----[Information] FrameCount:
----[Information] FrameRate: 23.976
----[Information] FrameRateOriginal:
----[Information] FrameRateMode:
----[Information] ScanType: Progressive
----[Information] Codec: AVC
----[Information] CodecString: AVC
----[Information] Format: AVC
----[Information] AspectRatio: 1.778
----[Information] AspectRatioString: 16:9
----[Information] Delay:
----[Information] Title:
----[Information] Language:
----[Information] LanguageString:
----[Information] Default:
----[Information] DefaultString:
----[Information] Forced:
----[Information] ForcedString:
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:51:12 AM] Postprocessing
---[Information] Deleting intermediate files
----[Information] [4/5/2013 4:51:12 AM] Successfully deleted T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2.stats
----[Information] [4/5/2013 4:51:12 AM] Successfully deleted T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2.stats.mbtree
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:51:12 AM] Job completed
-[Information] Log for job8 (mux, PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2.264 -> PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2-muxed.mp4)
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:51:12 AM] Started handling job
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:51:12 AM] Preprocessing
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:51:12 AM] MediaInfo
---[Information] File: T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2.264
---[Information] General
----[Information] Format: AVC
----[Information] FormatString: AVC
----[Information] FileSize: 2128230448
----[Information] PlayTime:
---[Information] Video
----[Information] ID:
----[Information] StreamOrder:
----[Information] Width: 1920
----[Information] Height: 1080
----[Information] FrameCount:
----[Information] FrameRate: 23.976
----[Information] FrameRateOriginal:
----[Information] FrameRateMode:
----[Information] ScanType: Progressive
----[Information] Codec: AVC
----[Information] CodecString: AVC
----[Information] Format: AVC
----[Information] AspectRatio: 1.778
----[Information] AspectRatioString: 16:9
----[Information] Delay:
----[Information] Title:
----[Information] Language:
----[Information] LanguageString:
----[Information] Default:
----[Information] DefaultString:
----[Information] Forced:
----[Information] ForcedString:
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:51:12 AM] MediaInfo
---[Information] File: T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2.m4a
---[Information] General
----[Information] Format: MPEG-4
----[Information] FormatString: MPEG-4
----[Information] FileSize: 19828354
----[Information] PlayTime: 00:13:39.136
---[Information] Audio
----[Information] ID: 1
----[Information] StreamOrder: 0
----[Information] Format: AAC
----[Information] FormatProfile: LC
----[Information] FormatSettingsSBR: No (Explicit)
----[Information] FormatSettingsPS:
----[Information] SamplingRate: 48000
----[Information] SamplingRateString: 48.0 KHz
----[Information] Channels: 2
----[Information] ChannelsString: 2 channels
----[Information] ChannelPositionsString2: 2/0/0
----[Information] BitRateMode: VBR
----[Information] Delay: 0
----[Information] Title:
----[Information] Language:
----[Information] LanguageString:
----[Information] Default:
----[Information] DefaultString:
----[Information] Forced:
----[Information] ForcedString:
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:51:12 AM] Job commandline: "F:\ProgramFiles Win7 (x86)\MeGUI\tools\mp4box\mp4box.exe" -add "T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2.264#trackID=1:fps=23.976" -add "T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2.m4a#trackID=1" -tmp "T:\\Paul Mpeg4" -new "T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2-muxed.mp4"
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:51:12 AM] Muxing started
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:52:10 AM] Standard output stream
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:52:10 AM] Standard error stream
---[NoImage] AVC-H264 import - frame size 1920 x 1080 at 23.976 FPS
---[NoImage] AVC Import results: 19638 samples - Slices: 3728 I 25804 P 49020 B - 25295 SEI - 4 IDR
---[NoImage] Stream uses forward prediction - stream CTS offset: 2 frames
---[NoImage] OpenGOP detected - adjusting file brand
---[NoImage] IsoMedia import PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2.m4a - track ID 1 - Audio (SR 48000 - 2 channels)
---[NoImage] Saving T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2-muxed.mp4: 0.500 secs Interleaving
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:52:10 AM] MediaInfo
---[Information] File: T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2-muxed.mp4
---[Information] General
----[Information] Format: MPEG-4
----[Information] FormatString: MPEG-4
----[Information] FileSize: 2148274864
----[Information] PlayTime: 00:13:39.135
---[Information] Video
----[Information] ID: 1
----[Information] StreamOrder: 0
----[Information] Width: 1920
----[Information] Height: 1080
----[Information] FrameCount: 19638
----[Information] FrameRate: 23.976
----[Information] FrameRateOriginal:
----[Information] FrameRateMode: CFR
----[Information] ScanType: Progressive
----[Information] Codec: AVC
----[Information] CodecString: AVC
----[Information] Format: AVC
----[Information] AspectRatio: 1.778
----[Information] AspectRatioString: 16:9
----[Information] Delay: 0
----[Information] Title: 264#trackID=1:fps=23.976@GPAC0.5.1-DEV-rev4283
----[Information] Language:
----[Information] LanguageString:
----[Information] Default:
----[Information] DefaultString:
----[Information] Forced:
----[Information] ForcedString:
---[Information] Audio
----[Information] ID: 2
----[Information] StreamOrder: 1
----[Information] Format: AAC
----[Information] FormatProfile: LC
----[Information] FormatSettingsSBR: No (Explicit)
----[Information] FormatSettingsPS:
----[Information] SamplingRate: 48000
----[Information] SamplingRateString: 48.0 KHz
----[Information] Channels: 2
----[Information] ChannelsString: 2 channels
----[Information] ChannelPositionsString2: 2/0/0
----[Information] BitRateMode: VBR
----[Information] Delay: 0
----[Information] Title:
----[Information] Language:
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----[Information] Default:
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--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:52:10 AM] Postprocessing
---[Information] Deleting intermediate files
----[Information] [4/5/2013 4:52:11 AM] Successfully deleted T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2.264
----[Information] [4/5/2013 4:52:11 AM] Successfully deleted T:\Paul Mpeg4\PaulMpg4TFFShortbframes try 2.m4a
--[Information] [4/5/2013 4:52:11 AM] Job completed




I also noted after messing around in DVD Architect Studio 5 that there was a message about recompressing the video
here is the info from the Video 1 window. I did set the bit rate to correspond to the value reported by MediaInfo 20.8.

I'll copy the info, it is as follows:

Recompress:
Reason for required recompression
Media is not compliant with the disk format
24p encoding is not supportetd in this product
Recompress Settings
Video Format From Project
Use default bit rate Yes
Bit rate (Mbps) 20.8 (in light grey)
Aspect ratio From Project
Resolution From Project
Frame rate 23.976 progressive
Progressive Yes (in light grey)
Recompress
Shows whether video track will be recompressed or not.

Disc format: Blu-ray Disc
Video: AVC, 16:9, 1920x1080, 23.976 progressive
Audio: PCM Stereo, 16bit, 48,000 Hz

If I'm reading this properly it doesn't like something.

I assume you are using some form (or have experience with) Vegas? If so what one? What version would you recomment. The Vegas Pro $600 has a price tag a little higher that I would like but is doable. It looks like it might support what I want to do.

It seems like recompressing the video has to cause some degradation over using the video as outputted by MeGUI, not to mention the additional rendering time. I have the trial version of Vegas Pro 12, but haven't installed it yet. I hope it doesn't have any restrictions.

Any insights would be apprecaited. Thanks again for your time and effort, it seems like BR DVD authoring has a lot more twists and turns than DVD, a little difficult to get ones hands around.

rcubed

PS
Noticed you are from Canada. My sister moved up there back in the late 60s' to Calgary. I used to visit. I really enjoyed the Calgary Stampede and camping in YoHo (further west that Banff). My sister' husband has a brother in Field BC. He works for the RR and is quite quite a fisherman and a real character. - fond memories.

[vkmast]

I have the trial version of Vegas Pro 12, but haven't installed it yet. I hope it doesn't have any restrictions.

The 12 trial has a watermark now. According to the latest update of the related SCS KB document the SCS trials are fully functional for 15 days.

[poisondeathray]

Reason for required recompression
Media is not compliant with the disk format

Were you using blu-ray media? "blu-ray" means blu-ray media. If you are authoring HD content on DVD media, you need different, lower quality settings . The transfer rate of DVD media isn't has high as BD , you need lower bitrates, different VBV settings

Don't use AAC audio - it is not compatible and will be re-encoded. Use AC3

I assume you are using some form (or have experience with) Vegas? If so what one? What version would you recomment. The Vegas Pro $600 has a price tag a little higher that I would like but is doable. It looks like it might support what I want to do.

I've used vegas pro / dvda pro for years, but use Adobe now .

A quick seach shows the studio version of DVDA might have problems with 24p.

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/Forums/ShowMessage.asp?Forum=22&MessageID=843265

[rcubed]

Reason for required recompression
Media is not compliant with the disk format

Were you using blu-ray media? "blu-ray" means blu-ray media. If you are authoring HD content on DVD media, you need different, lower quality settings . The transfer rate of DVD media isn't has high as BD , you need lower bitrates, different VBV settings

Don't use AAC audio - it is not compatible and will be re-encoded. Use AC3

I assume you are using some form (or have experience with) Vegas? If so what one? What version would you recomment. The Vegas Pro $600 has a price tag a little higher that I would like but is doable. It looks like it might support what I want to do.

I've used vegas pro / dvda pro for years, but use Adobe now .

A quick seach shows the studio version of DVDA might have problems with 24p.

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/Forums/ShowMessage.asp?Forum=22&MessageID=843265

Yes, I am burning to single layer Blu-ray media RE at this stage until I get the kinks out (Verbatim, not the Lite series). Very interesting discussion in the thread you included. I hadn't run across that one in my searches. Looks like I'm not the only one that has had the problem. I agree about the Sony documentation.

My reason for getting into Blu-ray was to try to take advantage of captures with my Intensity Pro. As a foot note T/W's HD material leaves a lot to be desired in some cases. I haven't been able to pry out of them what they are doing with HD material. From the macro/micro blocks etc. I am suspecting they re-encode at significantly lower bit rate than what is really required for proper HD, and I think it may be channel dependent. I think their satellite feeds are all mp4 that they have to re-encode to mpeg-2.

I get the impression that 23.967p may not be supported by Blu-ray (or at least Sony products)? In your experience will Adobe or Sony Pro want to recompress to 24p or will one or the other accept 23.967p. If not I guess I'll have to convert to 24p. I have been able to produce a Blu-ray disk with TMPGenc at 23.876 and the Sony player I have handles it just fine. But their menu selection is not too appealing.

What format is Adobe expecting on input. mpg4, ts or m2ts, raw or some other?

Any reason why you switched from Sony to Adobe? Do either Vegas Pro or Adobe support some other audio stream that AC-3. What version of Adobe are you using?

Thanks again for the help and info.

rcubed

Thanks for replying and supplying the link, that certainly will stop me from pulling out what little hair I still have . I agree with the thread discussion that Sony is misleading in their specs (or at least vague).

[poisondeathray]

I get the impression that 23.967p may not be supported by Blu-ray (or at least Sony products)? In your experience will Adobe or Sony Pro want to recompress to 24p or will one or the other accept 23.967p. If not I guess I'll have to convert to 24p. I have been able to produce a Blu-ray disk with TMPGenc at 23.876 and the Sony player I have handles it just fine. But their menu selection is not too appealing.

Both 23.976p and 24.0p are supported by blu-ray specs. Both Encore (Adobe's authoring program) and DVDA Pro will accept x264 encoded streams and passthrough if the settings are compliant . DVDA pro will not accept interlaced streams encoded with x264 (there is a bug in the muxer)

What format is Adobe expecting on input. mpg4, ts or m2ts, raw or some other?

Always best to use elementary streams when authoring

Any reason why you switched from Sony to Adobe? Do either Vegas Pro or Adobe support some other audio stream that AC-3. What version of Adobe are you using?

I used both for a while. Biggest reason for switch is better integration with other Adobe tools like photoshop, after effects

AAC isn't supported in blu-ray spec. DTS varieties are, TrueHD, but AC3 is probably the most common for "homebrew" blu-ray

[rcubed]

poisondeathray,
Thanks very much for the insights. At least I can put the DVDA 5 behind me and get on with looking at some of the other packages. I'll give the Vegas Pro and Adobe a trial and see how they work out. Things can seem so confusing at times and I sometimes don't remember all the things I have tried (short term memory is going to h-ll with old age). The really bad thing is if I make notes I can't make sense of them later . I normally have used AC3 with all of my previous work with Std DVDs. With my hearing in the shape it is in I doubt if I could detect a difference between some of the "lossless" audio streams and AC3. A lot of the time I use headphones to listen to DVD audio so surround sound isn't going to help me one way or the other.

I appreciate your time and effort to straighten me out and offer enlightenment on several things. It will same me a lot of thrashing around and getting no where.

Thanks again,

rcubed

[rcubed]

Hi All,
Back again. I have started trying to work with Vegas DVD Architect Studio 6. With it I am able to take the raw output from MeGUI and import it into DVDAS and am able to produce a Blu-ray DVD w/o any rendering of the video. However when the DVD is viewed on the BR-DVD player the output is what I would call jerky. Two examples, one is when the camera is panning over a room with only stationary objects in it, the pan instead of being smooth looks like it hangs up and then pans and repeats the process. This effect is very noticeable.

Also in one scene there is a vehicle driving along a road as viewed from the side and above. The vehicle motion is also jerky. Moves a little, then hesitates, then moves........... again very noticeable.

If I do the same input source (xxxxxxx.264 into TMPGenc Authoring Studio 5 and produce a BR-DVD the panning, and vehicle motion are both smoother - very small amount of hesitation, not noticeable. It also is not re-rendering the video input. Only the menu items.

WTH (heck of course) is going on with Vegas DVDA? This one has me perplexed. The input to MeGUI is as described earlier in this thread. If anyone has a suggestions, info, recommendations please advise.

I though things were working out with Vegas Pro until I looked at the output.

Thanks again in advance for any insight, suggestions, etc.

rcubed

[poisondeathray]

Is this the pro version ?

Did you preview the ISO or on the computer before burning (is there some other problem with the editing?), does it play back smoothly on the computer or blu-ray software

Some older blu-ray players have problems with b-pyramid and open GOP , you can try disabling those options

able to produce a Blu-ray DVD w/o any rendering of the video. However when the DVD is viewed on the BR-DVD player the output is what I would call jerky.

Clarify when you say "Blu-ray DVD" , do you mean blu-ray or DVD media ? If it's DVD media, then you need different settings

[vkmast]

Back again. I have started trying to work with Vegas DVD Architect Studio 6.

Probably a typo there, but DVD Architect Studio 5.0 is the latest "Home Solution" whereas DVD Architect Pro 6.0 (included with Vegas Pro) is the latest "Professional Solution".

[rcubed]

Back again. I have started trying to work with Vegas DVD Architect Studio 6.

Probably a typo there, but DVD Architect Studio 5.0 is the latest "Home Solution" whereas DVD Architect Pro 6.0 (included with Vegas Pro) is the latest "Professional Solution".

Sorry not very clear on my part I am working with the trial version of Vegas Pro 12. The reason I tried Vegas Pro is that DV Architect Studio 5 always wants to re-encode the MeGUI mp4 (raw source). DVD Architect Pro 6 does not re-encode, but has the uneven playback of pans or motion (ie) vehicle moving horizontally.

I'll update the original post, thanks for the heads up. I've been looking into so many issues my head is spinning half the time.

rcubed

[rcubed]

Is this the pro version ?

Did you preview the ISO or on the computer before burning (is there some other problem with the editing?), does it play back smoothly on the computer or blu-ray software

Some older blu-ray players have problems with b-pyramid and open GOP , you can try disabling those options

able to produce a Blu-ray DVD w/o any rendering of the video. However when the DVD is viewed on the BR-DVD player the output is what I would call jerky.

Clarify when you say "Blu-ray DVD" , do you mean blu-ray or DVD media ? If it's DVD media, then you need different settings

poisondeathray,

I am (now) using the Trial Version of Sony Vegas Pro 12. I also down loaded and installed the DVDA Pro 6.0 program that goes with the "suite" to do the authoring. It's not included in the trial Vegas Pro 12 download package.

I am producing a BD-RE disk (single layer - 25G max). the player is a Samsung BD-E6500 their most recent.

I feed the same .h64 file into TMPGenc Authoring Works 5 and Vegas DVD Architect Pro 6 neither re-compresses the video stream only renders the menus. There is some time spent on the video file, but and order of magnitude increased time when either re-compresses the video. There are different visual results when the authored BR-DVD is played back on the same player. Both are burned to Verbatim BD-RE with ImgBurn. I always do a verify in ImgBurn when burning a DVD or BR-DVD.

The only difference is DVDA Pro produces an .iso file that can be burned directly while TMPGen produces a BR folder that ImgBurn is used to produce an .iso file that is then burned. I could try directly burning the TMPGenc directly to disk, but I trust ImgBurn to do the burn correctly.

I have not tried disabling b-pyramid. I will give it a try (may be a couple of days I have to do Income Taxes in the next couple of days). Again note the same .264 from MegGUi is used for both s/w programs.

In the three versions of MeGUI that I have tried 2308, 2331, 2341 one can't remove the chk mark in the Open GOP box (under GOP in the Size/Frame Type tab). This still continues to be a situation where no one has a suggestion to allow the tic mark to be removed. Any Suggestions? Again from what I have read it may only affect the reverse playback of the BR-DVD

As a side note I did go back and take the output from the AviSynth script with fast recompress to a temp file, and feed that into Vegas Studio Platinum Pro 12, produced an intermediate .mxf file and rendered that one in DVD Architect Pro 6 as AVC at the same bit rate as the .h264 file and although the detail it is not as sharp, the hesitation is a lot less noticeable. The Avisynth script is:

avisource ("O:\folder\file name.avi")
Assume TFF
ConvertToYUY2 #(convert to YV12 is used for the MegGUI case since it can'd do YUY2, I tried in Vegas to see if any color differences were noted)
tfm(), tdecimate()
trim(363,20000) #get only the 1st 14 min or so of the 1:43:00 movie for test purposes

I've found out the following:

If I force DVDA Pro to "recompress" the MegGUI .264 file the playback is comparable to that of TMPGenc.- no noticeable jerkiness etc.

If I do not force DVDA Pro to recompress - the jerkiness is present during playback.

The problem does not show up when TMPGenc is used to author the same .264 file.

Apparently there is something different from what TMPGenc and DVDA Pro do when the video file is not recompressed. I have no idea if it's something TMPGenc adds/changes or something different when DVDA Pro does a recompress.

As an experiment I tried forcing TFF on in the options MegGUI and fed that to DVDA with no recompress. The jerkiness is still present.

The Intensity Pro captures with the two fields interlaced TFF from a TV broadcast which is 59.94i. When I decimate the Intensity Pro file it results in 3 frames that still have two fields interlaced, and the 2 mixed field frames removed. (I may be expressing this poorly).

Should I be doing deinterlace processing on the file after decimation? If so could you explain how to do it? Or point me to a recommended reference/procedure. Could this be the essence of the problem?

But then why does the output from TMPGenc look ok, but DVDA Pro does not. There must be something different in the resultant outputs. Flags missing or not set or something like that? Again I'm not sufficiently knowledgeable to even speculate on what might be going on.

Again I'm beholding to any advice suggestions you could offer. Thanks in advance and for spending so much time helping me out.

rcubed

PS
Unfortunately the trial period on TMPGenc Authoring Works Suite Version 5 has expired - they don't allow a 30 day trial - bummer

[poisondeathray]

Sorry I don't know why. Your findings strongly suggest the problem is DVD Pro 6 . The last version I used was DVD Pro 5 before jumping ship , and I authored many 24p BD's without problems in that time

In megui, many of the profiles have values hardcoded in, thus you can't adjust them in the GUI. Go into the extra command line box (on the last tab I think) and find those entries (either delete or modify them)

This doesn't explain the authoring issue, but not sure why you are using the ConvertToYUY2 line ? If it's an uncompressed intensity capture, it will be YUY2 (422) already .

If the TV broadcast was a film source (e.g. theatrical movie, episodic drama/series), then most likely you are doing this correctly (inverse telecine with TFM.TDecimate). You should NOT be deinterlacing

[rcubed]

Sorry I don't know why. Your findings strongly suggest the problem is DVD Pro 6 . The last version I used was DVD Pro 5 before jumping ship , and I authored many 24p BD's without problems in that time

In megui, many of the profiles have values hardcoded in, thus you can't adjust them in the GUI. Go into the extra command line box (on the last tab I think) and find those entries (either delete or modify them)

This doesn't explain the authoring issue, but not sure why you are using the ConvertToYUY2 line ? If it's an uncompressed intensity capture, it will be YUY2 (422) already .

If the TV broadcast was a film source (e.g. theatrical movie, episodic drama/series), then most likely you are doing this correctly (inverse telecine with TFM.TDecimate). You should NOT be deinterlacing

poisondeathray,
That was my conclusion also, only the source code knows for sure what is going on. Yes most of the TV stuff is original film. From what I had read in various forums the way I am doing it is the correct way. Just wanted to check to be sure. I believe the output from Intensity is YUY, but a conversion is usually required to YV12 to make a lot of encoding packages happy. The HD-Mux will pass through 4 2 2 or 4 4 4. The differences if any are subtle. The Intensity Pro captures YUY with 4 2 2, so that may be the limiter.

I'll check the tab in MegGUI. Have to do taxes today and maybe tomorrow and........ (blah, I hate tax season).

I appreciate your help. I still have the trial version of Adobe to try next. We'll see what happens. Since I am feeding separate audio and video files to the authoring programs they must have to remux the audio and video which is probably where the time spent before the "construction" of the BR-DVD files begins. The one thing I liked in TMPGenc is they listed what frames had to be recompressed, I don't think there is such information available in DVDA (although I admit I haven't read the entire 100s of pages in the PDF file). I wonder if the difference is in the remux process.

Thanks again, I'll report back when I have a chance to try Adobe. Maybe it will be kinder. The thing about TMPGEnc is they limit you to a template they provide and it limits how you can chose to construct the menus. I wish the guys at DVD Lab Pro (Media Chance) had developed a BR version. DVDLP had some quirks but gave the user a lot of flexibility. Maybe they are still working on an unannounced version or decided it wasn't cost effective to do so or there are patient/copy right/license issues with Sony.

rcubed

[rcubed]

Hi,
It turns out the jerkiness/hesitation in DVDA are due to the b-pyramid setting in MeGUI. Apparently DVDA does not handle video encoded with the b-pyramid turned on correctly unless the video stream is recompressed. I disabled it and the jerkyness is gone.

Thanks to laserfan over at the Doom9 forums for suggesting this fix. It is strange that a product as expensive as Vega Pro 12 w DVDA Pro 6 does not handle this correctly.

Thanks to everyone for their help. I did turn in a trouble report to Sony Support and have heard nothing. A Google search on b-pyramid and DVD Architect will give other threads where this is discussed so it is apparently a known problem (bug) with the Sony product.

rcubed

[trevorjharris]

I understand you managed to get DVDA pro to accept X264 (megui) without re-rendering. Please can you tell me what your command line settings were. I have tried every combination of blu-ray compatable formats I can think of. Thanks Trevor.

[_Al_]

Is your source interlaced?
http://www.x264bluray.com/issues-with-certain-players

[trevorjharris]

No it is progresive 1920x1080p 23.976fps. I have followed all the blu-ray requirements as rules. This is an example of what I have tried

program --level 4.1 --bluray-compat --preset veryslow --tune film --pass 2 --bitrate 30000 --stats ".stats" --keyint 24 --open-gop --ref 4 --slices 4 --vbv-bufsize 30000 --vbv-maxrate 40000 --colorprim bt709 --transfer bt709 --colormatrix bt709 --sar 1:1 --output "output" "input"

By the way I am using DVD Architect Pro v6.0.

[poisondeathray]

Maybe something has changed in DVDA6 ?

For version 5, you should use closed GOPs, and no b-pyramid as well . Make sure you are outputing raw avc (no container)

[rcubed]

No it is progresive 1920x1080p 23.976fps. I have followed all the blu-ray requirements as rules. This is an example of what I have tried

program --level 4.1 --bluray-compat --preset veryslow --tune film --pass 2 --bitrate 30000 --stats ".stats" --keyint 24 --open-gop --ref 4 --slices 4 --vbv-bufsize 30000 --vbv-maxrate 40000 --colorprim bt709 --transfer bt709 --colormatrix bt709 --sar 1:1 --output "output" "input"

By the way I am using DVD Architect Pro v6.0.

trevor,
In the end I elected not to go with Sony and elected to use Adobe Encore CS6. Other than what has been discussed in the thread I am unable to supply any additional help, since I don't remember a lot of the details. I finally did get a response from Sony but it was long after I had chosen to go with Adobe, so much for Sony. It went in the trash bin along with the trial versions of the Sony product.

Looking back at the discussion the biggest issue was the b-pyramid being turned on in H264. I have always used MeGui to do the H264 encoding. Unless I do a cut and paste the chances of me being able to type in a cmd line version the same way twice in a row is null. In MeGui I simply saved the profile that I found to work.

Sorry I can't be of additional help.

rucbed