and you're assuming that my friend ever had any intention of buying a copy, you have no such evidence to support such a conclusion.Originally Posted by Supreme2k
preposterous!!! first of all how do you define "a small audience". second of all, the cable companies never said that only x amount of people can watch during a single purchased showing at a time. and third, it cost the cable companies no additional expense by multiple people viewing the fights in a public venue.Originally Posted by Supreme2k
the denial of suffrage and mandatory slavery were the law. the argument put forth by copyright proponents is that the law is the law and we must obey it, regardless of whether we like it or not. using that argument we can justify any form of civil rights denial so long as it is codified in law. once we open our eyes and realize that there are times that regardless of whether or not something is codified in our annals of law that it is ridiculous for us to obey then we can move onto the next step in formulating laws that benefit the greatest number of people, not just the special interests.Originally Posted by Supreme2k
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Originally Posted by disturbed1
Originally Posted by disturbed1
Originally Posted by disturbed1
how about a little closer to home:
http://www.sodomylaws.org/
quote: "Statute: 18.2-361, Crimes Against Nature. Unconstitutional under Lawrence v. Texas. Virginia continues to arrest and prosecute under this law."
quote: "or carnally knows any male or female person by the anus or by or with the mouth, or voluntarily submits to such carnal knowledge, he or she shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony, except as provided in subsection B."
since you feel that "Law is the law" and that "It has no bearing if you agree or disagree with a law" i hope that one day you are caught getting a blow job in virginia (and for added irony by a girl named virginia, who happens to be a virgin) and get sentenced to 5 years in the slammer, getting slammed by a guy named virgil, which ironically enough would constitute another felony and entitle you to another 5 year sentence.
how wonderful would that be?
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Originally Posted by jagabo
furthermore if you read up on the agreement you site you will note that not all countries have accepted all the rules of the convention if they didn't like what it has to say, i suggest you read up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works
furthermore, unlike in the u.s. where some might make the ridiculous argument that our duly elected officials speak for us and that somehow we are obligated to adhere to agreements made by them on our behalf regardless of whether we agree with the terms or not, the chinese have no such representation, their government doesn't speak for them, it oppresses them and violently silences dissidents, opposition and protesters.
it's idiotic to expect a chinese citizen to be bound by our copyright laws, under a treaty formulated before they were born and before the current communist regime took power, and ratified by a governing body that has shown it could care less about it's citizens. -
I don't know how the music industry calculates it's "losses" but I hope it's not on the fundamentally wrong assumption that everything that is shared otherwise would have been bought or paid for. Personally I wouldn't buy even 5% of that.
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Can we keep the thread on topic? This has nothing to do with cars or driving or traffic laws. This is pertaining to copyright and technology and nothing else.
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deadrats,
I'm only going to respond to one of your points because the rest is a diatribe.
Re:Viewing PPV in a Public Place
All cable/satelitte companies have had a policy where you have to get a commercial viewing license in order to show a presentation outside of a home, the fee is based on occupancy.
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Originally Posted by MOVIEGEEK
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My issue with the recording industry: Originally, I purchased albums; then some 8-Track tapes; then cassette tapes - and finally CDs. Many are duplicates of music in updated format. If they're so gung-ho about going after someone over mp3 downloads, why couldn't they have provided me with an updated format (in exchange for the outgoing one) of the music that I had already purchased? In retrospect: I have four versions of several different albums - spending who knows what to maintain my standard of listening.
These guys may be hurting themselves: I have, on occasion, downloaded an mp3 for the purpose of listening to it. If I like the song (and I have), I have purchased the CD. Would that constitute piracy? Yes, at the first moment the mp3 was downloaded - but, after I purchased the CD I would have the right to own a digital copy. BUT: Would I have the right to possess the original digital copy that I did not rip and encode?
I'm in the camp with Janis Ian on this one: Look to the artist who wrote and recorded the music. If the artist wishes to release their music freely, so all can hear - No copyright laws are broken.
I think the recording industry is going a bit long on the thing: 99 years (after the song was recorded) on pursuing a copyright infringement. If they are no longer paying the original artist royalties, they should back off. If the original artist isn't getting the majority of the "settlements" (I bet the attorneys are getting the Lion's share) paid - back off.
$2 Million for 24 songs. Never forget Kazaa is a peer-to-peer network. It uploads (unless you know how to stop it) whatever is on your machine, in your music (or video, or photo) folders. This woman COULD HAVE had legally (likely not) ripped music on her hard drive, and kazaa would still distribute it - likely without her knowing.
If your machine is connected to the internet, Limewire (or kazaa or bearshare, etc.) is sharing the contents of your hard disc - to include your copies of music CDs that you ripped for your portable device WHILE YOU ARE NOT HOME, SAY, AT WORK: Have you purposely broken the copyright laws, or are you merely stupid for not shutting the program (and the machine) down?
There are tons of scenarios for this crap. Automatically assuming someone is attempting to perform an illegal act may not be the correct path.
Yep, I wish Adam were here: He'd put a nice spin on it for everyone!;/ l ,[____], Its a Jeep thing,
l---L---o||||||o- you wouldn't understand.
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some more copyright gone insane examples:
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/06/ascap-wants-be-paid-
quote: "ASCAP (the same folks who went after Girl Scouts for singing around a campfire) appears to believe that every time your musical ringtone rings in public, you're violating copyright law by "publicly performing" it without a license. At least that's the import of a brief [2.5mb PDF] it filed in ASCAP's court battle with mobile phone giant AT&T."
http://www.brandnamebullies.com/excerpts.html
quote: "ASCAP Stops the Girl Scouts from Singing around the Campfire
You may think that it's O.K. for little campers to sing "Happy Birthday" and "Row, Row, Row" around the campfire for free, without asking for permission. But in fact, you may have to pay a license to a licensing society known as ASCAP. ASCAP, the American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers, is a performance rights body that licenses copyrighted works for non-dramatic public performances. It then distributes royalties collected from those performances and channels them to the appropriate composers, authors and publishers. The system is intended as a way to assure that creators receive monies for the public performances of their works.....even some campfire songs.
In 1996, ASCAP decided that that since hotels, restaurants, funeral homes and resorts pay for the right to "perform" recorded music, and since many summer camps resemble resorts, why shouldn't they pay too? Under copyright law, a public performance occurs "where a substantial number of persons outside of a normal circle of a family and its social acquaintances is gathered." Like a summer camp.
After reportedly opening its negotiations with the American Camping Association with an offer of $1,200 per season per camp, ASCAP eventually settled on an average annual fee of $257. But once ASCAP's plan went public, and people learned that the Girl Scouts were among the 288 camps being dunned, the group beat a hasty and embarrassed retreat."
oh well, i guess the "law is the law" and we must obey whether we like it or not, -
The moral of the story should be to make sure you invest in a good lawyer to avoid being on the wrong side of a judgement. No matter how right one might be, it can be construed as being wrong just as people argue with deadrats illustrations.
While I think the music industry position is ridiculous, I would recommend anyone targetted by RIAA to attempt to settle. Their lawyers have too many resources and are looking too much to make a statement, and the law is on their side.... -
i'm so sorry that any music fan anywhere is ever made to feel bad for making the effort to listen to music.
the riaa needs to be disbanded.
moby
http://www.moby.com/journal/2009-06-20/riaa-have-sued-jammie-thomas-rasset-minn.htmlDepends what the definition of the word inhale is. -
Originally Posted by deadrats
The Constitution guarantees basic human rights, not mp3 downloads. that's why suffrage and slavery were reprehensible and copyright laws are just a minor inconvenience (for some).
You will NEVER get every citizen to sign agreements of that magnitude. That is why most countries have elected officials or representatives to carry out their best interests. But of course, that's WAY off topic and political to boot.
Originally Posted by classfour
Originally Posted by classfour
Originally Posted by classfour
Originally Posted by classfour
Originally Posted by classfour
Originally Posted by classfour
This is my perfect Limewire example:
You pick up a skeezy, female drifter and take her home so that she will do things for/to you. You leave her there while you go to work and tell her "Whatever you want to do while I'm gone, do it. I won't be here to stop you." She starts a brothel at your house while you are gone. You are still (at least partially) responsible and at fault.
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Originally Posted by Gregg
The good news is Jammie Thomas may never have to pay anything:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10269251-93.html?
a decision by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco could enable her to walk away from the debt, several legal experts said
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