Oh no. It's the "FBI Warning" again. I just shit my pants. Give me a few minutes to stop shaking.Originally Posted by ROF
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Originally Posted by dvdguy4
But as you've noticed yourself - these people like ROF, clearly a MPAA or MPAA-related employees, they have suddenly popped in past year or two here and on other boards, they come and wreck many threads with their f***ing witchhunts on pirates.
Even Adam The Lawyer admits to this 'guilt' and he's not seeing anything morally wrong with it either, while obviously being a lawyer he wouldn't do it if there were any risks of being really prosecuted for such trivial things as making backup of your paid-for movie.
I understand that some people may have different opinion than me, and they may believe that copying artists digital works on a CD is morally OK, while copying artist's digital work on a DVD is morally not OK, everyone is entitled to his/her opinion and belief.
But it does not mean that such person must come to board like this and tell everyone else that he is better than many of us in his opinion, because according to his morals we are "pirates". He tries to back his opinion with law often, but he clearly don't understand fundamental law of all laws: innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. Since no one has ever been prosecuted for backing up his legally owned DVD, this subject should have never cropped up nor being brought up for discussion., and calling me a "pirate" (and adam and others who admit of backing up their movies) should have been outright, without questioning, treated as insulting a member of this board.
Thats my grief to Moderators here actually.
It is unfortunate, but perhaps really it should be another forbidden subject on this forum, as someone already proposed earlier.
Or lets make a separate "Law and politics" section where ROF and his supporters could discuss it as much as they want if Admin and Mods don't feel like to kick him out of here. No matter what, but something should be done, really. Its too much. I really had enough.
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Originally Posted by dvdguy4
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With so many comparisons being made about various crimes, I was reminded of something, so I searched for it. Hope Adam doesn't get bent if he thinks it's irrelevant, just having a conversation here.
"Criminal offenses can be broken down into two general categories- malum in se and malum prohibitum. The distinction between malum in se and malum prohibitum offenses is best characterized as follows: a malum in se offense is 'naturally evil as adjudged by the sense of a civilized community', whereas a malum prohibitum offense is wrong only because a state makes it so."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malum_prohibitumPull! Bang! Darn!
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I've been reading through the thread and a few things are clear. There are obviously several camps here when it comes to the subject of DVD Copying.
The its wrong camp and the its okay camp. This is a moral decision and is upto the person. Its also not the type of subject matter that should be discussed on this board as it touches 100% LEGALLY speaking on the subject of Warez.
There is also the "I don't like the laws" vs. the "This is the way the law is" camps. What I see reading through is that the majority of the post are people complaining about the law, and the others clarifiying it as it stands. In many cases the ones who don't like the laws try to argue against them, and your personal opinion on the subject IS important however as the Explainers try to point out, it doesn't change the law.
What I'm saying is its an endless loop, explain the law, argue against it, point out the laws in more detail, explain against it again. In the end it has no actual effect on anything.
Its also WAY off topic from the start of the threads. WAY WAY offtopic. In the way of natual converstation I understand that topics can drift but lets realize how far we have drifted. Lets look at the subject line one more time.
I'm gonna do two things now. 1) go ahead and lock the thread its lived out its life. Whats to be said has been said. and 2) Leave you with some words from adam from earlier that if you did not read should likely be reread. Because its important to realize that the current laws DO basicly trump the concept of fair use even if it seems in bad spirit of the concept of fair use.
Originally Posted by adam
I however am going to bed. If you do have a legit reason PM me and I'll reconsider on waking up.
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