What I meant was the title of your post is misleading. Regardless, I think you mean your first thread on July 9th, your third is something elseMy third thread on July 9 explained it. I was peeping thru a hole inside an ivory tower, after seeing so many valuable information and different valid opinions.
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Originally Posted by Bodysurf
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Originally Posted by lordsmurf
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. There is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is made in a thread the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress." http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Godwin's%20rule -
Well, times have changed since Godwin made up his 'rule'. Who cares about Nazis if theyre nothing more or less than, say, Vikings, or Holy Inquisition (or was it Saint Inquisition?) - just a bunch of bad dudes mentioned in a history. Not this generation anyway.
That DVD+R with DVD-ROM booksetting *again* used as argument here? Holy crap!
If standalone player's *laser* cant read DVD+R, it still won't read it even if you set its book-type to DVD-ROM or CDDA or whatever you want. Example: old Apex AD-600 (or 500) model.
If your standalone player can't read DVD+R as "DVD+R", but it will read it as a fake "DVD-ROM" then you just have a shitty firmware on this player, nothing more.
Hardware deficiency of one player cant be solved by simple book type setting LOL! -
Originally Posted by tompika
Let me try again. The DVD-R booktype, being made by the DVD Forum, is already as close to the DVD-ROM booktype as it can get. Changing it to DVD-ROM should not serve any other real function. I can only assume this is because the Forum has all the info they need.
Now, DVD+R, being rogue and all, may not have that info. DVD+R booktype is not as close, at least judging by compatibility issues, ESPECIALLY under the reasoning that DVD-ROM booktype fixed some issues (although altering booktype still does NOT make the DVD+R format more compatible than the DVD-R format, but it closes up a bit of the gap).Want my help? Ask here! (not via PM!)
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Originally Posted by DereX888
BTW check the DVD player section and you'll see reports that confirms that the AD-500/600 plays DVD+R with DVD-ROM book type.
lordsmurf: Sorry but from your explanations I take it you still have no clue what book type really is... "Being close to DVD-ROM book type"
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More like "I see your 10, and raise you 20"
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Originally Posted by lordsmurfYou stop me again whilst I'm walking and I'll cut your fv<king Jacob's off.
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Again, if you can do beter.... THEN DO IT..
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Just in case one does not find the glossary.
Booktype is an info in the lead-in section on every DVD disc that tells the player which kind of media is loaded so it can correctly choose the reading strategy.
DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW, DVD+R DL
Pressed medias have DVD-ROM booktype.
DVD-R's have DVD-R booktype, DVD-RW discs have DVD-RW booktype pre-written on them
PS: I don't give a **** which company wins I burn both kind
The DVD-R booktype, being made by the DVD Forum, is already as close to the DVD-ROM booktype as it can get.You stop me again whilst I'm walking and I'll cut your fv<king Jacob's off. -
NuTec and Nic Wilson (DVDInfoPRO) invented a kinda bitsetting for DVD-R/W by burning one more session on them.
It does not have much benefit but I seem to recall an Xbox owner who couldn't play DVD-R before.You stop me again whilst I'm walking and I'll cut your fv<king Jacob's off. -
Looking at the definition of Bitsetting in the Glossary, I only see mention of DVD-ROM, DVD+R and DVD+RW booktypes.
https://www.videohelp.com/glossary?B#BitSetting
I'd hazard a guess that DVD-R/RW wouldn't fit the DVD+R or DVD+RW booktype. With only one option left (unless the mods need to update the Glossary with more information for a complete definition), what is there to change on a DVD-R/RW?Nothing can stop me now, 'cause I don't care anymore. -
Originally Posted by ViRaL1
I have burned several DVD+R with DVD-R and DVD-RW booktype and DVD+RW with DVD-R and DVD-RW booktype and found only one notebook DVD ROM combo that refused to play DVD+RW burned as DVD-RYou stop me again whilst I'm walking and I'll cut your fv<king Jacob's off. -
I think it's really immaterial. Both formats have been around for long enough and are likely here to stay, unless they screw up in the future or are both replaced by an even better format such as TGPO +- or the like.
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I don't doubt that it can be done. I understand that by bitsetting a "+" you stand to gain compatibility with players that only recognize DVD-ROM. What I'm not understanding is what you gain by being able to set the book type on "-".
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Originally Posted by tompika
In contrast, the DVD+R booktype is so far different than DVD-ROM that changing it to something more similar allows the player to work better with the disc.
I don't see why you say this does not make sense.
Maybe this is not the way it is, but this is how it was explained to me by some firmware dabblers, and it makes very logical sense.Want my help? Ask here! (not via PM!)
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Originally Posted by ViRaL1Sam Ontario
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Originally Posted by lordsmurf
The first byte of the physical format information (the data that describes the basic physical properties of the disc) specifies the version number and disc category. The latter is also known as the book type. Example:
DVD-ROM disc category: 0000
DVD-R disc category: 0010
DVD-RW disc category: 0011
DVD+R disc category: 1010
DVD+RW disc category: 1001
So “bitsetting” a DVD+R to DVD-ROM means that instead of setting the disc category to 1010 you set all four bits to zeros. And saying that DVD-R book type is “close” to DVD-ROM book type is like saying a binary 1 is close to a binary 0, simply stupid.
So why does disc category/book type affect the compatibility then?
Well some “stupid” DVD players are programmed to only play certain disc categories. I.e. insert a disc with a disc category that it’s not programmed to play and it will refuse to play it without even trying. As DVD-R is an older format than DVD+R more old DVD players will naturally recognize the DVD-R disc category than the DVD+R disc category as they're programmed to do so. Some manufacturers have also refused to make their DVD players recognize the DVD+R format even long after the format’s introduction (e.g. Panasonic, Toshiba…) because of the so called format war. Setting the disc category/book type to DVD-ROM instead of DVD+R will in most cases fool these players to accept the disc.
Because there are a few players that only recognize the DVD-ROM book type and no other book types there are even some players that accept a DVD+R with DVD-ROM book type but not a DVD-R. But for various reasons the opposite can also be true for a few players. In both cases it affects very few players though and therefore the difference in compatibility between DVD-R and DVD+R with DVD-ROM book type is negligible and arguing about what’s more compatible will lead nowhere as no one can really prove anything. The quality of the disc, the used burner or even the software is more important for the compatibility than the format here imho. -
Well said JSL,
I see there are still those around who haven't tried "bit-setting" +R discs, despite the majority of burners now supporting this feature (hacked firmware or otherwise). It's been a long hard road convincing many of the undeniable benefit of the DVD-Rom book type. Rather than try burning one the shutters come up and silly arguments take place.
It will be interesting in the current situation of double-layer +R media and the DVD-Rom book being used as a widespread fix for players. After all 12 months ago no player could know of a DVD+R DL book-type. Simply bit-set to DVD-Rom and away it goes.
What pray tell can be done for DVD-R DL and a pre-written lead-in of that book-type. Me thinks Pio are in for a re-write of their much vaunted standards if and when such media materialises.
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16x DVD+R media to arrive in Sept....?
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