640 ac-3 for DVD

[chrchr]

You have failed the exam!!!
Well, Dts1536 for DVD, please?
Is anybody else out there listening?
Thank you!!!

[manono]

Ok. manono,

My ears are widly open...
I'm listening to your suggestion!

I'm still waiting for your suggestion!!!

To be honest, your attitude doesn't make me (or anyone else, I don't think) all that willing to help you. There are many retail DVDs with full bitrate DTS audio on them. Here's a partial list:

http://www.theimportforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=4

There are 3 kinds of DTS audio, and only one is good for DVD. If your source is some sort of an HD disc, it may be (probably is) the wrong kind. Also, you didn't say how you were trying to author it or what the error message was. My suggestion is to try and open it and the video in Muxman. If it's rejected immediately, it's probably the wrong kind of DTS audio. If the mux fails at some point, the video bitrate probably spikes too high. More information will be found in the Muxman log in the root of the C Drive.

[chrchr]

Ok. manono,

My ears are widly open...
I'm listening to your suggestion!

I'm still waiting for your suggestion!!!

To be honest, your attitude doesn't make me (or anyone else, I don't think) all that willing to help you. There are many retail DVDs with full bitrate DTS audio on them. Here's a partial list:

http://www.theimportforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=4

There are 3 kinds of DTS audio, and only one is good for DVD. If your source is some sort of an HD disc, it may be (probably is) the wrong kind. Also, you didn't say how you were trying to author it or what the error message was. My suggestion is to try and open it and the video in Muxman. If it's rejected immediately, it's probably the wrong kind of DTS audio. If the mux fails at some point, the video bitrate probably spikes too high. More information will be found in the Muxman log in the root of the C Drive.

Thank you manono for your good intentions.
But i'm tired (i don't know which is the time in U.S.A now) it's 4:20 o'clock in greece, it's windy, the temperature is 15 of Celsius, and i had a very boring time all the day.
I have just decided to stick with my 640 AC-3, and get better video quality.We say in greeceWhen you loose somewhere, you get it back somewhere else).
However, when i will change my mind, you will be the first one i send a PM.
There is nothing wrong with my attitude.Correct me if i'm wrong, please.(I don't want you and any of your "company" to be angree with me.)
All my best wishes
Thank you, again.

[guns1inger]

Actually, you have been a completely disagreeable arse. Your logic is faulty, and your attitude when told so is offensive. Despite your continued claims to the contrary, standards are fixed. That is why they are called standards. That you can make something work outside the standards does not change the standard, and the fact that your very small test group of players were happy with your disc doesn't prove anything other than the 5 players you have allow non-standard discs to play back.

[ron spencer]

I have just decided to stick with my 640 AC-3, and get better video quality.

Been drinking the Ouzo much at 4am?

If you choose 640 vs. 448 you will have less space for video...so no, if you use 640 video quality will suffer, not get better.

Have some more oil...

[chrchr]

Actually, you have been a completely disagreeable arse. Your logic is faulty, and your attitude when told so is offensive. Despite your continued claims to the contrary, standards are fixed. That is why they are called standards. That you can make something work outside the standards does not change the standard, and the fact that your very small test group of players were happy with your disc doesn't prove anything other than the 5 players you have allow non-standard discs to play back.

Are you telling me that i change the standards?
Are you telling me that you get another attitude than what you give?
Are you telling me that you speak german?
Erase all my posts my friend.
Don't worry!
BE HAPPY!!!

[lordsmurf]

1. You can't change standards.
2. My attitude is that truth, fact and logic need to prevail --- myth, misinformation and bullshit must die.
3. I read/write/speak several languages, actually.

But none of this is relevant.

640kbps AC3 is not a compliant audio spec for DVD-Video. Period. You cannot argue it.

[lordsmurf]

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I think hech had this thread pegged all along.

[chrchr]

Just DELETE

[chrchr]

I have just decided to stick with my 640 AC-3, and get better video quality.

Been drinking the Ouzo much at 4am?

If you choose 640 vs. 448 you will have less space for video...so no, if you use 640 video quality will suffer, not get better.

Have some more oil...

And you're very good informed, as i can see

[ron spencer]

DTS is aweful I hear.....I prefer 448 AC3 no ringing artefacts

[lordsmurf]

DTS is unrealistic, I find the dynamic range to be fictional compared to the real world.

AC3 can be flat, yes, but at least I don't have to keep turning the audio up and down, unable to hear one moment, and fearing deafness and blown speakers the next.

[raquete]

as technician for more than 35 years

Irrelevant. DVD-Video has not been around for 35 years, so you're not a DVD-Video technician. Automotive technician, maybe?

try yourself doing one 640k sample to your player and learn how to remove your own barriers posting what you never tested.

Irrelevant. 640kbps AC3 is out of the DVD-Video spec. I have several players/recorders here that would barf. They are strict to the specs, being Japanese models.

(...you're a good school-boy but bad scientist.. lol..the barriers came from what you read and are now in your brain, not in the players) ....... (no matter what 'papers' tell you,lectures don't give experience, nothing new is created following 'specifications'... my word as technician for 35 years)

If you really think this, then you're definitely NOT in the audio/video field. Standards exist for good reasons.

'write oppinions')

There is only one person writing opinions here, and it's not me, and it's not noahtuck.

If you want to make non-compliant DVDs for yourself, go for it. But don't pretend it's anything other than a non-compliant disc -- a pure gamble as to whether it can be played on players. I've seen this argument for SVCD-on-DVD, DVB-on-DVD, PAL re-flagged as NTSC, etc. It got old years ago.

"irrelevant" in your oppinion means that i know DVD players from the start and have experience with eletronics before DVD players are 'playing around'?!? lol, you're incredible, read what you wrote.

don't deserve more answers, your vague perception of what is happening around is unclever for yourself.

see some posts ago: was confirmed --> AC3 640k works!!!!

now i'll let you discussing with yourself as is completely clever that you don't understand anything about eletronics...or better, you know only what 'someone else' in some 'magazines' write and you read but
....your own experience = ZERO!
ah, last hint about compliance: when the player run AC3640k, he DON"T KNOW if is compliant or not ...i was thinking to ask you what means 'compliance' but i don't want to hear more 'oppinions', understand?

[raquete]

DTS is unrealistic, I find the dynamic range to be fictional compared to the real world.

AC3 can be flat, yes, but at least I don't have to keep turning the audio up and down, unable to hear one moment, and fearing deafness and blown speakers the next.

very nice,
need courage to write your first phrase as DTS defenders can 'swear dreams' about the format but i agree with you and i feel the same!

[chrchr]

Some people need holidays!
Rio, maybe?
Crete is also a beautiful place!

[Noahtuck]

was confirmed --> AC3 640k works!!!!

You were dropped on your head a lot as a small child weren't you....

[videopoo]

Unfortunately I can't legally copy the pages from THE DVD-VIDEO spec books but 640 AC3 is out of spec. I'm lookin at right now...

[chrchr]

Unfortunately I can't legally copy the pages from THE DVD-VIDEO spec books but 640 AC3 is out of spec. I'm lookin at right now...

Please,
Be my guest...

[Noahtuck]

was confirmed --> AC3 640k works!!!!

You were dropped on your head a lot as a small child weren't you....

Unfortunately I can't legally copy the pages from THE DVD-VIDEO spec books but 640 AC3 is out of spec. I'm lookin at right now...

Please,
Be my guest...

You guys grew up together huh......

[ron spencer]

Only Greece uses 640...like banking system there....all out of spec!!!

[chrchr]

"...like banking system there...."


A "good" Dvd player costs about 60 euros in greece.
If i understood well, you want to say that in U.S.A. is much cheaper!
Why you don't buy one, then? (30 dollars?)
and we would be friends?

Cheers!!!

[El Heggunte]

Let's be reasonable: if one encodes AC3 @ 640kbps @ 48kHz,
AND wraps it in a 1536kbps stereo WAV, and lets an external amplifier
decode the SPDIF stream, then both the DVD-Forum specs and the "outlaws"
will be pleased at the same time.

[Noahtuck]

Let's be reasonable: if one encodes AC3 @ 640kbps @ 48kHz,
AND wraps it in a 1536kbps stereo WAV, and lets an external amplifier
decode the SPDIF stream, then both the DVD-Forum specs and the "outlaws"
will be pleased at the same time.

LMAO!!

Run Forest, Run!!!!!!!!!

LOL!!

[chrchr]

Let's be reasonable: if one encodes AC3 @ 640kbps @ 48kHz,
AND wraps it in a 1536kbps stereo WAV, and lets an external amplifier
decode the SPDIF stream, then both the DVD-Forum specs and the "outlaws"
will be pleased at the same time.

Stop what you smoke
and eat more fish...,
please.

[ron spencer]

United States may be on the hook to rescue Greek banking system thanks to AIG bailout

What are YOU smoking???

no diff between 448 and 640 ac3 to ears...so use 448..in spec and save space!!!

who will bail you out for non-spec dvd? U.S. probably....

[El Heggunte]

Let's be reasonable: if one encodes AC3 @ 640kbps @ 48kHz,
AND wraps it in a 1536kbps stereo WAV, and lets an external amplifier
decode the SPDIF stream, then both the DVD-Forum specs and the "outlaws"
will be pleased at the same time.

Stop what you smoke
and eat more fish...,
please.

I don't smoke; tobacco, marijuana and crack are evil.
But seriously, have you ever tried to do what I suggested?
Not that it would be very practical, but it should work.
Think again: AC3 @ 640kbps does outperform DTS @ 1536kbps,
therefore, AC3 @ 1536kbps must be "heavenly".

[raquete]

Some people need holidays!
Rio, maybe?
Crete is also a beautiful place!

cool options!
i'm going to 'Porto Seguro/Bahia/Brazil" tomorrow soon. (it's true, magnific beach)

was confirmed --> AC3 640k works!!!!

You were dropped on your head a lot as a small child weren't you....

maybe...this is why i'm going to Porto Seguro to try to refresh from small child.

Only Greece uses 640...like banking system there....all out of spec!!!

then i don't go to Porto Seguro, i'll go to Greece... there the 'thing' works.

I don't smoke; tobacco, marijuana and crack are evil.
But seriously, have you ever tried to do what I suggested?
Not that it would be very practical, but it should work.
Think again: AC3 @ 640kbps does outperform DTS @ 1536kbps,
therefore, AC3 @ 1536kbps must be "heavenly".

great post, i really agree...a pity that you don't smoke, the phrases could be more interesting.


in the end i repeat(oh yes, one more time) :
without do tests nobody can deny that AC3 640k works!

[redwudz]

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