Dazzle Capture with Wins 10

[leachim]

I have Pinn Studio and Dazzle v.23.2.4

The dazzle is DVC100 and is black with a blue light on it

In the Dazzle programme I cannot get sound

S video and composite are connected to a Sony Digital8 camcorder dcr-trv265e and only work on the S-video input in Dazzle

Am I missing drivers ?

In Device manager the Audio driver is dated 04/25 for the DVC100

And the video driver is dated 10/20

Historically, I remember reading there could be a driver issue

Any help appreciated !

[jagabo]

Neither s-video nor composite video carries sound. You need to connect the audio outputs of the camcorder to the capture device.

[leachim]

Thanks

The composite cable has 3 connectors - the red and white I thought carried L & R sound....

[jagabo]

Yes, the red and white connectors are audio, the yellow connector composite video. You didn't mention connecting the red/white cables to the DVC100 previously.

[CaptureCraft]

dcr-trv265e doesn't have RCA connectors for component video and L/R audio.
You need a special A/V cable with 3.5 mm jack on one end and 3 RCA connectors on the other. It will carry those 3 signals.

[leachim]

dcr-trv265e doesn't have RCA connectors for component video and L/R audio.
You need a special A/V cable with 3.5 mm jack on one end and 3 RCA connectors on the other. It will carry those 3 signals.

I got this one ??

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0DMZNB9Y9

[CaptureCraft]

Yes, it looks like the right one.

[davexnet]

This is from the manual:

[leachim]

Yes, it looks like the right one.

So is it a driver issue ???

[leachim]

This is from the manual:

Yep, that is how I connected it !

Thanks

[jagabo]

Yes, it looks like the right one.

So is it a driver issue ???

No, not a driver issue. How are you determining there's no audio? There are two types of DV files, one with explicit video and audio streams, the other with a single stream that's marked as video but also includes the audio. Many programs don't see the audio in the second type and I suspect that is what you have. Which type you get is determined by the capture software.

[leachim]

Yes, it looks like the right one.

So is it a driver issue ???

No, not a driver issue. How are you determining there's no audio? There are two types of DV files, one with explicit video and audio streams, the other with a single stream that's marked as video but also includes the audio. Many programs don't see the audio in the second type and I suspect that is what you have. Which type you get is determined by the capture software.

Using the black dazzle, I can get a picture in Pinn Studio for Dazzle 23.2.4 and record it, but on playback on the computer there is no sound

The drop down menu to choose Composite or S-Video import only gets a signal on S-Video - even though only the white, red and yellow leads are connected to the camera and Dazzle ????

Here is the Audio input:


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[lordsmurf]

That's such a terrible capture card. Not suggested. Barely better than an Easycap (aka Easycrap).

[leachim]

That's such a terrible capture card. Not suggested. Barely better than an Easycap (aka Easycrap).

What do u recommend ?

[Sharc]

That's such a terrible capture card. Not suggested. Barely better than an Easycap (aka Easycrap).

What do u recommend ?

My 2 cents concerning currently available USB capture dongles - if you have to take the analog route for your DV camera:
The I-O DATA GV-USB2 is my preference. (Beware of fakes floating around).
The Hauppauge USB-live2 (former version with former drivers) used to be ok as well. Had some issues with its latest driver update though. Currently there is a new HW version of the USB-live2 with new drivers. As I don't have it I can't comment.
How to capture lossless YUV 4:2:2 using these devices has been discussed many times in this forum, do a search - I am just lazy to provide some links.
I can't help you with Pinnacle Studio.

Edit: Your sound issue, from the SONY manual:


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[Gary34]

The Pinnacle 510s are really nice but they also have different generations of that card. The chances of getting the right version on eBay aren’t great. The Pinnacle cards also have a DV bridge so you can use WinDV instead of Pinnacle Studios.

[lollo]

The Pinnacle 510s are really nice but they also have different generations of that card

There is absolutely no reason to buy a out of production card when you have modern cards performing better or equal, for example the cards mentioned by Sharc.
In addition, they work flawless with modern OS like Windows 10 and Windos 11.

[Gary34]

There is absolutely no reason to buy a out of production card when you have modern cards performing better or equal, for example the cards mentioned by Sharc.

The DV bridge to USB is a good reason. The recommended Pinnacle cards work well on windows 10 with Virtualdub if he is going to do an analog capture. A windows 7 PC can be found for really cheap anyways online.

[lollo]

It is an old card out of production, found used on the market. Buy a new card, that is better or at least equivalent in performances. For DV capture other solutions exist (although Pinnacle is nice for its USB output).

[Gary34]

Have you used a Pinnacle 510 and why do you think that those cards are equivalent?

[Sharc]

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[Alwyn]

Have you used a Pinnacle 510 and why do you think that those cards are equivalent?

Because the are.

GV-USB2 and Pinnacle 710-USB Comparison.

[Gary34]

The OP has a Dazzle DVC100 rather than a Pinnacle 510, no?

Yes OP has a Dazzle.

Because the are.

GV-USB2 and Pinnacle 710-USB Comparison.

For some reason PAL users seem to have better luck with that card than NTSC. Glad you like it though.

[lollo]

Have you used a Pinnacle 510 and why do you think that those cards are equivalent?

Of course, together with the 710 USB, the ATI 600 USB and many others

For some reason PAL users seem to have better luck with that card than NTSC.

This is just a legend created in purpose.

[Alwyn]

For some reason PAL users seem to have better luck with that card than NTSC. Glad you like it though.

What do you mean "better luck"? Have you actually done a comparison or are you simply repeating what you have been told?

The 710-USB I purchased from Lordsmurf has been a "bad luck" abomination from day 1. Drivers and getting it going was a nightmare on Win 10. And now three years later, it's working OK. Go figure.

[Gary34]

What do you mean "better luck"? Have you actually done a comparison or are you simply repeating what you have been told?

If I ever do a comparison I’ll post it. I only own a Pinnacle 510 and 710.

And now three years later, it's working OK. Go figure.

Good.

Because the are.

GV-USB2 and Pinnacle 710-USB Comparison.

To me the GV-USB2 one looks a little over saturated and the compression artifacts are distracting.

Regardless they are all better cards than the Dazzle and if he is doing DV a pinnacle would be a good option.

[lollo]

I only own a Pinnacle 510 and 710.

Then you should avoid to make suggestions and comparisons if you have no experience.
IIRC you come from a BlackMagic enviroment and switched to a Pinnacle, which is sound.
However, parroting false statements and biased opinions from digitalFaq (created to support owner's sale) is not nice here!

To me the GV-USB2 one looks a little over saturated and the compression artifacts are distracting.

There are many comparisons in the forums between IOData GV-USB, Hauppauge USB-Live and the rest of the world. Just look and carefully watch them (I myself posted a lot about that).

Regardless they are all better cards than the Dazzle and if he is doing DV a pinnacle would be a good option.

Nobody talked about DV, and suggesting the Pinnacle for analog capture nowdays is just a bad advice.

[Sharc]

Nobody talked about DV, and suggesting the Pinnacle for analog capture nowdays is just a bad advice.

The OP has a D8 camcorder with firewire (iLink) port but no firewire port on his laptop/PC. I understood Gary's proposal was to use the Pinnacle 510 as a bridge firewire->USB to transfer (copy) the video digitally, avoiding the analog S-video route. Kind of Pinnacle specialty as I understand it. May work with the right Pinnacle model+driver+OS, but I think it is a risky scenario compared to the analog capture route using currently available gear.

P.S. I hope this discussion has not scared the OP away

[lollo]

The OP has a D8 camcorder with firewire (iLink) port but no firewire port on his laptop/PC.

Sure, but OP never talked about capturing analog with DV workflow, he's using a Dazzle DVC100 so far.

I understood Gary's proposal was to use the Pinnacle 510 as a bridge firewire->USB to transfer (copy) the video digitally, avoiding the analog S-video route. Kind of Pinnacle specialty as I understand it.

That's a back-up "lower quality" option. In fact he was suggesting a Pinnacle for the analog route, and the DV route as a bonus. That's why I specified the better option to buy a card performing better or the same, new, working on Windows 11, and costing 1/4th of the price.

P.S. I hope this discussion has not scared the OP away

Yes. I hope he has now all the options to make his own choice.

[Gary34]

Then you should avoid to make suggestions and comparisons if you have no experience

You don’t own a recommended frame TBC and you give your input on the effectiveness of those based on other people’s experiences.

Lordsmurf could easily say the same thing you are saying to me about that card to you about frame TBCs.

Also I appreciate how polite Sharc is.