First up: copy-of-a-copy, or worse. At minimum, it's 3rd generation. The signal is so marginal that playing it back through the DMR-ES25 multiple times results in different frames being recovered/corrupted each time.
The HS-HD2000U has two S-Video outputs. The two files labelled "Play #1" were captured simultaneously from one playback of the tape, then "Play #2" another, etc.
The samples are all encoded with Ut Video, except for the Digital8 which is DV direct-stream-copy.
Later: more from this tape, another tape, and more devices.
Notes
Panasonic DMR-ES25
- Has flashes of partial black fields. Caused by inconsistent VSYNC detection, I guess.
Panasonic DMR-ES15
- Also has those black flashes, albeit not on the exact same fields despite being fed "exactly the same" signal.
Sony RGR-GX300 (a newcomer for me)
- Horrible horizontal jitter with this tape, and in other parts there is crazy-bad flagging.
JVC HM-DH5U
- Internal playback has flagging throughout most of the tape.
- External input has flagging too.
- When it can't cope with VSYNC, it often takes one field and interpolates it to fill the frame. When it gives up, it drops to black. Ex: frames 52, 74, 125 of the external capture; f20, 52, 74 of the internal. See attached JPG.
Sony DCR-TRV340
+ No flagging
+ No black flashes.
- There is vertical jitter.
- There are obvious DV compression issues at times, where the image breaks up into large blocky segments. These are mainly, but not exclusively, caused by recording stop-start and unrecorded portions. Weird glitch with Sony's encoder chip, or what? This artifact appears twice in Nth Gen clip 2.
Philips DVDR3575H
+ No flagging.
+ No black flashes.
- Horizontal correction in Nth Gen clip 1 is worse than DCR-TRV340.
- Drops to blue-back when it decides the signal is too low.
(Davideck, who I personally trust the most as a TBC sage, said that the 3575 beats the Toshiba RD-KX50, for whatever that's worth. He never tested the DMR-ES15.)
Panasonic DMR-E20 is closer to DVDR3575H than it is to DMR-ES15 or 25? Gonna have to compare more in other scenes...
- Color flicker in Nth Gen clip 2.
XCard (direct from VCR)
- Bad flagging throughout most of the tape.
- One or more "inserted" frames every few seconds.
- Horizontally unstable, throughout.
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Last edited by Brad; 22nd Jul 2021 at 19:19. Reason: Added Nth Gen clip 2; 2021 more formatting
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Of all the samples, the DCR-TRV340 seems to be the best. I have a DCR-TRV740. Never thought of using it as a pass through.
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Thanks for the tip on using Digital 8 camcorders as a line TBC pass-thrus. It works amazingly good but I wonder if it'll create audio video sync issues like the ADVC300 because I remember this camcorder did cause some audio video sync issues on some 8mm tapes captured through the DV jack of the camcorder. Hence I switched to CCD-TRVs Hi8 camcorders.
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Thanks for posting the samples. Using Type-1 in WinDV fixed audio sync issues I had.
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As promised, I've added another clip from this tape to post #1. Still more to come later. If you're interested in this comparison, add a comment so I know I should prioritize it.
Screenshots of some Digital8 AV→DV conversion artifacts:
Interpolation of field to fill frame.
Weirdness during recovery from unrecorded portion of tape (these are the separated fields). The green and magenta dots remind me of chroma siting diagrams.
I measured the blocks in this frame as being 32x24. No idea what that corresponds to.
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I found a big disadvantage using a camcorder as line TBC pass through. The RCA mini jack adapter produces a lot of background noise. Even though the picture quality is very good, the sound has noticeable background hiss.
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