converting a divx 23.97 to play on dvd player SMOOTHLY

[steverae]

Here Goes, chances are this has been asked on many forms on this forum but i'm asking everything i need at once.

Can you use 3:2 pulldown to convert a avi 23.976 to 29.97 fps MPEG1.

If not, how would you get this to play smoothly.

25fps play fine, 29.97 play fine. Most be XVCD format.

Use tmpgenc where ever possible

Thanks.

[shito]

I converted to VCD and using the NTSC (Film)-template, the 3:2-pulldown was activated by default. Movie is smooth as can be. I tried it with unchecking the pulldown and the result was jerky. So, I guess, for DVD it shoud be the same, no?

Greets
Konrad

Edit: Oops, just saw you´re going for (X)VCD anyways. Even better. 8)

[steverae]

Cheers for the info Shito,

However, after trawling through the forums i have found that pulldown only works with MPEG2 not MPEG1 which is what i use for XVCD's.

I need a quick way of fixing this problem. As i said b4, pal plays fine, ntsc play fine, it's only ntscfilm that slightly judders. This does not really effect the movie it's more annoying for me than anything.

I anyone else has any ideas, how to fix this, please leave a message...

[shito]

On second thought: after doing a little more testing, I think, the Inverse Telecine was checked by default. I deleted the file I processed, so I can´t recheck, but I´m pretty sure it was Inverse Telecine. I was really surprised to see this checked, so I unchecked it and got jerky video. When I checked it again and let TMPGEnc do its thing, the video was as smooth as it could be. Maybe do a small part of your movie with Inverse Telecine hooked, just to check? Sorry about my wrong posting above, I always get those things mixed up.

Konrad

[steverae]

Thanx for your quick response.

I have found a solution.

Using VirtualDUB, I can convert the 23.976 fps movie to 25 fps, then using besweet, stretch the sound to match then encode with tmpgenc as a pal 25fps movie. Problem solved.

[shito]

Yeah, I guess, that would be the right way if you´re going for PAL.

Greets
Konrad

[lsmadna]

Hello,
Where can I get the program "besweet" to stretch sound?
Do I have to save the sounds first as a Wav-file in Virtualdub?
Thanks

[puertorican138]

Do I have to save the sounds first as a Wav-file in Virtualdub?
Thanks

Yes, you save the audio file to an uncompressed WAV file first then you can open it into your audio editing program. :P

[steverae]

Hello lsmadna

Besweet is part of DVD2SVCD (from www.dvd2svcd.org) or you can get it seperately from www.digital-digest.com.

Use google to search for it. you'll also need the GUI from the same place.

Use the guide here.....

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/userguides/78178.php

Hope this helps. it did for me. no more problems and onlys takes a couple extra minutes of time.

[lsmadna]

Thanks 2u all

[lsmadna]

I've saved the audio (uncompressed) of a movie
Then I've saved the movie in VirtualDub from 23,976 to 25 fps
I opened Besweet to stretch the audio for 23,976 to 25 fps.
How do I start the streching of the audio in Besweet?
Is thsi the way to do things?

[VidGuy]

Just a thought - if you're encoding mpeg1 - just leave the video at 23.976 - that works for VCD and xVCD on most players. I don't know for sure if it works on a DVD (doubt it, though).

[lsmadna]

OK I will do that, but how do I stretch the wav to 25fps in BeSweet?

[steverae]

VidGuy,


I have found that okay DVD players will play 23.976fps movies, they tend to judder during high spreed pans of the screen. Thats the whole point of this exercise, to remove this problem by converting to 25fps.

Besweet has a GUI called BESWEETGUI. Get this from www.divx-digest.com and use this, they is a section that lets you chage from 23.967 to 25.000 fps.

Alternatively, you can use Cooledit and use the TIME/STRETCH option.

Hope this helps. Check out the HOWTO guide shown above.

[lsmadna]

OK, thanks but...
I use Tmpgenc.
1. I load the videocd Pal template
2. I load the avi (23,976fps)
3. I delete the audiosource (I keep it empty)
4. In advanced I use do not framerate
5. I encode the movie
IS THIS RIGHT???

I's used to CoolEdit but...
Where can I find the lenght of the movie in order to stretch the audio?
When that's done, how do I join the mpg and the audio again


When I use Besweet, what must be the input and output?
I can change things from 23,976 to 25 fps.
But what do I have to do to save things?

As you notice, I'm not very experienced in these things, but I have to know things, because many 23,976 and 29,970 fps-videocd's won't play smoothly on my home dvd-player [the shock a little bit, asif a frame was overplayed)
Or can these problems lay anywhere else, because the book says my dvdplayer can handle NTSC.

Mayby you can tell me how to convert a NTSC or NTSC-film to VCD that plays without shocking frames on a stand alone dvdplayer.
Thanks anyway.

[DEmberton]

OK, thanks but...
I use Tmpgenc.
1. I load the videocd Pal template
2. I load the avi (23,976fps)
3. I delete the audiosource (I keep it empty)
4. In advanced I use do not framerate
5. I encode the movie
IS THIS RIGHT???

Yes.

I's used to CoolEdit but...
Where can I find the lenght of the movie in order to stretch the audio?

TMPEng should show you the number of frames, from which you can calculate the length of audio.

When that's done, how do I join the mpg and the audio again

Use the simple MPEG tools in TMPEng to demultiplex, and then remultiplex.

When I use Besweet, what must be the input and output?

Don't know about Besweet, I use the timewarp function of Goldwave to do this.

As you notice, I'm not very experienced in these things, but I have to know things, because many 23,976 and 29,970 fps-videocd's won't play smoothly on my home dvd-player [the shock a little bit, asif a frame was overplayed)
Or can these problems lay anywhere else, because the book says my dvdplayer can handle NTSC.

Mayby you can tell me how to convert a NTSC or NTSC-film to VCD that plays without shocking frames on a stand alone dvdplayer.
Thanks anyway.

Not sure what the deal is with VCD, as I've only really worked with SVCD. I have downloaded a few NTSCFilm VCDs and they play really badly in my DVD player too, whereas NTSCFilm SVCDs play fine. If the pulldown process doesn't work with VCD (and I can see why it doesn't), then using the regular NTSC 30fps VCD template in TMPEng may make for less jerkiness on playback, but at a lower quality.

I take it your DVD player doesn't support SVCD?

Dave