protecting my vcd's

[jeex]

before you get ready to make fun of me, i know that copying them aint shit for people who know their asses from a hole in the ground.. i'm just looking to stop retards with easy cd creator and all that other junk of the like...

pretty much i just want to know if its okay to add a "dummy file" on the vcd, so that it would be overburned.. if so, where should i place it in the structure of the vcd?

thanks.

[jeex]

okay. i'm thinking that maybe i could append the actual video file to say "insert disc 2", append it enough so that they would have to overburn it in order to make a successful copy.. hey?

[Greg12]

u cannot protect a VCD and still make it compliant.


VCD does not support copy protection.

[sean madison]

oh man, LOL, god u got me crackin up, LMFAO!!

Hey, jeex, where did u get that animation from? lol

We got it runnin as the wallpaper up at the main pc in the library, everybody here is crackin up!

[bilbogod]

[jeex]

greg12,

okay. here's what i did.. i appended the video with a graphic (vcd compliant) saying "please insert disc 2" at the end of disc one, and "the end" on the end of discs 2, long enough so that it requires overburning... i also added some dummy audio tracks so that the disc appears to be 2.4gb.. all of the discs that i burned played just find in my Sanyo DWM-370.. so i'm guessing, the discs should work just fine in any other player that supports cd-r...

i would like to hear all of your thoughts on this...

mark


p.s.- sean, xxyxx always has the good stories with funny ass icons attatched to this, i made it my own =)
"masturbation, america's real favorite pasttime"

[Sean. madison]

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[Lafeber]

Sean, you are one complete sicko.

[whiskey29]

Jeex, I think with your method, I can still extract just the data file that i need and cut the unecessary stuf and turn it into vcd again.

[jeex]

whiskey,

of course you could do that.. but i'm trying to stop ezcd creator ********..

1) the disc is overburnt (the .dat file itself it over 800mb)
not only does this stop ezcd creator, but it will stop some cd-rw drives..
2) it has 8 dummy tracks on it, making it look like its 2.4gb
3) if they were to copy the .dat file they would have to know how to trim it down and then burn back in to vcd..

i know anyone who is determined enough to copy it will, but i'm just trying to stop or slow down easy copying..

[whiskey29]

Honestly then it actually make sense.
Will you us how to copy protect the cr, like adding the dummy files to make it looks like 2.4 gig and harder to copy right away ?

[jeex]

1) pad the mpeg file with 10mb files until you're over 800mb (ideally between 810 & 820, on my burner/media atleast).. i use tmpenc, mpeg tools, merge&cut... i have experienced no sync issues doing this..

2) use vcdimager and create your bin/cue from the padded mpeg

3) use winlock (http://www.cdmediaworld.com/cgi-bin/dlcmw.cgi?winlock!zip) to add the dummy tracks on the cue file.. which it puts in the toc, but does not actually burn dummy data.. track 1 is always the vcd, so no worries about it screwing up..

4) overburn the cd-r...

and you have a semi-protected cd-r.. the hurdles you have put in place are, first dummy tracks, this will confuse easy cd creator and it will fail.. (atleast 4.0x, i havent tested 5).. overburn, some cd-rw drives dont support overburn (mainly the one's the retards get with their manufactured computers, that conviently come with easy cd creator).. 3, if they are wiley enough to copy the .dat file to their computer, they would have to figure out how to cut out the padding...

i call this the "dummy retardo padding method"

[whiskey29]

Jeex,
Here are some question i have and i need you help in trying the
"dummy retardo padding method" :P

1. What kidn of files that you used to pad to the mpeg ?
2. is it just any files like dummy file or it has to be some kind of movie too ?
3. How did you use the tmpgenc to pad those dummy files ?
4. is the padding area at the beggining of at the end of the movie ?

5. You said pad it into 800 megs, do you use a 800mb cdr ?
6. because the most commercially available is the 700 one ?

Thanks dude

[jeex]

1) i created a bitmap in paint that says "please insert disc 2" to add at the end of disc 1 and one that says "the end" at the end of disc 2. i then recorded a 1 minute wav file saying "please insert disc 2" & "the end" for the according one (with an european accent, and some other neat effects with cool edit, heh).. which i then loaded up in to tmpgenc, and created a vcd compliant mpeg file.

2) with my method, it has to be a vcd compliant movie file

3) click file/mpeg tools/merge & cut/added the original movie, and then added enough "padder files" to make the total size of the finished mpeg between 810mb & 820mb

4) its at the end, cos it would be really annoying to have to fast forward through a bunch of crap..

5) yes, i said 800mb, when you burn a vcd, you are burning in mode1, which allows for up to 800mb (with 700mb/80min cd)

6) refer to #5

good luck.

[PoetaX]

I want to know how to do this copy protectition with a svcd cause i am trying to do it but when i try to watch it on my dvd player it looks small square at the left of the screen and tell me how to paddle I dont understand that method

PoetaX

[SJohn]

Why do you need to protect them? Do people have easy access to your vcd collection ? Just wondering......

[jeex]

poetax,

if you pad the file over 800mb, then it will require overburning.. a means of copy protection..

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sjohn,

because it would be illegal if someone copied my vcd's.. all my my vcd's are legal backups.. heh

[PoetaX]

I want to know if this copy protection works with svcd cause i can watch the svcd on my dvd player correctly

PoetaX

[bilbogod]

Jeex - Couple of things
What country do you reside in because if its the states (let me see u deny it ) I was just wondering how you can make legal backups. DECSS is illegal dude
Secondly, I used winlock the other day along with a please insert disk 2 bitmap convert to vcd compliancy that padded the disc to 810mb. Only one big prob. U can still copy and paste the dat file and I doubt that would stop any switched on person from dropping it into nero and overburning....
If anyone knows how to add errors to the file then please tell This can actually slow a program like Clonecd down to such an extent as to make it an unworkable proposition. How does a minimum of 8 hours sound ??? Laser constantly reading.....

To protect your VCD`s(They will only be playable in a standalone Player)

1) You need a burner that does Overburn
2) Say you have a 80 min CD, and a 700mb(70min 100% standard VCD) movie.
3) Pad the movie out(merge with tenc) with bullshit eg black screen, to for example to 1 gig to be sure (850-900megs should be enough)
4) Start up Nero- VCD- Standard add your new merged Mpg.
5) Overburn the CD........obviously nero will crash/stop with errors sometime after 80mins as this file is to big...no probs 8)
6) Put it in your standalone-for my Pioneer DV-715 plays 100 % ok
7) For testing/interest try to copy or play the dat file on your PC

Try it......for me it works

[bilbogod]

I was reading on cdfreaks website, of there being no documented case by the cd burning manufacturers of someone damaging their hardware by overburning. Afterall, the laser isn't hot...its class 1, that wont hurt a fly.
Out of interest, what does happen if u try to copy and paste the dat ?? Ultimately if any of these methods were effective they'd be implemented by the manufacturers, following one or two lawsuits from Phillips.

If you try to copy(windows explorer) or play the dat file(media player etc)
you will get an error. It is by no means uncopyable but for most computer users it is.

cheers

[vitualis]

Rather than screwing with the structure of the VCD how about creating a still menu that will pops up at the beginning and stays up for say 10 seconds that says:

This VCD was stolen from ...your name...



Then, create a kick-ass menu and chapter system so that turning off the PBC (or just copying the DAT file) severly reduces the "entertainment value" of the VCD).

Thus, the VCD can only be copied with with opening menu OR by someone who knows how to extract the disc image with VCDXRIP and reauthor the disc (who then would probably know how to copy just about any CD anyway).

Or, you could simply not lend your VCDs to anyone... 8)

Regards.

[sttroner]

I was wondering...

If you copied it first... why are you trying to forbid that somebody else copy your vcd?

Live a copy and let copy policy....



Rip it...
And
Keep it Burnin´

[bilbogod]

Simple:-

It can take 12 months to make a film

It can take 12 hours to copy and encode it

and

It can take under 12 minutes to burn it out.

Why let someone else have it easy.

[vitualis]

Why lend it to anyone?

Regards.

[jeex]

i'd like to update my method..

easy cd creator cannot do a direct cd to cd copy with this method.. that was the original program i was trying to stop.. i just conducted further testing with a friend who is selling cd-r's of movies.. copies failed through nero & cdrwin.. i'm guessing the only thing that could copy these discs would be clonecd, blindwrite and other "specialty" cd copying programs.. but i dunno. i havent tested them yet. i'm kinda lazy. heh